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What to look for when getting a Pedigree Cat

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There have been a number of threads lately, both here and on other social media sites from people buying their first pedigree and the difficulties they have faced.

We are all capable of making a mistake, but unlike when you buy a TV that breaks after a week (which is very annoying but you can usually get a replacement and no emotion is spent) when you involve a living being, which you fall in love with very quickly, it can result in utter devastation, and a huge financial and emotional cost. I should know, its happened to me twice, once when I was seeking my first pedigree and fell into the clutches of a BYB and once when I really should have known better ....

So I've started this thread because I'd like breeders and people who have bought pedigree cats to discuss the best way to find a reputable breeder, things to keep you eyes peeled for, and what specific questions you should ask.

The first thing that becomes obvious with a lot of people is they don't do enough research. However where do you start? If you are totally outside of 'The Cat Fancy' it can be impossible to know where to begin.
Breeders and those-in-the-know will tell you to approach the breed clubs or the registry. But when I started looking I'd never even heard of the GCCF, even though I'd read a number of books about cats. At the time I didn't have access to the internet, so I did what most people do, I looked in a paper and went to a breeder who was advertising in there. This was a mistake (see above).

In the UK there are four registries:
GCCF (Governing Council of the Cat Fancy) http://www.gccfcats.org/
TICA (The International Cat Association) http://www.tica-ew.org/
FIFE (Fédération Internationale Féline) http://www.felisbritannica.com/
CFA (Cat Fancy Association) http://cfaeurope.org/en

The GCCF is the only one based solely in the UK and is the most commonly used by UK breeders, the others are international registries, with TICA being the most commonly used of the three behind GCCF in the UK.
(NB Breeders: Please could you comment and put links to registries within your own countries please)

These registries will have links to help you find a breeder, a club for the breed you are interested in and have guidelines to help you select a breeder and chose a kitten.

Make sure you understand which health tests your chosen breed should have and ask your breeder for details of their cats status. Make sure you see proof, no reputable breeder will be offended if asked to show clearance certificates. In the UK Langfords are the most commonly used genetic testing service, this link shows you the breeds they have genetic tests for, just click on the breeds name and the tests available are listed.
http://www.langfordvets.co.uk/diagn...ratories/diagnostic-laboratories/general-info-breeders/genetic-diseases-and-cat
Some UK breeders will use other Labs, the other most often used is UC Davis, in the USA. https://www.vgl.ucdavis.edu/services/cat/

Other tests such as heart scans to check for HCM are done in a number of breeds. HCM is a complex disease, and the DNA test will not guarantee the cat is free from HCM, so beware of a breeder who claims it does. Note that heart scans must be performed by a specialist cardiologist not the local practice vet.

Make sure you understand what paperwork you should receive when you buy your kitten. As a minimum you should get a pedigree sheet (the family tree), and the vaccination card showing what vaccines were given and when. You should also receive the registration document. This is printed by the registration body and lists the kittens pedigree name, its parents, its date of birth and its registration number. While some breeders retain these until proof of neutering most will give these to you on collection of the kitten. This link will show you what the paperwork should look like https://www.petforums.co.uk/threads/pedigree-papers.454267/

Lots of breeders also get their kittens microchipped so you should receive the paperwork for that too. Most breeders will give you a pack with details of worming, fleaing and feeding. It may be a little booklet or just a sheet of paper but it is important. Show it to your vet so they can put a note of the dates and products used on your kittens record. The kitten may or may not be neutered prior to you collecting him/her depending on the breeders practice.

Things to watch for when viewing kittens:
Dirty bottoms/eyes/noses/ears
Nervous kittens who don't relax and start to play after a few minutes of your arrival.
Nervous adult cats.
Dirty litter trays / feeding areas.
Excessively bad smells when a kitten/cat uses the litter tray.
Kittens/adults that don't want to be handled.
Breeders who are reluctant to show off their cats.
Kittens that are brought into the room from elsewhere (that you don't get to see)
Breeders that are keen to get a purchase that day.
Breeders who claim they health test but can't or won't show you the paperwork.
Breeders who avoid answering the question.
 
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I do think she had invited me before the illness showed up. We arranged it last weekend and my understanding was it only started within the last day or so (tho not sure). She also said the vets had not been concerned, and said they didn't need antibiotics.

I also saw the adults last week and they were fine then (they were at a show).

But appreciate you guys are more knowledgeable than me on this, so thank you for all the responses!
 
