It would depend what base colour your cream girl is and what she carries - what are her parents ? All boys from the mating will be creams though, self and colour point. All girls will be tortie in definitely blue, possibly lilac. Do you have caramel in BSH?

 

It would depend what base colour your cream girl is and what she carries - what are her parents ? All boys from the mating will be creams though, self and colour point. All girls will be tortie in definitely blue, possibly lilac. Do you have caramel in BSH?

Hello you seem quite experienced.. I have mated my BSH blue female with a Lilac stud what colour kittens would I be expecting?

 

Her parents were cream self dad and black tortie mother

 

In British Shorthairs we dont have a caramal colour, Not commonly anyay there is a fawn variety which is still fairly new. My boy by the way has a lilac mother and a cream father.

 

Do you know what base the Dad is? She is probably blue based but thats not definite. Is she quite a cool cream ? Chocolate based creams/reds are supposed to be brighter.

As the above then definitely cream boys, blue tortie (blue/cream) girls - maybe lilac tortie girls - all in self and colourpoint.

 

Do you know what base the Dad is? She is probably blue based but thats not definite. Is she quite a cool cream ? Chocolate based creams/reds are supposed to be brighter.

As the above then definitely cream boys, blue tortie (blue/cream) girls - maybe lilac tortie girls - all in self and colourpoint.

 

In British Shorthairs we dont have a caramal colour, Not commonly anyay there is a fawn variety which is still fairly new. My boy by the way has a lilac mother and a cream father.

So he definitely carries chocolate then, if your girl does then lilac torties are a possibility.

Are there cinnamon british then ? How lovely :001_tt1:

 

yes cinnamon and fawn. They are lovely and as I said still not that common in BSh. My girl is a apricoty cream not really pale but not too deep, certainly not a red looking cream, howver her litter mate was a red! I love predicting colours but it gets so confusing. Thought I had it all thought out last litter and was completely wrong got one colour i was exoecting, I mated my lilac tortie colourpoint to a choc self and got a creams self, a red self and a red colourpoint!

My cream girls mother is a black red tortie (grandparents were Black smoke and cream) her father a cream self whose dad was a lilac colourpoint and mother a blue cream.

 

saikou - what do you mean by colour base - is this a BSH thing cos a cream birman is just a dilute red? OOO, I'm excited there might be more gentics stuff to leanr

 

Dont think she will get any self females?

Wouldnt she get all cream males in self or cp

Blue cream or lilac tortie girls in self or cp

Cinnamons are gorgeous arent they

 

yes cinnamon and fawn. They are lovely and as I said still not that common in BSh. My girl is a apricoty cream not really pale but not too deep, certainly not a red looking cream, howver her litter mate was a red! I love predicting colours but it gets so confusing. Thought I had it all thought out last litter and was completely wrong got one colour i was exoecting, I mated my lilac tortie colourpoint to a choc self and got a creams self, a red self and a red colourpoint!

My cream girls mother is a black red tortie (grandparents were Black smoke and cream) her father a cream self whose dad was a lilac colourpoint and mother a blue cream.

I just googled, they look gorgeous. I think choccie BSH are lovely to, cinnys even better. Those colours look great with their lovely plush coats.

She definitely has a chance of carrying choc or being choc based then. Time will tell, if you get lilac torties then you will know at least she is a carrier. You would need to mate her to a choc to see what her base is. Any blue torties in that litter then she is definitely blue based, all lilac torties and she is choc/lilac based.

saikou - what do you mean by colour base - is this a BSH thing cos a cream birman is just a dilute red? OOO, I'm excited there might be more gentics stuff to leanr

No its the same for all cats. The O genes are a separate group of genes and are not a colour gene as such, they still have their main colour genes as well. So a red can either be black, choc or cinny based and a cream blue, lilac or fawn based. Its the base colour that helps you predict the colour of any any non red/cream kittens in the litter.

My cream point siamese is blue based, so breeds as a blue point, but with the O stuff thrown in.

 

Dont think she will get any self females?

self as in non colour point, but definitely all torties

 

self as in non colour point, but definitely all torties

I get ya now lol

 

All boys cream

All girls tortie (75% blue 25% lilac assuming the girl is blue based and that both carry chocolate which wasn't clear from what you said)

25% colourpoint (colours as above)

Liz

 

All boys cream

All girls tortie (75% blue 25% lilac assuming the girl is blue based and that both carry chocolate which wasn't clear from what you said)

25% colourpoint (colours as above)

Liz

 

My girls litter mate sister (a red self) had a litter consisting of a red colourpoint, a choc tortie, a lilac tortie and black and red tortie so am hopeful my girl will 2 carry lilac.

 

It will be a lovely pastel litter Very easy on the eye

 

All boys cream

All girls tortie (75% blue 25% lilac assuming the girl is blue based and that both carry chocolate which wasn't clear from what you said)

25% colourpoint (colours as above)

Liz

Sorry Liz if i wasnt clear in what i said but I am fairly new to this which is why im asking for advice. And as I have said in the past mother nature has thrown in some unexpected colours. My girl and boy both have lilac and choc in their pedigrees so time will tell if they both carry Im hopeful they do.

 

According to my colour chart you'd get cream boys and lilac-cream or blue-cream girls - with same colour combos in CP.

If boy has a lilac parent then he definitely carries lilac

 

You have your colour combinations confirmed 4 or 5 fold now Its handy that everyone agrees :thumbup: :smilewinkgrin:

 

so if you have a vcream girl how do you tell what base she is - just from the pedigrees.

For example, I'm getting blue tortie soon, if I put her to a red boy I'll get creams - how would I know what their base was? would it be blue cos of mum?

 

Yes thanks for all your replies much appreciated!! :smile5: I will hopefully be able to tell you for sure in March!

xx

 

How about some piccies wink wink

 

so if you have a vcream girl how do you tell what base she is - just from the pedigrees.

For example, I'm getting blue tortie soon, if I put her to a red boy I'll get creams - how would I know what their base was? would it be blue cos of mum?

You can either tell from the pedigree, or breeding. Its not always evident from the pedigree.

For instance my cream girl has a red Dad (who is chocolate based carrying dilute) and a blue tortie Mum who carries chocolate. Millie could either have been lilac or blue based impossible to tell from her parentage. First litter she was mated to a lilac and produced a blue tortie - ergo must be blue based. If she was lilac based all the girls would have been lilac.

A blue tortie mated to a red - the stud owner should be able to tell you what base he is and what colours he carries. You will only get creams from that mating if Dad also carries dilute.

 

so if you have a vcream girl how do you tell what base she is - just from the pedigrees.

For example, I'm getting blue tortie soon, if I put her to a red boy I'll get creams - how would I know what their base was? would it be blue cos of mum?

Yes - except that if Mum and Dad both carry chocolate you could also get lilac based.

Liz

 

how would you know? The stud i'm hoping to use (in a year or so) - does carry choc, and my girl hopefully will carry choc (will test her when I get her) as both mum and dad carry choc.

 

How would you know what ? I would ask the stud owner what base the stud is. Carrying choc could mean either he is chocolate based or that he is black based carrying chocolate. Is his pedigree online anywhere?

 

how would you know whether a cream girl out of those two parents was blue or lilac based? I'll ask the stud owner when the time comes.