[buffie]

Just came across this article that I had bookmarked and had forgotten about..................
http://www.ivis.org/journals/vetfocus/19_2/en/3.pdf

 

[Cazzer]

What symptoms was there as it seems to be quite a broad range from vomiting, loose poo, blood, weight loss etc the vet has suggested a course of steroids to me and some more metronidazole to get the inflammation under control. Did your cat have the surgery to confirm the ibd? I said no to the vet to opening riley up....

Be interesting to see how Karlo does on the Grau..

ok Karlo had no weight loss [he is somewhat rotund!], vomiting, blood, loose poo etc the usual symptoms of IBD. What he did have was a very odd walk [he was walking on his belly in short bursts and had a very rumbly tum]. The vets were at a bit of a loss initially and he was given steroids, metronidazole. He was then got better following this. He then got worse so repeated meds. He then got better only to get worse again. Scans revealed that the lymph nodes in the intestines were very inflammed. Anyway loads of tests later we hadn't found the cause of the problem so yes we did have the biopsy which confirmed IBD. I was really surprised as having had Oska and Sassie with similar problems there didn't appear to be similar symptoms.

In hind sight what I think caused the problem was cat grass. A couple of weeks before he was taken ill I sowed some seeds. Karlo went bonkers for it. It then was thrown away whilst some more grew.....he then went mad for that and so on. Needless now there is never any cat grass in my house!

Since the diagnosis Karlo has never had any problems with his walking. He does however get the runs if he manages to snaffle the other cats food which he never had prior to diagnosis.

He was on 2 and a half sachets of sensitivity control a day. He's now on one a day plus the grau and he is fine. I'm not sure whether to carry on like this or to eliminate the RC altogether but have several boxes yet to get through

 

[Lilylass]

If he is stressy a diffuser may help a bit - it can be anything really, as you say not being able to get out to a new cat moving into the neighbourhood and causing a bit of a stir.

I am dreading two things about to happen - trick or treating night (Maisie hates the door being knocked / bell rung) and fireworks night as she gets really stressed with loud noises. I'm going to stick a note on the door politely asking people not to knock / ring - but I bet it doesn't stop some of them .

I'd have done the same as you re opening him up just to get a firm diagnosis, hopefully a bland diet will help things settle and make him more comfortable in himself. It will be trial and error and can take a while to get a grip on the triggers but once you get there, it's worth it!

 

[chillminx]

I was aiming to wean my cat off the RC Sensitivity pouches, but reading the link Buffie kindly posted, I am not so sure now.. The article says the most effective diet for control of IBD in cats is one with hydrolised protein or peptide, which I believe RC Sensitivity Control is. So I may keep him partly on it after all. But add on some safe foods to give him a bit of variety.

 

[buffie]

I was aiming to wean my cat off the RC Sensitivity pouches, but reading the link Buffie kindly posted, I am not so sure now.. The article says the most effective diet for control of IBD in cats is one with hydrolised protein or peptide, which I believe RC Sensitivity Control is. So I may keep him partly on it after all. But add on some safe foods to give him a bit of variety.

I think that the RC Sensitivity Control is a single protein source food.The RC Hydrolyzed is this one...........Royal Canin Hypoallergenic cat food | Royal Canin Hypoallergenic for cats

Meeko has been on Hills ZD (hydrolyzed) and Purina HA (hydrolyged) and I believe the RC in the link(kindly sent by Cazzer) but he refused point blank to eat any of them

 

[Cazzer]

yes Buffie is right the sensitivity control isn't hydrolysed. If anyone wants to try the z/d or wet or dry I can send them some. Oska was originally on i/d but as he was losing so much weight he was put on z/d i bought a tray/bag from medicanimal but he was PTS before it was all used. He wasn't keen on it though and much preferred the i/d

 

[chillminx]

Buffie & Cazzer -- it says on the RC website's list of ingredients for Sensitivity Control that it contains "hydrolised protein" just as I had thought

Sensitivity Control SC 27 NEW - Royal Canin

The Hypoallergenic is only available in dry food I believe?

 

[nicolaa123]

Just came across this article that I had bookmarked and had forgotten about..................
http://www.ivis.org/journals/vetfocus/19_2/en/3.pdf

That is really informative I've saved that..

 

[Cazzer]

Buffie & Cazzer -- it says on the RC website's list of ingredients for Sensitivity Control that it contains "hydrolised protein" just as I had thought

Sensitivity Control SC 27 NEW - Royal Canin

The Hypoallergenic is only available in dry food I believe?

I've had a look at the pouches sensitivity control pouches s/o on their website which is what I feed and there is no mention of that being hydrolysed. That said it does mention it in the SC s/o trays of the duck! I think the one you provide a link to is a new food so not sure what RC are doing whether the s/o is being replaced by the SC 27

too!!!

 

[nicolaa123]

So then I would be better to try him on the z/d rather than the d/d to see if that helps him?

