i'm sure this will please the bloodthirsty bastards who run this country no end.
i kind of suspect that this badger cull is just a clandestine replacement for fox hunting. Killing animals is their idea of fun, so the introduce a cull against all the evidence so that they can legally do just that.

 

This has been confirmed as a badger that was not part of the ongoing cull. If it has been shot, then it hasn't been done as part of this cull, it has been shot illegally and the rescue involved need to involve the police, and share information on the type of ballistics used.

 

I may be talking out of my ar$e here, but I doubt that the same people who used to fox hunt are the ones now going off to cull badgers.

 

As badgers are being culled by shooting at a time of year when the ground vegetation is still high, it's inevitable the marksmen can't get a clean killing shot all the time, or even part of it.

The whole thing is ill-thought-out and wrong.

 

The animal rescue centre Secret World in Highbridge, Somerset, says a post mortem on a dead badger (pictured) proves the animals are suffering painful deaths as part of the badger cull. It the first photo released of a culled badger.

They say that the position of the badger's organs outside its body - which is too graphic to publish - and the fact it was found away from its sett, show that it did not die instantaneously, but ran away mortally wounded.

Charity: Pictures show badgers are dying in agony | West Country (W) - ITV News

Now even Governments Chief Vet admits he can't define what's a 'humane' kill of badgers!

EXCLUSIVE: Government Chief Vet admits he can't define what's a 'humane' kill of badgers | UK | News | Daily Express …

Anyone who supports this indefensible cull is absolutely NOT an animal lover.


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I can assure you I am an animal lover, and I don't like sweeping generalisations made about my beliefs. I could say the same, anyone who is unable to see the clear logic that some species will always need their numbers controlling to avoid populations becoming out of balance, allowing numbers to reach proportions where they are more prone to disease and starvation, now that to me is cruel beyond belief.

 

Disgusting

 

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i'm sure this will please the bloodthirsty bastards who run this country no end.
i kind of suspect that this badger cull is just a clandestine replacement for fox hunting. Killing animals is their idea of fun, so the introduce a cull against all the evidence so that they can legally do just that.

Badger cull - fox hunters all are connected. Our Rona posted an excellent link(that ive not got round to replying to as yet) on one of my other badger threads , heres a snippet...

Foxes are known to share similar foods, have similar activity patterns and will often use active badger setts as breeding dens. As they are competitors, the eradication of badgers will see fox numbers increase substantially (more food, more breeding ground, no competitor, no threat to cubs etc). The result will most likely be a similar call to kill foxes, of course - given the Death culture predelictions of that heinous, vocal minority among the Coalition. (Badgers are currently the superior competitor because they are larger and more aggressive, so they keep the fox population down.)

An experimental investigation was, in fact, carried out re-fox numbers increasing in direct response to badger culling, and it was found that over a period of 2 years, "mean fox density increased by 57% in the culled areas within 24 months." That's not an insignificant relationship. Amongst other things, the badger culls are a ruse to overturn the hunting ban within the next 2 years. All our pro-cull ministers, including Mr Paterson and Mr Cameron, are known hunters.

This has been confirmed as a badger that was not part of the ongoing cull. If it has been shot, then it hasn't been done as part of this cull, it has been shot illegally and the rescue involved need to involve the police, and share information on the type of ballistics used.

Confirmed by Defra .. how can they possibly know that? It was found in Somerset cull zone. If this was an 'illegal' killing the Government are still to blame! they have unleashed a monster on our badgers...its open season out there!

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Our poor Badgers are being slaughtered. I have signed petitions to stop it, but doubt if it will do any good. Its absolutely disgusting what is going on. These people are all blood thirsty evil.......I cant put into words what I think of them. Ill never ever understand human beings.

 

The pictures of this probably are too horrific to be shown on a family based forum but I think they should be available to people then they can see the real gory horror of being shot.

We see dead animals at the sides of roads, we eat meat........we dont see how something gets dead cos its distasteful and upsets us.

If we euthanised our pets in this way, if we killed our meat in this way, we would be declared a nation of savages.and quite rightly so..who is there to protect the badger.a protected species now being killed by the authority that made laws to protect it?

 

I was under the impression that the badger cull was to stop the spread of TB to cows, nothing to do with keeping their numbers down for their own good?

I'm a townie and so am open to being told I'm wrong about countryside matters(so long as there's actual facts to back it up) but I can't see how killing perfectly healthy animals in their own habitat so that farmed animals can be disease free is morally justifiable in a 'nation of animal lovers'.

