forgot to mention...he is fully uptodate with all his jabs, even kennel cough and not due any till next april 2012

 

Switching between one food and another is guaranteed to make the poor ruddy dog ill!

Bakers contains carciogens (cancer causing ingredients). Nice.

Tesco or any other supermarket brand is frankly cheap and crap. Your vet wil probably sell you Hills or Science Plan, both of which are equally crap, but they nowt about nutrition and are sponsored to sell this rubbish. Lots of dogs are gluten intolerant so if you're giving dry food with cereal included, like supermarket brands so this may well be the problem.

For decent food, look at the dry and wet stickies above.

 

Heya welcome to forum!

We adopted our collie 9 months ago and 3 months ago he started loosing weight n having diarrhoea all the time. He got an ultra sound done n they found his intestines were inflamed! Vet says the food we were giving him (pedigree) was too rich n he wasn't absorbing nutrients at all. We now feed him chappie mixed with asdas hero wet food and he has been fine ever since!! He has a sensitive stomach apparently!

Ever dog is different but ur story sounded similar to mine n thought I'd share it with as the above has worked for our boy

 

it is bakers complete beef and veg puppy mix (6 - 24 months)

 

I'm almost certain the problems are related to the food you are feeding. Sorry to sound harsh but what you are feeding your dog is rubbish. As for the food being too nutritious. Are you kidding? You couldn't of picked a worse food. It has hardly any meat in it and full of junk which dogs can not digest properly and have no nutritional value to it. A hamburger would be more nutritious!:mad2:

 

thanks jen jen will take that in. think i will try him with some wet food along with some dry if this tescos premium complete dry food doesnt agree with him. so far it has been trial and error to find out what is agreeing with him and nothing has apart from the boiled rice and chicken

 

I'm almost certain the problems are related to the food you are feeding. Sorry to sound harsh but what you are feeding your dog is rubbish. As for the food being too nutritious. Are you kidding? You couldn't of picked a worse food. It has hardly any meat in it and full of junk which dogs can not digest properly and have no nutritional value to it. A hamburger would be more nutritious!:mad2:

is this the bakers your on about? if so i have been told yesterday thats why im not giving him it anymore. trying him on my other dogs food but still yet to see his "business"

 

have a look at this thread http://www.petforums.co.uk/dog-health-nutrition/189896-dry-dog-food-index.html

Theres some really good food suggestions in there

 

I'm afraid I do agree with the others. Bakers is a dreadful food in terms of nutrition, as are all supermarket brands.

Border collies do tend to have quite a sensitive digestive system and a few can't tolerate any form of grain in their diet. Have a look in the sticky about Dry food ratings (the raw feeding may be of use to you too) and wet food rtings. These will give you an idea of the good quality foods out there.

Unfortunately, the foods you have mentioned are equivalent to a human eating a cheese burger and fries every day for the rest of your life, and nothing else

 

is this the bakers your on about? if so i have been told yesterday thats why im not giving him it anymore. trying him on my other dogs food but still yet to see his "business"

Yes bakers is about the worse dog food there is!

 

Bakers contains carciogens (cancer causing ingredients). Nice.

any other supermarket brand is frankly cheap and crap.

We now feed him chappie mixed with asdas hero wet food and he has been fine ever since!!

Oh my. Chappie dry? Also contains cancer causing ingredients (called BHA or BHT or also called Permitted EC additives. Lovely.)

I'm almost certain the problems are related to the food you are feeding. Sorry to sound harsh but what you are feeding your dog is rubbish. As for the food being too nutritious. Are you kidding? You couldn't of picked a worse food. It has hardly any meat in it and full of junk which dogs can not digest properly and have no nutritional value to it. A hamburger would be more nutritious!:mad2:

All of what she said. ^^ :mad2:

 

thanks jen jen will take that in. think i will try him with some wet food along with some dry if this tescos premium complete dry food doesnt agree with him. so far it has been trial and error to find out what is agreeing with him and nothing has apart from the boiled rice and chicken

Ye it was trial and error for us too, vet said if ur changing food u need to do it gradually over 2-3 week period as changing it every few days will just result in more diarrhoea!

Hope he gets better soon tho, it took our boy about 6 weeks to get better!!!

 

Tesco premium Puppy complete dog food with beef and vegatables.

Ingredients
Cereals, meat and animal derivatives (minimum 4% in the component with beef) vegetable protein extracts derivatives of vegetable origin, oils and fats, minerals, various sugars, yeast. With colourants, antioxidants and preservatives: EC additives.

Typical analysis
Protein 28%, oils and fats 12.0%, ash 7.5%, fibre 2.5%. Vitamins/minerals - vitamin A 1500iu/kg, vitamin D3 100iu/kg, vitamin E 75mg/kg, copper (as Cupric Sulphate) 19mg/kg.