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#79 ·
I also saw the adults last week and they were fine then (they were at a show)
It isn't unheard of for cats to pick up a virus at a show, in fact I think it happens more often than is admitted. It is one of the reasons that my kittens do not mix with any other cat other than their mother.
 
#80 ·
The kittens we saw have only interacted with their mum - not been exposed to the household. Also mum was fine, and only one of the litter we went to see had diarrhea. She was also the littlest, at 7 weeks she was easily 2/3 the size of her siblings (and the most nutty of the lot - great little feisty character).

Breeder has been great with our concerns (and sharing info from her vet). We're waiting for when they go for first jabs and vet will decide if they are healthy for that...
 
#83 · (Edited)
In the UK, there are four registries: the Governing Council of the Cat Fancy (GCCF), The International Cat Association (TICA), Felis Britannica (a UK branch of Fédération Internationale Féline or FIFe), and the Cat Fancy Association (CFA). GCCF is a UK only registry, TICA, FIFe and CFA are international.

This thread aims to highlight different aspects of each association, including which breeds each registry recognises, how breeders obtain a cattery name, links to available clubs within each registry, and links to show calendars with a brief overview of how showing works within each registry.

Registration conditions for all registries

In order for kittens to be registered with any registry, the parents must be on the Active Register with permission from the parents' breeders to produce offspring. Parents are placed on the Active Register if they themselves come from Active Register parents only. Kittens on the Non-Active Register are not meant to be bred from, and their offspring cannot be registered. It is extremely important that buyers check the registration documents of parent cats for Active status.

Buyers should receive card issued by the relevant registry with their kitten's name on it, parentage, breeder's details, colour, and registration number. Buyers can then transfer the kitten into their name should they wish. See this thread for examples of pedigree papers.

NB: A family tree or genealogy is not proof of a registered pedigree, the only proof is a registry issued document.

All registries recommend that kittens should be rehomed at a minimum of 13 weeks, after the second lot of vaccinations. Rehoming at this age allows the kitten crucial socialisation time with its mother and siblings. This is recommended for all kittens, not just pedigrees.

Please also note, vets cannot register kittens with a registry. Only the breeder that is the registered owner of the dam can register kittens, either with their own cattery prefix or suffix purchased from the registry, or with an administration prefix (GCCF and FIFe only).

GCCF

As mentioned previously, this is a UK only registry and is often (but not always) the preferred registry for UK breeders.


Recognised Breeds

GCCF has the fewest number of recognised breeds of all the registries, at just 39 breeds. Recognised breeds under GCCF are:
  • Abyssinian
  • Asian
  • Australian Mist
  • Aztec
  • Balinese
  • Bengal
  • Birman
  • British Shorthair (incl. Longhair)
  • Burmese
  • Chartreux
  • Cornish Rex
  • Devon Rex
  • Egyptian Mau
  • Exotic Shorthair
  • Korat
  • La Perm
  • Maine Coon
  • Manx
  • Nebelung
  • Norwegian Forest Cat
  • Ocicat
  • Oriental
  • Persian
  • RagaMuffin
  • Ragdoll
  • Russian
  • Selkirk Rex
  • Siamese
  • Siberian
  • Singpura
  • Snowshoe
  • Sokoke
  • Somali
  • Sphynx
  • Suffolk
  • Thai
  • Toyger
  • Tonkinese
  • Turkish Van and Vankedisi
More details on each breed can be found here.

Breeding in GCCF

In order to purchase a cattery name in GCCF, one must generally be a member of a GCCF-affliated club for at least 12 months. There are some clubs that are an exception to this. The club secretary then signs off on the prefix application. GCCF also has the option of using an administration prefix, which changes every year. Only kittens from Active Register matings can be registered.

Clubs in GCCF

Clubs represent breeders and owners of cats registered under GCCF and, much like an MP, will take issues raised within the club to the Committee for debate. An individual can join as many clubs as they wish, and one can be either a breeder, an owner, or an interested party in the breed, live in the general area of the club, or indeed live nowhere near and just like the ethos of the club. Most clubs hold an annual show, some are All Breed shows (so all breeds are accepted) and are Breed shows (so only a specific breed is accepted). All GCCF shows also have a section for Household Pets; that is moggies, cats of known pedigree, or cats of pedigree appearance.

A list of GCCF affiliated clubs can be found here.

Showing with GCCF

Unlike other registries, GCCF shows are held on a single day, either a Saturday or a Sunday. They are spread across the whole of the UK, and there are often more than one on any given weekend. The GCCF show calendar can be found here.

GCCF shows are pen-judged, the only exception to this is the Supreme, which is the biggest show of the GCCF calendar.