 

I can assure you I am an animal lover, and I don't like sweeping generalisations made about my beliefs. I could say the same, anyone who is unable to see the clear logic that some species will always need their numbers controlling to avoid populations becoming out of balance, allowing numbers to reach proportions where they are more prone to disease and starvation, now that to me is cruel beyond belief.

So we should set up a similar cull for humans, in some parts of the world, where population doesnt match food supply, shoot them like the badgers are shot? I mean if its good for one species why not another aye.

 

I can assure you I am an animal lover, and I don't like sweeping generalisations made about my beliefs. I could say the same, anyone who is unable to see the clear logic that some species will always need their numbers controlling to avoid populations becoming out of balance, allowing numbers to reach proportions where they are more prone to disease and starvation, now that to me is cruel beyond belief.

I could agree with you, the main species that is breeding out of control and really needs to be controlled are the **** sapiens (humans) they are a plague on the planet, breeding without any thought about how everyone is going to be feed, some expecting other people to pay for them and their families as they can't feed them themselves, there are starving people all over the world, and we worry about a few badgers :mad2:

 

I could agree with you, the main species that is breeding out of control and really needs to be controlled are the **** sapiens (humans) they are a plague on the planet, breeding without any thought about how everyone is going to be feed, some expecting other people to pay for them and their families as they can't feed them themselves, there are starving people all over the world, and we worry about a few badgers :mad2:

And slaying other life and demolishing habitats to please themselves as well.

 

People have been shooting Badgers for years and then dumping the bodies on roads so as not to arouse suspicion as it's hard to prove one way or the other when it's been squished by a lorry and this why you see so many more dead badgers on the roads than you ever used to before the laws to protect them came in.

 

And slaying other life and demolishing habitats to please themselves as well.

And each other, we're vicious to our own species too

 

I'm sorry but how does the fact that the body was away from the sett prove that it suffered?

Badgers do spend a lot of the night away from their setts

I would hazard a guess that that badger was actually one of the lucky ones and was shot with an appropriate sized shot that assured it died fairly instantaneously

It's the ones sliding off into the setts with fairly minor but potentially life threatening injuries are the ones I'd be concerned about

 

If we euthanised our pets in this way, if we killed our meat in this way, we would be declared a nation of savages.and quite rightly so..who is there to protect the badger.a protected species now being killed by the authority that made laws to protect it?

But horses are often PTS via a bolt gun and it's what I would choose for mine when his time comes. I'm not convinced the injection is correct for such a large animal. If an animal is slaughtered for kosher or halal consumption, it is generally hung upside down and it's throat is slit with no electric stun gun first (despite European legislation ). KFC and BA all use halal meat.

 

What do they mean Governments chief vet cant define whats a humane kill of badgers?!!

Its not rocket science a humane kill is one that's instant and there isn't any pain suffering or stress.

Shooting moving running badgers at night, whether so called legally or illegally by inexperienced marksman, there is likely going to be more injuries and fatal woundings then there are going to be clean instant kills just as every one feared there would be and was said all along. The chances are that each shot would be instant and painless was against the shooting and the way its being done right from the start.

 

But horses are often PTS via a bolt gun and it's what I would choose for mine when his time comes. I'm not convinced the injection is correct for such a large animal. If an animal is slaughtered for kosher or halal consumption, it is generally hung upside down and it's throat is slit with no electric stun gun first (despite European legislation ). KFC and BA all use halal meat.

I have seen the bolt and injection for horses PTS. I would have always said the bolt cos of an horrific PTS of my friends sick horse that was injected and took 40minutes to die.....the last 2 we had PTS were as a result of accidents and the vet came here before going to the surgery to pick the gun up. I am converted to the injection when its done properly and correctly by a vet that actually knows what he is doing.
Our last PTS was our old stallion and I asked for the injection. He was dead before the needle was out of his vein and he slid gently to the floor.

Thats totally different to people taking pot shots at protected wildlife.

I really can't see the need for animals going for slaughter not being stunned and it done under the banner of religion. Thats still totally different than someone taking pot shots for fun.

 

I was under the impression that the badger cull was to stop the spread of TB to cows, nothing to do with keeping their numbers down for their own good?

I'm a townie and so am open to being told I'm wrong about countryside matters(so long as there's actual facts to back it up) but I can't see how killing perfectly healthy animals in their own habitat so that farmed animals can be disease free is morally justifiable in a 'nation of animal lovers'.

