I have trained lots of puppies to paper/pads as well as to outside. After they learn to hold it they rarely choose paper if they fully understand how to ask to go out. In my experience young dogs, especially small breed dogs, are like occupied toddlers in that they will keep playing until it's almost too late then it's toilet NOW. So owner vigilance is needed to make sure they go outside before they get to that stage, especially if you don't have instant access to the outdoors. If they leave it too late and go on paper as an emergency too frequently they will not want to put in the effort to go outside as a preference.

I quite like the idea of taking paper outside for them to go on actually! Especially some of the dogs I look after have horrible soft poos and it's not always easy to completely pick up after them.

 

My next dog [will] be a Papillon.
I am interested in [competing in breed-] conformation & agility... this would entail often being indoors only,
& possibly overnights in a hotel, I’d like to have the dog trained to both grass (snow) & newspaper.

i'd be hesitant to use newspaper; it's too easy for dogs to generalize to the texture & appearance of paper,
which is ubiquitous in our homes & even in a hotel - accidents are too easy.

EX, the hotel slides the bill [or receipt] under the door, the dog's in a hurry & the single page doesn't hold
the urine / stool; not only is the copy ruined, but the carpet is damaged, & U are charged.

I've seen dogs who were paper-trained LEG-LIFT on the daily paper, or when it was out of reach, BELOW it -
on the upholstered chair, on the nearest rug / carpet, under the table where the paper is sitting to be read...
& i've also seen OWNERS who didn't comprehend what the dog was doing, who compounded the minor error
of voiding "below" or "nearest" the paper by punishing their poor dog, sometimes severely - which doesn't
magically erase the innocent mistake, remove the mess, or clean the carpet / chair, it only vents spleen. :nonod:
Now, their poor dog - who was earnestly trying to get as close as possible to that dam*ed paper! -- has no idea
WHAT to do, or WHERE to go. Thoroughly confusing the dog about what substrate is "correct" is a disaster.

I'd suggest either a dedicated litter-box with a clumping, flushable litter, or the gravel-bottomed litterbox
that is PLUMBED simply into one's own toilet & flushes the waste, washing the gravel.

If U don't want to use litterboxes, i'd advocate pet-pads WITH a frame to secure them so they don't shift,
AND 'walls' or sides to confine the urine. Simply plopping a pad or 2 on the wall-to-wall is appealingly easy,
but it's way-too easy for the dog to overshoot the edge... backing up, standing with 2 feet on & 2 off,
etc, put the waste off the pad on the floor.

I know some breeders train [their pups to use] corn pellets, [the fuel used in] corn burning stoves,
& I could use that, if the puppy is already trained to it.

this would be much-better than paper - the pellets are distinctive in odor, texture, & appearance,
so no worries about confusing other substrates with a litterbox surface. :thumbup1:

Emphasis added in bold:

I would not do this with a larger dog, but Paps are toy[-sized].

We do not have stacks of newspapers in the house, so I am not worried about that.

i'm a bit confused - what aren't U worried about? :huh:

I have the impression - which may be wrong - that U meant to say U =Do= have stacks of newspaper,
IOW a ready, handy supply of paper-training materials, but for all the reasons i gave above & others
not listed, i'd avoid using newspapers.
If U DO use a fireplace, furnace, coal-stove, etc, consider rolling those newspapers into paper-logs to burn:
it requires a small mechanical roller, but they are tightly-rolled for slow, efficient combustion, & produce ash
that can safely be used on a garden, or as soil-amendment in landscaping.

Clean up of dog waste is a big problem in densely populated cities and I know some people use a newspaper
on the curb to make clean-up easier.

true, but i've used potty-pads for the same purpose, especially when a dog has DIARRHEA - which is awful
to try to pick-up with a conventional bag, but easy to confine & bundle-up for discarding, with a pad.

I've also used potty-pads or even paper-plates to 'catch' stools from animals that had intestinal parasites -
i've had the care of many neonates, orphans, & neglected animals over the years, & U cannot safely use
a bog-standard vermifuge or other TOXINS in nonhumans whose health is already compromised; kits,
pups, dogs or cats who are underage/ underweight / malnourished / elderly / fragile or massively infested
CAN * DIE if they are given the typical parasite-killers, which are lest we forget, poisons: they are meant
to kill the parasites, but can easily kill the poor, suffering host when that host is not healthy.

