[Guest]

But you seem to miss the point that shetlandlover posted earlier in this thread that the money for buying the dogs come from her birthday and Christmas money and my 21st bday money went on bills that we could barley afford. So if we want to have dogs budget to keep them, and go showing them with the aid of family at shows where it costs £1.50 per class at the Great Harwood Show. So your saying that even people on the dole shouldn't be able to afford £3 to enter an open dog show then.

she must of got alot of birthday and xmas money and 21st money went on bills that she could not afford.if she never bought dogs then she would of been able to pay bills

 

[Cockerpoo lover]

But you seem to miss the point that shetlandlover posted earlier in this thread that the money for buying the dogs come from her birthday and Christmas money and my 21st bday money went on bills that we could barley afford. So if we want to have dogs budget to keep them, and go showing them with the aid of family at shows where it costs £1.50 per class at the Great Harwood Show. So your saying that even people on the dole shouldn't be able to afford £3 to enter an open dog show then.

No-one is saying you can't have dogs on benefits.

What some of us are saying is the amount of dogs and getting a new pup and wanting to breed. All this is costly and whilst xmas/birthdays may pay for the actual dog what about the ongoing costs and vet bills etc...?

Also people were upset to think that Scorchers welfare was being put aside in favour of the new pup.

Why put yourself into a situation where you are struggling? why not live to your means and just make do with the 4/5 dogs that you already have?

 

[haeveymolly]

ok...she breeds and shows dogs,is that any different from the legions of long term unemployed who own cars,50 inch televisions and take spanish holidays every year?

Its exactly the same neither should they be doing that either, doesnt make it right that these 2 should be using benefit money like they are.

 

[harley bear]

But you seem to miss the point that shetlandlover posted earlier in this thread that the money for buying the dogs come from her birthday and Christmas money and my 21st bday money went on bills that we could barley afford. So if we want to have dogs budget to keep them, and go showing them with the aid of family at shows where it costs £1.50 per class at the Great Harwood Show. So your saying that even people on the dole shouldn't be able to afford £3 to enter an open dog show then.

I think the point is people on the dole shouldnt be breeding dogs full stop. Its not a matter of where the £3 is coming from to enter a competition.
Breeding is a choice not a need and it shouldnt be done with tax payers money.

 

[SC7639]

I know someone who did. Quite a nice dog and a reasonable handler but nothing spectacular. 1 or 2 shows every week to get his title including fuel and campsites ect £50,000

Bloody hell well we wont be able to spend even a small fraction of that on shows maybe one show that costs upto £25 to enter and mainly shows in our area there are like 5 between now and june i think.

 

[Cockerpoo lover]

ok...she breeds and shows dogs,is that any different from the legions of long term unemployed who own cars,50 inch televisions and take spanish holidays every year?

No it's not any different and they are just as bad too, to abuse money given to them to pay for necessities not luxuries.

 

[hawksport]

ok...she breeds and shows dogs,is that any different from the legions of long term unemployed who own cars,50 inch televisions and take spanish holidays every year?

If you can't afford petrol one week a car can stay on the drive. A dog wont wait untill you can afford a bag of food

 

[harley bear]

SL how many dogs do you own atm?

 

[SC7639]

No-one is saying you can't have dogs on benefits.

What some of us are saying is the amount of dogs and getting a new pup and wanting to breed. All this is costly and whilst xmas/birthdays may pay for the actual dog what about the ongoing costs and vet bills etc...?

Also people were upset to think that Scorchers welfare was being put aside in favour of the new pup.

Why put yourself into a situation where you are struggling? why not live to your means and just make do with the 4/5 dogs that you already have?

We're not putting scorchers welfare aside in favour of a new pup, even if we didn't get the pup now one day we'd be getting one and scorcher doesn't show any signs of going any time soon.

Because we can.

 

[SC7639]

If you can't afford petrol one week a car can stay on the drive. A dog wont wait untill you can afford a bag of food

Yes we know that we have plenty of food for our dogs and budget getting them food well in advance of them running out

 

[Happy Paws2]

Question?????????????????????

