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#41 ·
PennyGSD said:
1% is still up to 99%, isn't it?

I also love the wording that says 'all our XX meat is sourced from British farms wherever possible'.

That could mean that absolutely nothing is sourced where they say it was, because it wasn't possible.

And the other one is 'may help cure xxx'. May? Why even mention it?

Love a good debate on a Saturday morning.
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Yep, like the good old British red tractor mark, where they found that some of the meat was sourced from abroad, and just repackaged in this country! Not sure whether they've managed to stop that one yet.
 
#42 ·
Prowl said:
VOM

I hate the term vegetable origen o.0'''

Yes I used to feed my dog on bakers I believed the adds but then I started researching and discovered bakers had a lot of bad press and the recent programe explained that it contains anti freeaze in its ingrediants. Sad thing is my dog was uneffected by bakers at all she had very firm poos and really calmed down a lot. She was worse on pedigree it made her hyper active and snappy.

She now gets fed quality wet foods I give her variety and switch between brands as the same food is boring for her and she gets some raw food to she does best on a combo quality wet/dry and raw.

Brands I have tried which suit Milie

Lillys Kitchen - best on it
Natures Menue - sensitive to some of the flavours
Simpsons dry
Taste of the wild
Natures Diet chicken flavour
Natures Menue raw nuggets
Prize choice beef chunks - occasionally I get a bag as the pet store sells them and I have been impressed with the recent packs I have got I got them for Millie in the begining and found their products to be quite anemic.
Butchers all sorts of bones
Natures Harvest
The deli range from pets at home
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You do need to be careful giving a diet that contains both raw and kibble.

The two digest at different rates and can cause problems.
 
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#43 ·
Sweety said:
You do need to be careful giving a diet that contains both raw and kibble.

The two digest at different rates and can cause problems.
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I don't feed dry and raw but have done in the past and know others that have done without complication.

I don't even mix wet and raw anymore they are fed as seperate meals.

only wet and handfull of dry food I mix together.
 
#44 ·
It's good you don't do that any more.

As you say, you did in the past and got away with it, but some dogs have suffered real health issues after being fed that combination.
 
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#45 ·
Sweety said:
It's good you don't do that any more.

As you say, you did in the past and got away with it, but some dogs have suffered real health issues after being fed that combination.
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All dogs are different at the end of the day and everyone learns eventually (one would like to hope :>)
 
#47 ·
Sweety said:
It's good you don't do that any more.

As you say, you did in the past and got away with it, but some dogs have suffered real health issues after being fed that combination.
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Sorry Sweety, I don't mean to be confrontational, but do you mean that you personally have known dogs that have suffered real health issues that has been medically proven to have been caused by feeding raw and kibble together? Or is this a 'friend of a friend of a friend said that their Auntie's lodger once knew someone who's dog got very ill...' sort of thing?

I've read this sort of advice a lot, but in the face of a lack of actual evidence I'm tending it's just because a few people are repeating what they've read over and over, hence it now becoming a fact.

I can't find the source right now, which is annoying me considerably as this now just becomes something that I've posted with no evidence, but I do remember something by either Ian Billinghurst or Tom Lonsdale that read something like 'differing acidity requirements for the digestion of processed carbohydrates or bones/raw meat may cause problems'. So even the raw feeding gurus don't state it as a fact.
 
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#48 ·
PennyGSD said:
Sorry Sweety, I don't mean to be confrontational, but do you mean that you personally have known dogs that have suffered real health issues that has been medically proven to have been caused by feeding raw and kibble together? Or is this a 'friend of a friend of a friend said that their Auntie's lodger once knew someone who's dog got very ill...' sort of thing?

I've read this sort of advice a lot, but in the face of a lack of actual evidence I'm tending it's just because a few people are repeating what they've read over and over, hence it now becoming a fact.