I've used minced raw garlic to evict [live!] parasites from nonhumans whose health was poorly - it's safe,
but U **cannot** let the contaminated feces hit the ground; then U're in for endless cycles of re-infestation,
if it's on Ur own property, or even worse, infesting other innocents who are exposed to contaminated soil
OFF of Ur own property, if U allowed such parasite-riddled feces to fall on curbside, park, or elsewhere
that is open to common use. Capturing it before it hits the ground is imperative.

I thought how easy it would be to do the same when we're out & about, or as I said, at a show.

Does anyone do both lawn & pad / paper?

I've taught many dogs to use a potty-pad [with a frame, or in emergencies, without - such as on an airport
concourse, or in the lady's room of a store, etc]; i've also taught dogs to use litterboxes, but my favorite is
the easiest option of all: the walk-in shower stall at home, OR the bath-tub, near the drain. :yesnod:

As an emergency back-up, it's perfect: if the pads in the frame are too wet, too dirty, or U are stuck
in traffic & the conventionally-housetrained dog cannot get outside to void, the shower or bath-tub is always there.

For toy-sized dogs, if there's no walk-in shower, U'll need a stable, well-secured set of steps or a ramp
up to the tub's side-wall, & a safe way to get into the tub - so s/he doesn't slip or simply fall hard onto the
slippery, rigid surface. Stairs up & a ramp descending in, a ramp on the outside & a sloped fat cushion
as an interior ramp, a non-slip, easy-draining, thick mat to cushion the impact on the tub's floor, etc.

As an aside -
be sure to expose any puppy to every imaginable substrate, as early & often as possible: sand, bark,
macadam AKA asphalt, wet tall grass, short dead-dry grass [which may be sharp!], gravel, concrete, even
tile or sealed stone, just in case; it's always possible that Ur dog will be stuck somewhere & need to void on some
weird-feeling, odd-smelling, unabsorbent surface.

EX, perhaps U get sick on vacation -
Ur dog, now 2 or 3-YO, is temporarily in a boarding kennel, & has to void on the concrete of an I/O run,
whilst using an indoor area for sleep, meals, & shelter from the weather. WHAT IF s/he has never voided
on concrete, before?... Then there's a miserable period of crying or barking, hopeless waiting, painful pressure,
all delaying the inevitable: they've GOT to go. :nonod: But they DON'T have to be miserable or be so upset;
the poor dog is already coping with a strange environment & unavoidably, at least somewhat anxious.
Let's make sure that at the very least, s/he is already familiar with DOG RUN substrates, & will void confidently
on a concrete surface.

Goof-proof Ur dog by exposing the pup to everything imaginable; every substrate, any setting - urban,
rural, livestock, open space & few humans, crowded streets & many humans, on-leash exercise with a front-clip
harness in a city-park, off-leash exercise [but safely away from cattle or game until they are proofed! ---
inside a fence or a walled pasture or garden, not simply let a young, untrained dog run free around
stock or game; it's not worth the risk of an all-too-exciting chance to chase, harass, or leap on some poor
beast, & then spend the next 4 to 6-months trying to RE-train the dog to be calm around non-dogs!...]

A well-reared puppy should be able to move from a 2,000-acre off-leash daily life on a Texas ranch
to a 100-square-foot studio-apartment in Manhattan, & not merely COPE, but thrive, within a 10-day or
fortnight transition. Change is inevitable, & we can't assume that what is true of today will be assuredly
just the same tomorrow - accident, divorce, illness, injury, financial disaster, any sudden upheaval can mean
an entirely-new sort of life for ourselves OR for our loved pets, & they should be prepared in advance.
It is unkind & unfair to teach our pups to live in or thrive in only ONE setting; they need flexibility to cope well.
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Thank you.

We do not get the metro paper, too rural to have it delivered. We do get a weekly local paper, suitable in size for the bottom of a bird cage. Other news we rely on the internet or coffee shop. So, we are not in a situation of having a stack of newspapers where a dog might think it is the toilet. I wanted to use newspapers because it’s something easy to buy where ever you are, unlike puppy pads.

I understand the box idea, so the dog does not miss. My brother in law, on his honeymoon, purchased a St. Bernard puppy. He and my sister lived in an upstairs flat, and her pregnant. Newspapers in the new baby’s room. Watch huge puppy with his front paws on the newspaper and his hind end on the hard wood floor. *sigh* So, I do understand the miss problem. Also, since we have foster dogs from a variety of circumstances, I would not want to confuse them. The newspaper would be in case of illness or traveling, not every day.

The corn pellets, as you say, are very distinctive and not many people have corn kernels on their carpet, so no confusion. I just realized, though, that dogs coming off of a corn based diet might eat it.

I’m now glad I have brought up the subject so I have time to sort it out.