I said in another post that few things rattle my cage, but this irresponsibility does.

No one has ever said you can never do anything again with your lives. FFS

Grow up, get real and realise you have a dog that needs your attention and then AFTER you have helped Scorched and done all you can then think of bringing another pup in. It won't be forever, but neither will it be a few weeks from what has been written.

No wonder people question whether you care for your dogs!

Im assuming you havent seen this post as its in another thread but this next bit (in green) is a quote from shetland lover as regards to Scorcher



I have been in touch with our new vet who's refaird us to a behaviourist which is a female and given us some plug in's to help her for when we leave the house.

Hopefully this will help, If It doesnt work I have to pull out but for now until I see the behaviourist I will not be turning hte boy down.


I think both Shetland Lover and SC7639 are entitled to enjoy the prospect of getting another pup and hoping for the best but shes already made her intentions clear should Scorchers problems take more fixing.

 

You shouldn't have to justify yourself to anyone on here. Who cares how many animals you have as long as they all get the care, food, attention etc that they need. I would think twice about a puppy just until you get Scorcher a bit better but you shouldn't have to justify buying the new puppy. Some people can get very self-righteous. You obviously have a lot to deal with with the health problems and you should be getting more support than you're already getting that's just ridiculous.

 

I said in another post that few things rattle my cage, but this irresponsibility does.

No one has ever said you can never do anything again with your lives. FFS

Grow up, get real and realise you have a dog that needs your attention and then AFTER you have helped Scorched and done all you can then think of bringing another pup in. It won't be forever, but neither will it be a few weeks from what has been written.

No wonder people question whether you care for your dogs!

You may have not said that we can never do anything again but as long as scorcher is alive i don't think she will change. We have been working on her for years, she is getting better but then took a great step backwards this year becoming worse with her separation anxiety. I do hope that she gets better when she sees the behaviourist but i don't hold much hope.

'No wonder people question whether you care for dogs!' Where have we shown a lack of caring for our dogs, they have everything they need, are groomed well, loved, fed, get all the medical attention they need.

Keep your unfounded comments to yourself and leave us and our dogs alone.

 

I never said any dog is 100% perfect, nor that they should never get another dog. But not now - not until Scorcher has had all the help and they the problems have been sorted.

I would not sell a puppy to anyone knowing they had another dog that required a behaviourist. But they are not only getting another puppy, but will be keeping a puppy from the litter they are planning. Remedial behavioural help can take months if not years. They have a responsibility to the dogs they have NOW, one of which requires their attention and specialist help, and it is not a good time to get more. Puppies take a great deal of work - with all the other commitments as a carer and with Scorcher bringing another pup in now is not the right time.

I do have to agree that now is not the perfect time to get a puppy but is there ever a perfect time to introduce a puppy into a multi dog house hold but the opportunity that we have not sought out ourselves has come knocking and it is far too great an for us to pass on.

 

You may have not said that we can never do anything again but as long as scorcher is alive i don't think she will change. We have been working on her for years, she is getting better but then took a great step backwards this year becoming worse with her separation anxiety. I do hope that she gets better when she sees the behaviourist but i don't hold much hope.

Then deal with it as it comes.

If it means waiting till she goes to Rainbow Bridge then that is the responsibility you owe her. And yes, I do know people who have put their dog's needs before their own desires and put off bringing in new pups until the dog that had problems has gone to the Bridge!

Keep your unfounded comments to yourself and leave us and our dogs alone.

You can't post on a public forum (more information than is necessary IMO) where anyone is entitled to post and then not expect people to reply.

 

I do have to agree that now is not the perfect time to get a puppy but is there ever a perfect time to introduce a puppy into a multi dog house hold but the opportunity that we have not sought out ourselves has come knocking and it is far too great an for us to pass on.

No opportunity is too great to pass on - that is putting your own desires before the care of your dogs (in this case Scorcher). You are young, but I'm old enough to know that plenty of opportunities come along in life.

If you are prepared to put this opportunity before the help that Scorcher needs then I can have no respect for you.