I can't find the source right now, which is annoying me considerably as this now just becomes something that I've posted with no evidence, but I do remember something by either Ian Billinghurst or Tom Lonsdale that read something like 'differing acidity requirements for the digestion of processed carbohydrates or bones/raw meat may cause problems'. So even the raw feeding gurus don't state it as a fact.
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I fed my JRT on raw for some time but had to stop as she couldn't tolerate any bone whasoever, even ground.

I was part of a large group on FB, called Barf Diet Chat. They are all raw feeders, some of them for many years and they are quite passionate and some extremely knowledgeable on the subject.

Over time, there were a number of posts on there from people, mainly new to the BARF diet, who had fed kibble at the same time as raw and whose dogs had problems because of it.
 
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Sweety said:
Over time, there were a number of posts on there from people, mainly new to the BARF diet, who had fed kibble at the same time as raw and whose dogs had problems because of it.
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I'm afraid this still doesn't qualify as hard evidence for me without proof that it was the mixing of the kibble with the raw that was the actual cause.

Who's to know if that particular piece of meat they were given on that day wouldn't have caused a problem without the kibble? Or that they picked up something nasty on a walk? or the kibble had some rancid fat?

I've read a lot of posts on some raw feeding Facebook groups where dogs appear to have an issue with certain times of meat. The advice given is never to stop feeding raw food full stop, but always to try a different approach, different proteins etc etc. Raw food is never blamed, but if the dreaded kibble is mentioned it's always the culprit.
 
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As far as I know it's a myth carbs and protein digest at different rates not raw and cooked. If dogs are just switching over to raw then there could be problems that are just from the switch or handler error that could be blamed on it.

I wouldn't feed bakers if you paid me I don't do vegetarian diets for dogs or tons of additives.
 
#51 ·
PennyGSD said:
Sorry Sweety, I don't mean to be confrontational, but do you mean that you personally have known dogs that have suffered real health issues that has been medically proven to have been caused by feeding raw and kibble together? Or is this a 'friend of a friend of a friend said that their Auntie's lodger once knew someone who's dog got very ill...' sort of thing?

I've read this sort of advice a lot, but in the face of a lack of actual evidence I'm tending it's just because a few people are repeating what they've read over and over, hence it now becoming a fact.

I can't find the source right now, which is annoying me considerably as this now just becomes something that I've posted with no evidence, but I do remember something by either Ian Billinghurst or Tom Lonsdale that read something like 'differing acidity requirements for the digestion of processed carbohydrates or bones/raw meat may cause problems'. So even the raw feeding gurus don't state it as a fact.
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Completely agree.

Sweety said:
I fed my JRT on raw for some time but had to stop as she couldn't tolerate any bone whasoever, even ground.

I was part of a large group on FB, called Barf Diet Chat. They are all raw feeders, some of them for many years and they are quite passionate and some extremely knowledgeable on the subject.

Over time, there were a number of posts on there from people, mainly new to the BARF diet, who had fed kibble at the same time as raw and whose dogs had problems because of it.
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NEW to raw - meaning they're still finding their feet with raw. Which means they're not doing it in a preferred method. There is no right in raw feeding so I can't say "they're not doing it right" - but there is a very definite doing it wrong; people just rushing into it without any form of research, for example.

Just because an experienced dog owner who has fed raw for god knows how long says "Don't feed raw and kibble together" doesn't make it a fact.

I've fed raw for nearly 3 years now, and although I'm no expert and far from experienced in my books; I have a raw feeding page on FB too - it's that easy to set one up ;). I would never advise feeding raw and dry in the same meal but having done training before/after a meal using dry food as treats - I have not seen any adverse affects. There is also no scientific proof that it is harmful.. Yes some Newbie did it and their dog ended up in the vets.. was it really the combination or the person not researching their dogs diet properly?

If people do half and half - I always suggest keeping it on different days - not because of digestion rates or anything like that; more to do with that there isn't any guide line for how much to feed when doing half raw, half dry in one day.

Not sure how any of this relates to Bakers.
 
#52 ·
SLB said:
Completely agree.