Tesco premium complete dog food with chicken & vegetables

Ingredients
Cereals, meat and animal derivatives (minimum 4% chicken in the chicken components and minimum 4% fresh meat in the semi moist component), vegetable protein extracts, derivatives of vegetable origin (minimum 1% charcoal in the heart shaped component), oils and fats, minerals, various sugars, minerals yeasts, vegetables (minimum 4% vegetables in the vegetable component). With antioxidants (BHA BHT), colourants, and preservatives: EC additives (E153, E171, E155, E142, E172, E124, E202).

Typical analysis

Protein 23%, oils and fats 10%, ash 6.5%, fibre 3.0%. Vitamins/minerals - vitamin A 12000iu/kg, vitamin D3 1200iu/kg, vitamin E 60mg/kg, copper (as Cupric Sulphate) 15mg/kg.

It is not hard to use google and find out what the exact ingredients of the food you want to give your puppy are. Note the bold bits. Potentially cancer causing. Will you please stop ignoring those of us who are saying stuff you don't want to hear and actually do some research? Supermarket food is BAD for your dog. It is cheap crap.

 

It is not hard to use google and find out what the exact ingredients of the food you want to give your puppy are. Note the bold bits. Potentially cancer causing. Will you please stop ignoring those of us who are saying stuff you don't want to hear and actually do some research? Supermarket food is BAD for your dog. It is cheap crap.

im not ignoring anyone. i have just had so many replies at once and im not the best person in the world with reading and writing im afraid. i cane to this website for advice which is what everyone has replied with so im just trying to take it all in, do some research and take notes in my own time ( which is slower than everyone else). i want whats best for my dogs hense this topic... cheers

 

Switching between one food and another is guaranteed to make the poor ruddy dog ill!

Bakers contains carciogens (cancer causing ingredients). Nice.

.

For decent food, look at the dry and wet stickies above.

Glad you mentioned that again - for those of you who do not know Bakers cannot be stored next to horsefeed due to the risk of contamination - cannot remember exactly why but something to do with getting into the human food chain - perhaps you can remind us because i have forgotton

 

http://www.petforums.co.uk/dog-health-nutrition/189896-dry-dog-food-index.html

This thread and the equivalent wet food thread were recently made for people who are trying to find a decent food. Green= good, amber=fair, red=avoid, awful. Tesco and other supermarket food all=red, bad.

Please avoid anything with wording such as permitted additives, EC additives, BHA, BHT. They can cause cancer.

 

so would you suggest feeding dry and wet food rather that an all in one "complete" dry food? thanks

 

Glad you mentioned that again - for those of you who do not know Bakers cannot be stored next to horsefeed due to the risk of contamination - cannot remember exactly why but something to do with getting into the human food chain - perhaps you can remind us because i have forgotton

Becasue it contains BHT and BHA, the cancer causing stuff. Horses are often sold to the meat man and transported to the continent to be made into sausages then eaten by humans. Voilà!

I'm appalled that it is still sold/made.

 

so would you suggest feeding dry and wet food rather that an all in one "complete" dry food? thanks

No, I would suggest feeding whatever is good, dry, wet, mix, whatever you want. Just stay away from the rubbish and change over very gradually or the dog will be sick.

 

Everyone has their favourites when it comes to dog-food
I feed my three border collies 'Skinners field and trial maintenance' (recommended by the rescue where I got my third dog from)

It only costs me £16 for a 15kg sack , and that will last all three of my dogs one month .... they have one full mug each at breakfast and another full mug each at tea-time

I buy it online where they deliver free if you buy 2 sacks together :thumbup:

 

Just to add my experience with BC's

I had a working BC with an extremely delicate digestion - not good in a working dog!

Luckily he settled on Skinners Field & Trial Salmon and Rice. However due to him being so delicate I had to start on 3 tiny meals daily and increase quantities gradually. He is now on one meal a day and thriving


I really hope you find a food to suit your dog as it is a minefield where nutrition is concerned but lots of hepful advice on this forum

 

thanks for the help guys. and yeh it seems like a mine field. never thought so much of dog food before i joined here last night lol

 

BCs are notorious for having sensitive stomachs - I have two that have hence why I swopped onto raw but dont worry I am not about to ram this down your throat.

Skinners field & trial has seen some great results or CSJ is another one that alot of BC owners do well with.

 

I will not join the oxymoron of "good dry food" debate....

....but if you found that chicken and rice provided a solid stool.​

Repeat the fast, which BTW was wise and to be encouraged, and keep the dog on chicken/rice? Will you consider a BARF diet?

From reading your OP, if the dog had a misc other viral of bacterial infection causing the diarrhoea keeping him on a plain chicken/rice diet for a week or two might clear it. Assuming that you have not had stool samples screened for infection?

 

I have a collie who can't have any grains/cereals or beef. It will be a matter of finding what triggers his runny poo. You could try some Applaws dry complete puppy from P@H and some supermarkets - not cheap though. Or try fish for dogs.