Apparently the badgers that are killed are not even going to go through post mortem to check if they are carrying TB or not. Considering its being done under the disguise that Badgers are the cause of TB spread in cattle this to me seems very odd and unscientific. It would in theory be an ideal opportunity to prove that badgers are a factor or not once and for all in the spread and contributing to the infection in cattle and would at least make some sense of the killing.

So you have to ask why are they not being checked for TB to prove or disprove the theory once and for all it would make a whole lot more sense.
Or is it that thy are afraid that the post mortems would without a shadow of a doubt prove that the incidence isn't as high and badgers the cause as its claimed to be. Just like lots of available data and studies show, that the spread is due to the way cattle are kept, so called tested, and moved around and bad bio security all along.

 

Poor badger, I haven't read the link as I would find it too upsetting, I am against shooting any animals, I also hate people shooting for fun such as fox hunting, pheasant shooting etc, it is all so cruel.

 

So we should set up a similar cull for humans, in some parts of the world, where population doesnt match food supply, shoot them like the badgers are shot? I mean if its good for one species why not another aye.

I posted this on fb a little while ago, I think it fits here quite nicely..

As for the badger cull.....barbaric :frown2:

 

how can these sick, evil b***ards get up everyday knowing what they are about to do, they must have something missing. if they can do this to a defenseless animal with no remorse or upset i think they lack what makes you human. Me and mum debate about my opinion regularly, i would NEVER no matter how poor i was be able to take lives for a living, i would be sectioned, mean that with all my heart. i have been brought up around mental illness so its not a term i use lightly. i genuinely think i would be a wreck if i inflicted this kind of suffering on this scale. Those who are capable of "switching off" to this kind of "work" are dangerous.

 

If an animal is slaughtered for kosher or halal consumption, it is generally hung upside down and it's throat is slit with no electric stun gun first (despite European legislation ). KFC and BA all use halal meat.

Actually, quite a few restaurant chains, and ready meal/food manufacturers, pub chains, schools etc. use halal meat, otherwise they would lose a huge market and having two different meat suppliers is expensive. They may not trumpet this too loudly, though, as equally a lot of non-muslims don't like the idea of having to eat halal meat. Think I'll be avoiding KFC now...

From memory, at least 50% of halal meat is stunned, some claim as much as 90% (it's mainly the rituals and the prayer that is said over it dedicating it that makes it halal, not the lack of stunning before slaughter) - although they only use a low voltage stun that is guaranteed not to actually kill the animal. The stricter denominations don't like it, though, so non-stunned meat is still produced - Subway, for example, used non-stunned meat last time I checked, might have changed since I last read up on this, though.

There are differences in the two techniques as well, I believe. I know the Jewish method involves a first critical part of the cut which results in almost instantaneous unconsciousness and brain death, the rest of the cut completes the full slaughter. Total time for the whole process is under 1 second, with no prospect of consciousness being regained. They refuse pre-stunning as Jewish law states an animal has to be healthy and uninjured before slaughter, and they regard all current mechanical methods of pre-stunning as causing unnecessary injury and trauma to the animals, as well as increasing the slaughter duration.

I've found it harder to find precise details about the halal version, as there's a lot more detail on the positioning of the animal and the prayers etc., but it's fairly similar except care must be taken that the nervous system is not damaged, as it would then be regarded as dead before bleeding out and threfore carrion and forbidden (the same reason they use low voltage pre-stunning).

 

how can these sick, evil b***ards get up everyday knowing what they are about to do, they must have something missing. if they can do this to a defenseless animal with no remorse or upset i think they lack what makes you human. Me and mum debate about my opinion regularly, i would NEVER no matter how poor i was be able to take lives for a living, i would be sectioned, mean that with all my heart. i have been brought up around mental illness so its not a term i use lightly. i genuinely think i would be a wreck if i inflicted this kind of suffering on this scale. Those who are capable of "switching off" to this kind of "work" are dangerous.

It's a good job that some of us animal lovers have put ourselves in positions that require us to dispatch other creatures otherwise it would be just left to the blood thirsty and cruel. Does not make us the same.......

Where would that leave the animals then?

These things go on you know, just because you don't like it, it doesn't stop it.
If I am proud of anything, it's the suffering I've prevented in farming and shooting that would have happened had I not been there.

I can no longer do it, I've had enough, but for 17 years on the farm and 7 years as a Keeper, the animals in my care and the wildlife that surrounded it, were far better off just by my being there.