 

You shouldn't have to justify yourself to anyone on here. Who cares how many animals you have as long as they all get the care, food, attention etc that they need. I would think twice about a puppy just until you get Scorcher a bit better but you shouldn't have to justify buying the new puppy. Some people can get very self-righteous. You obviously have a lot to deal with with the health problems and you should be getting more support than you're already getting that's just ridiculous.

I think some posters are maybe just offering Advise...As SL has said she's Caring for 2 people Full-Time and also as a Dog With problems she also has to cook for her Husband every 2 hours..And is getting a puppy as well..

I don't think I could cope with all that AND a new puppy as well..to me a new puppy needs alot of time and attention alone. Without all the other commitments.

Sorry if I'm speaking out of turn but I just think that is what most people are doing.

I also think that sometimes you can put too much personnal info on a forum about your Income, personal Circumstances etc And then when people comment they get knocked for it...As I said before people only know as much as you tell them.

I Do hope it all works out for SL But I do again think that the majority of people are offering advise..

As Nicky 10 as pointed SL has alot to deal with as it is....

x x x

 

Some people are offering advice but there's a difference between that and some of the posts on that other thread.

 

Then deal with it as it comes.

If it means waiting till she goes to Rainbow Bridge then that is the responsibility you owe her. And yes, I do know people who have put their dog's needs before their own desires and put off bringing in new pups until the dog that had problems has gone to the Bridge!

You can't post on a public forum (more information than is necessary IMO) where anyone is entitled to post and then not expect people to reply.

I have to agree Rocco.

I myself have wanted a puppy for YEARS! But i took on my rescue ESS in 2008 and he had problems/issues. I was doing constant research and pined for a puppy.

I finally got Leo the pup a few months ago! I waited until Ben was happy, healthy etc and his problems NEVER involved others dogs/animals and jealousy.

I just can not understand it myself, but there you go.

 

I do have to agree that now is not the perfect time to get a puppy but is there ever a perfect time to introduce a puppy into a multi dog house hold but the opportunity that we have not sought out ourselves has come knocking and it is far too great an for us to pass on.

If you yourselves agree that the time is not right for another pup then why not say no thankyou, not at this time to the breeder. I'm sure she is not twisting your arms.

Why not wait, enjoy the 2 Shelties you have, start showing them and get hands on experience rather than textbook and most importantly get the problem with Scorcher sorted first.

There will be many Sheltie pups over the next few years for you to choose from. Why not enjoy the show scene with these 2. It is you that always advises others not to breed unless their dogs are shown and successful or working so why not heed your own advice.

Scorcher needs you. Not just love and affection but expert help to work with you. You say it has become worse this (last) year......well a pup was bought in

 

Thank you for your opinion - it has been noted.

I have asked for this thread to be locked.....

 

Then deal with it as it comes.

If it means waiting till she goes to Rainbow Bridge then that is the responsibility you owe her. And yes, I do know people who have put their dog's needs before their own desires and put off bringing in new pups until the dog that had problems has gone to the Bridge!

You can't post on a public forum (more information than is necessary IMO) where anyone is entitled to post and then not expect people to reply.

We have been dealing with it as it comes, it's not like this is something new, she has been like this for months and tried all we can come up with to deal with her problems. It's not like she has problems with another dog coming into the house, it's more that she doesn't like shetlandlover give attention to any other animals. We are dealing with it by going to a behaviourist so i don't know what more we can do.

 

My worry is not about the number of dogs that SL has nor that she can care for them.
My worry is that when you start breeding, you do not want to land yourself with a whole lot of hangers-on, by running before you can walk and end up with a lot of dogs that are no good to any breeding program.
As Alaska has not had any pups yet, how can SL buy a dog to match those lines. Alaska had major surgery x 3 on a broken leg, is she going to be fit even to be a mother? In her position, I would like a lot of questions answered before I landed myself with a pup that may be totally unsuitable for my future breeding.

I do have to agree that now is not the perfect time to get a puppy but is there ever a perfect time to introduce a puppy into a multi dog house hold but the opportunity that we have not sought out ourselves has come knocking and it is far too great an for us to pass on.