So you are employed and have a good job and own a dog.

Now if you loose your job, or you are now retired and are on a state pension are suppose to rehome your dog/s or just take them to the vets and have them killed.????????????????????????????????????????

 

[momentofmadness]

Bloody hell well we wont be able to spend even a small fraction of that on shows maybe one show that costs upto £25 to enter and mainly shows in our area there are like 5 between now and june i think.

There are some very serious breeders on this site..
And SL knows and they are in it to show their dogs and breed the best they can.. they know what they are talking about.. They have helped SL where they can. Only to have her and Other of this site slated on Facebook!

5 shows between now and June is not taking it seriously.. and the way the last threads have gone on its like someone is taking the michael.. especially as recently SL has been a person to jump on others about breeding..

I bet you guys really regret putting up about scorcher now.. but you see its opened people eyes.. and its only through your doing that people on here have the opinions they have!

I am afraid I do agree with the majority.. If you want to breed and show.. go and and get a job! You already have two Shelties a CKC and Scorcher.. And seriously its not cheap feeding dogs as I am sure you know.. and keeping them in tip top condition is equally as expensive..
SL painted a picture she was going to breed the Shelties she could worked it all out.. was going to Campaign these dogs.. But hello how long have you had the current Shelties and not even sought help for ring craft.. If not to get the dogs known just to give you the experience you obviously need!

You two have brought all of this on yourselves.. And I do not recall anyone calling you Doll dossers or Dole Dossers.. But TBO the way you describe yourselves!

 

[hawksport]

Question?????????????????????

So you are employed and have a good job and own a dog.

Now if you loose your job, or you are now retired and are on a state pension are suppose to rehome your dog/s or just take them to the vets and have them killed.????????????????????????????????????????

In that case you do what you can to get by. These are allready in that situation with nothing about to change

 

[momentofmadness]

SL how many dogs do you own atm?

They have 4 two shelties and one CKC and Scorcher

 

[Cockerpoo lover]

We're not putting scorchers welfare aside in favour of a new pup, even if we didn't get the pup now one day we'd be getting one and scorcher doesn't show any signs of going any time soon.

Because we can.

You may want to struggle but what about all your dogs welfare?

What if SL became sick and couldn't care for you both?

What if the government reduced your benefits?

What provisions have you made for all your dogs incase you or SL'S mum health became worse which meant that you couldn't be at home for example?

I'm sorry I don't accept your answer BECAUSE WE CAN I think you need to think about your lifestyle and disposable income.

 

[Guest]

Question?????????????????????

So you are employed and have a good job and own a dog.

Now if you loose your job, or you are now retired and are on a state pension are suppose to rehome your dog/s or just take them to the vets and have them killed.????????????????????????????????????????

state pension is not a benifit you worked and payed for it

 

[SC7639]

No it's not any different and they are just as bad too, to abuse money given to them to pay for necessities not luxuries.

It does go on necessities. A kid isn't a necessity but people still have them on benefits and getting a dog is like planning to have a child!

 

[ClaireLouise]

From what ive read on previous thread isnt breeding expensive????? and with all the risk and potential further cost I personally dont see how someone on benefits can afford to do its properly. IMO. We work full time and I KNOW we couldnt afford you have to live within your means

 

[harley bear]

They have 4 two shelties and one CKC and Scorcher

:scared: crikey and they want another pup!
We had 2 labs and hit VERY hard times and we couldnt the two. I honestly dont know how they can feed 4 dogs aqnd a pup and themselves on benrfits

BUT i hear disability pays well for some..... I know of a few people on disability benefit and live like royalty.

 

[Starlite]

Bloody hell well we wont be able to spend even a small fraction of that on shows maybe one show that costs upto £25 to enter and mainly shows in our area there are like 5 between now and june i think.

err have you never picked up a "Dog World" or "Our Dogs" newspaper??

Tonnes of upcoming shows at the back to enter and tells you how much it is to enter per class etc