NEW to raw - meaning they're still finding their feet with raw. Which means they're not doing it in a preferred method. There is no right in raw feeding so I can't say "they're not doing it right" - but there is a very definite doing it wrong; people just rushing into it without any form of research, for example.

Just because an experienced dog owner who has fed raw for god knows how long says "Don't feed raw and kibble together" doesn't make it a fact.

I've fed raw for nearly 3 years now, and although I'm no expert and far from experienced in my books; I have a raw feeding page on FB too - it's that easy to set one up ;). I would never advise feeding raw and dry in the same meal but having done training before/after a meal using dry food as treats - I have not seen any adverse affects. There is also no scientific proof that it is harmful.. Yes some Newbie did it and their dog ended up in the vets.. was it really the combination or the person not researching their dogs diet properly?

If people do half and half - I always suggest keeping it on different days - not because of digestion rates or anything like that; more to do with that there isn't any guide line for how much to feed when doing half raw, half dry in one day.

Not sure how any of this relates to Bakers.
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That's right, some of the posts I referred to were people new to raw feeding who had come to the Group looking for advice from those experienced in the diet.

Any of them who said they were mixing raw with kibble were overwhelmingly advised not to do so. It was on that site I did see posts where people described illness in their dogs after mixing them.

I know it doesn't relate to Bakers at all. Earlier in this thread, someone posted listing foods they regularly feed their dog, which included wet food, kibble and raw.
 
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#53 ·
Sweety said:
That's right, some of the posts I referred to were people new to raw feeding who had come to the Group looking for advice from those experienced in the diet.

Any of them who said they were mixing raw with kibble were overwhelmingly advised not to do so. It was on that site I did see posts where people described illness in their dogs after mixing them.

I know it doesn't relate to Bakers at all. Earlier in this thread, someone posted listing foods they regularly feed their dog, which included wet food, kibble and raw.
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But how do you or any of the experienced people know it wasn't just the raw part that was wrong? ;)

As I said before - when feeding the two together (mixed or in the same day) it is hard to know how much of each to give. If the dogs got runs - it's possible that the dog was fed too much.

I've had people on my group that just dived into it and refused to take any advice that was given to them when they asked for it. Then were all woe is me when their dogs got ill - none of them were feeding raw and kibble together.

Fact of the matter is; it isn't a fact that raw and kibble is harmful to feed together - there is no scientific evidence.

Yes there may be a few dogs that have had adverse affects when fed the two together. But they aren't evidence that it is harmful to ALL dogs.

One of my dogs is allergic to grains - doesn't mean that all dogs cannot tolerate grains or have adverse affects when fed grains. My eldest dog has a diet of high grain dry food (not my choice - she doesn't live with me) but she's as fit as a fiddle and has been for all her 12 years.
 
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There is no scientific evidence to support the myth that raw and kibble either digest at different rates or cannot be fed together.

There are lots of people who say "I have heard, read, seen x" but that does not make it true.

Others go on to regurgitate "received wisdom" without challenging its source or applying critical thinking.

That is because it suits their own particular purpose.

Thousands of people feed raw and kibble together for various reasons; just as people adopt all sorts of other feeding regimes which suit their dogs and them.

There is no ONE way that is "best" for dogs, (unless of course you a) know different and b) can produce the peer reviewed scientific evidence to prove otherwise) ;)
 
#58 ·
I have been feeding raw alongside a good quality kibble for nearly a year with Thai (and years previously with the family dogs) with no adverse effects.
There is no scientific data to support this myth, it is just "he said, she said" with only anecdotal evidence.
 
#60 ·
Goblin said:
Can you produce peer reviewed evidence that peer reviewed scientific evidence actually works considering a lot of scientists admit it's only the "best we currently can do", not necessarily to be trusted. :p
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Nothing on earth is 100% but peer reviewed scientific evidence is the best we have at the moment, but of course even the worth of that can be challenged depending upon the size of the study etc etc ;)

Science is also always changing as new discoveries are made.

But it is infinitely preferable (IMHO) to "I read somewhere, someone told me, I heard................." etc.
 
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