Opportunities will always come along, breeders love to sell pups for breeding/ showing. Do not feel that this is your only chance. "Great" lines can change, what seems like a great opportunity one year may be "phew, a lucky escape" the next.

 

Thank you for your opinion - it has been noted.

I have asked for this thread to be locked.....

OK

You probably won't but you do seriously need to re-think everything.

 

No opportunity is too great to pass on - that is putting your own desires before the care of your dogs (in this case Scorcher). You are young, but I'm old enough to know that plenty of opportunities come along in life.

If you are prepared to put this opportunity before the help that Scorcher needs then I can have no respect for you.

We never said we were putting anything before scorcher, she is the very important to us and we are doing all we can to help her.

 

We have been dealing with it as it comes, it's not like this is something new, she has been like this for months and tried all we can come up with to deal with her problems. It's not like she has problems with another dog coming into the house, it's more that she doesn't like shetlandlover give attention to any other animals. We are dealing with it by going to a behaviourist so i don't know what more we can do.

How about dedicate both your times to HER. Rather than bring another puppy into the house to stress her out MORE when she gives attention to him!!!!!

As both of you know puppies need a lot of attention! So i feel extremely sorry for Scorcher. SL will have to give attention to this new pup which you know will seriously stress Scorcher out.

She is being pushed aside for selfish desires of you two.

You should both be thinking about the dogs you have now rather than even thinking of getting another until poor Scorcher is more sorted. Or like Rocco said bloody wait!!

I have been there and waited years for my puppy. Ben came first. The same as both of them would now always come before i went out on a whim and bought another puppy.

Scorcher is your dog now, the pup isn't yet. She needs you the pup doesn't.

There will be other litters of Tri Shelties that will suit you, there will only ever be ONE Scorcher.

 

Why do you actually want a new pup at this moment in time?

Is this a solely breeding litters matter?

 

I'm finding this all very confusing and I'm NOT having a go....I find myself saying that alot in this Thread

But If someone Called me a name on a Thread..I'd deal with it on the thread in Question...And forget it.

I Would'nt start ANOTHER Thread with the Title of the name they'd called me in the 1st place...You see the name they called you everytime you come on to Gen Chat.

It just brings it all back up again..I'd want to Sort it Deal with it and not see the name they'd called me in again...

Doe's that make sense????

 

I'm sorry, this is going to sound bad but I don't really know any other way to say it - you two need to grow up and get a grip. No offence but if you don't like getting other peoples opinions on your life then dont post a thread asking for them ? I'm sorry but what do you expect people to think? I have serious health issues too - my heart - this year alone i had a heart attack, my heart stopped for three minutes and as the weather has got steadily colder I have passed out randomly. The pain is horrible half the time and it means i don't sleep very well at all - hence being a night owl occasionally :lol:. They thought it was stress that makes it worse, but now they think it is cold too. They've been unable to find a medication I can take that I don't have an allergic reaction to and that actually works. I still work. I still have a pretty damn good life. I don't let it hold me back, i never will. Fair enough, I have no problems with people being on benefits if they cant find work ect but I fail to see why you feel your OH needs looking after 24/7 when ovbiously the authorities disagree? What would happen to your OH and mum when your dog has puppies that will need a hell of a lot of time and attention? You say you are so short of money, yet intend to breed, showing alot first - how do you expect to show your dogs if you can barely afford to live as you say ? If you don't show them then you shouldn't be breeding imo. Showing isn't cheap believe me. I'm sorry to say this, and I hope i'm wrong but the more you post the more things just don't add up for me . Apologies if you find this post offensive, but tbh I think you and your OH need a kick up the backside. x

 

I'm finding this all very confusing and I'm NOT having a go....I find myself saying that alot in this Thread

But If someone Called me a name on a Thread..I'd deal with it on the thread in Question...And forget it.

I Would'nt start ANOTHER Thread with the Title of the name they'd called me in the 1st place...You see the name they called you everytime you come on to Gen Chat.

It just brings it all back up again..I'd want to Sort it Deal with it and not see the name they'd called me in again...

Doe's that make sense????

I dont recall anyone calling anyone a doll doser on that other thread???