 

[nicolaa123]

ok Karlo had no weight loss [he is somewhat rotund!], vomiting, blood, loose poo etc the usual symptoms of IBD. What he did have was a very odd walk [he was walking on his belly in short bursts and had a very rumbly tum]. The vets were at a bit of a loss initially and he was given steroids, metronidazole. He was then got better following this. He then got worse so repeated meds. He then got better only to get worse again. Scans revealed that the lymph nodes in the intestines were very inflammed. Anyway loads of tests later we hadn't found the cause of the problem so yes we did have the biopsy which confirmed IBD. I was really surprised as having had Oska and Sassie with similar problems there didn't appear to be similar symptoms.

In hind sight what I think caused the problem was cat grass. A couple of weeks before he was taken ill I sowed some seeds. Karlo went bonkers for it. It then was thrown away whilst some more grew.....he then went mad for that and so on. Needless now there is never any cat grass in my house!

Since the diagnosis Karlo has never had any problems with his walking. He does however get the runs if he manages to snaffle the other cats food which he never had prior to diagnosis.

He was on 2 and a half sachets of sensitivity control a day. He's now on one a day plus the grau and he is fine. I'm not sure whether to carry on like this or to eliminate the RC altogether but have several boxes yet to get through

Vet said with Riley it was probably caused by the bout of diarrhoea he had when he was young that caused ulcerations that led to scar tissue.

Hope Karlo continues to do well..

 

[buffie]

Buffie & Cazzer -- it says on the RC website's list of ingredients for Sensitivity Control that it contains "hydrolised protein" just as I had thought

Sensitivity Control SC 27 NEW - Royal Canin

The Hypoallergenic is only available in dry food I believe?

chillminx ...Royal Canin Sensitivity Control is a complete dietetic feed for cats formulated to reduce ingredient and nutrient intolerances. It uses duck as its selected protein source and rice as its carbohydrate. Indications that your cat may benefit from this choice include: food allergy, food intolerance, inflammatory bowel disease, diarrhoea or through a food elimination trial. It is recommended that a veterinarian’s opinion be sought before use. Feed for 3-8 weeks and if the symptoms disappear it can be used indefinitely. It works through a limited number of protein sources helping to reduce the risk of food allergies, a patented complex to support the barrier effect of the skin, fatty acids to maintain a healthy digestive system and a healthy skin and the inclusion of nutrients which support a balanced digestive system

RC Hydrolyzed ....Royal Canin Hypoallergenic feline diet cat food is a highly palatable, highly digestible, complete, and balanced diet formulated to meet the requirements for feline growth and maintenance. This diet is a hydrolyzed soy protein isolate, lactose, and wheat gluten free diet that is indicated in both the diagnosis and management of adverse reactions to food

Does this help

 

[chillminx]

Thank you Buffie

The RC website actually says Sensitivity Control duck alutrays contain
hydrolised protein. But Cazzer suggests this is perhaps a new version RC is bringing out of SC.

However, going back 6 years when I used to feed RC Sensitivity to my previous IBD cat, it used to state on the pack it contained hydrolised protein in both the duck & rice and the chicken & rice flavours. So why the ingredients should have changed in recent years, and apparently now be about to change back again (according to the website info) I have no idea. Mystifying.

 

[buffie]

So then I would be better to try him on the z/d rather than the d/d to see if that helps him?

I can send you some of the Hills dry ZD I took the wet back to the vets it was like plastic pate there was no way I could have expected Meeko to eat it.I also have dry Purina HA if you would like to try that.I have to say that the hydrolyzed dry is so disgusting I'm not in the least surprised Meeko wont eat it,but he is a really fussy sod

 

[nicolaa123]

I can send you some of the Hills dry ZD I took the wet back to the vets it was like plastic pate there was no way I could have expected Meeko to eat it.I also have dry Purina HA if you would like to try that.I have to say that the hydrolyzed dry is so disgusting I'm not in the least surprised Meeko wont eat it,but he is a really fussy sod

Thanks, but he is only on wet at the moment as the dry bungs him up too much then he strains to pass... I might try a couple of tins from the vet and see how he gets on, if he likes the wet, I can try and balance it out with some dry to help his weight gain....

 

[nicolaa123]

what about a raw diet? Ive been looking on the net and seen some for it - saying can reverse the symptoms and others saying it should not be given to cats with ibd??

 

[Cazzer]

I can send you a tin of the z/d if you want as we had that for Oska who was PTS in the summer

 

[nicolaa123]

I can send you a tin of the z/d if you want as we had that for Oska who was PTS in the summer

Yes please I would like to try it!

sorry to hear about Oska

 

[Cazzer]

I think it depends on what you cat has problems with. Eg if its chicken it wouldn't matter if it were dry wet or raw chiecken the cat would react the same. I tried Karlo with raw before he was taken ill and he would never eat any of it. There are people who swear by it though as being good for sensitive tums

 

[nicolaa123]

Do you add any extra fibre to the food?