 

I'm obviously on ignore

 

How about dedicate both your times to HER. Rather than bring another puppy into the house to stress her out MORE when she gives attention to him!!!!!

As both of you know puppies need a lot of attention! So i feel extremely sorry for Scorcher. SL will have to give attention to this new pup which you know will seriously stress Scorcher out.

She is being pushed aside for selfish desires of you two.

You should both be thinking about the dogs you have now rather than even thinking of getting another until poor Scorcher is more sorted. Or like Rocco said bloody wait!!

I have been there and waited years for my puppy. Ben came first. The same as both of them would now always come before i went out on a whim and bought another puppy.

Scorcher is your dog now, the pup isn't yet. She needs you the pup doesn't.

There will be other litters of Tri Shelties that will suit you, there will only ever be ONE Scorcher.

Everyone seems to think that we are going to get a new puppy and push scorcher aside and ignore her but she can be around while we have the new puppy. We have enough time to spend with scorcher and a new puppy, i know that it will be hard but i think it will be doable.

I agree there will be more litters but not lots of other litters where we get the pick of the litter picked out for us as the most show potential pup.

I just wish we could go back and save scorcher from what has happened to us but we can't we're doing our best so please understand that.

 

I'm obviously on ignore

I think it's something to do with the colours in this litter or something, they will have trouble getting the same colours again. So yes, from what they've posted I think this is solely a breeding matter although i'm sure if i'm wrong they will say ?

 

Everyone seems to think that we are going to get a new puppy and push scorcher aside and ignore her but she can be around while we have the new puppy. We have enough time to spend with scorcher and a new puppy, i know that it will be hard but i think it will be doable.

I agree there will be more litters but not lots of other litters where we get the pick of the litter picked out for us as the most show potential pup.

I just wish we could go back and save scorcher from what has happened to us but we can't we're doing our best so please understand that.

Lets not forget enough time for Scorcher two sheltie's and a CKC and a new puppy and poor SL is a carer for two adults aswell...

 

Why do you actually want a new pup at this moment in time?

Is this a solely breeding litters matter?

Apparently showing then breeding.

I'm finding this all very confusing and I'm NOT having a go....I find myself saying that alot in this Thread

But If someone Called me a name on a Thread..I'd deal with it on the thread in Question...And forget it.

I Would'nt start ANOTHER Thread with the Title of the name they'd called me in the 1st place...You see the name they called you everytime you come on to Gen Chat.

It just brings it all back up again..I'd want to Sort it Deal with it and not see the name they'd called me in again...

Doe's that make sense????

No one called her/him/them a dole dosser!

I'm sorry, this is going to sound bad but I don't really know any other way to say it - you two need to grow up and get a grip. No offence but if you don't like getting other peoples opinions on your life then dont post a thread asking for them ? I'm sorry but what do you expect people to think? I have serious health issues too - my heart - this year alone i had a heart attack, my heart stopped for three minutes and as the weather has got steadily colder I have passed out randomly. The pain is horrible half the time and it means i don't sleep very well at all - hence being a night owl occasionally :lol:. They thought it was stress that makes it worse, but now they think it is cold too. They've been unable to find a medication I can take that I don't have an allergic reaction to and that actually works. I still work. I still have a pretty damn good life. I don't let it hold me back, i never will. Fair enough, I have no problems with people being on benefits if they cant find work ect but I fail to see why you feel your OH needs looking after 24/7 when ovbiously the authorities disagree? What would happen to your OH and mum when your dog has puppies that will need a hell of a lot of time and attention? You say you are so short of money, yet intend to breed, showing alot first - how do you expect to show your dogs if you can barely afford to live as you say ? If you don't show them then you shouldn't be breeding imo. Showing isn't cheap believe me. I'm sorry to say this, and I hope i'm wrong but the more you post the more things just don't add up for me . Apologies if you find this post offensive, but tbh I think you and your OH need a kick up the backside. x

Bloody good post! I 100% agree. Things definately do not add up and....................ahh i can not be arsed anymore!! I am going to bed with a cuppa and a cold wet flannel for my headache !!