Anyone with a cat can show with GCCF: cats registered with GCCF from birth, cats imported into GCCF from other registries, even moggies! Cats must be registered with (or imported into) GCCF to show in the pedigree section.

Moggies of all kinds can be shown in the Household Pet section, which is divided into Household Pet and Pedigree Pet. In order to claim titles in the Household Pet section cats must be registered as a Household Pet, which can be easily done through GCCF's website.

Titles go in the following order, Champion is for entire cats in breeding programmes, Premier is for neutered pedigrees, and Master Cat is for Household Pet & Pedigree Pet:
  • Champion / Premier / Master Cat
  • Grand Champion / Grand Premier / Grand Master Cat
  • Imperial Grand Champion / Imperial Grand Premier / Imperial Grand Master Cat
  • Olympian Bronze Imperial Grand Champion / Olympian Bronze Imperial Grand Premier / Olympian Bronze Imperial Grand Master Cat
  • Olympian Silver Imperial Grand Champion / Olympian Silver Imperial Grand Premier / Olympian Silver Imperial Grand Master Cat
  • Olympian Gold Imperial Grand Champion / Olympian Gold Imperial Grand Premier / Olympian Gold Imperial Grand Master Cat
Titles are gained by collecting a set amount of certificates per title across different shows. Reports are issued within the 28 days following a show, giving a judge's feedback on the cats they judged.

All pens are dressed with 'show whites', and the show is closed to exhibitors and the public between 10am - 12:30pm (or 1pm depending on the show), to ensure safe judging and anonymity for the main Open and Title classes.

Shows vary in cost, but generally a basic show entry will include penning, a main class, the best of breed, and two side classes. One can expect an entry for a single cat in a single pen, with a catalogue, to be around £50. This price includes any rosettes or prize cards you might win.

TICA

TICA is currently the world's largest registry of pedigree cats, and its headquarters are in Texas, USA.

Recognised breeds

TICA currently recognises 71 different breeds, more information can be found on each breed here. Championship breeds in TICA are as follows:

  • Abyssinian
  • American Bobtail (longhair and shorthair)
  • American Curl (longhair and shorthair)
  • American Shorthair
  • American Wirehair
  • Australian Mist
  • Balinese
  • Bengal (longhair and shorthair)
  • Birman
  • Bombay
  • British Shorthair (incl. British Longhair)
  • Burmese
  • Burmilla (longhair and shorthair)
  • Chartreux
  • Chausie
  • Cornish Rex
  • Cymric
  • Devon Rex
  • Donskoy
  • Egyptian Mau
  • Exotic Shorthair
  • Havana
  • Himalayan
  • Japanese Bobtail (longhair and shorthair)
  • Khaomanee
  • Korat
  • Kurilian Bobtail (longhair and shorthair)
  • La Perm (incl shorthair)
  • Maine Coon (including polydactyl)
  • Manx
  • Minuet (incl longhair)
  • Munchkin (incl longhair)
  • Nebelung
  • Norwegian Forest Cat
  • Ocicat
  • Oriental (longhair and shorthair)
  • Persian
  • Peterbald
  • Pixiebob (incl longhair)
  • RagaMuffin
  • Ragdoll
  • Russian Blue
  • Savannah
  • Scottish Fold (incl longhair)
  • Scottish Straight (incl longhair)
  • Selkirk Rex (incl longhair)
  • Siamese
  • Siberian
  • Singpura
  • Snowshoe
  • Somali
  • Sphynx
  • Thai
  • Toyger
  • Tonkinese
  • Turkish Angora
  • Turkish Van

Breeding with TICA


Prefixes or suffixes can be purchased from TICA via their website. Breeders must have purchased a prefix or suffix in order to register kittens, and kittens can only be registered from Active Register matings.

Clubs in TICA

Similarly to GCCF, some clubs under TICA run cat an annual show per club throughout the year. Unlike GCCF, TICA club members generally have a role in running the club, membership of clubs is not an open invitation. A list of clubs in the UK can be found here, blue listed clubs are show-holders.

Showing with TICA

The TICA calendar can be found here. The calendar lists events held across the world under TICA, but a simple Ctrl + F and typing in UK will help identify UK shows.

TICA shows are ring judged, and each show has its own number of rings. This means that cats are taken up to the ring when their classes are called, and are judged with the public being able to view and hear feedback. Exhibitors can either purchase their own show pen, or hire one at the show. Each TICA show has breed sections for pedigrees, and a section for Household Pet. Cats must be registered with TICA to gain titles, but can enter one show as a means to try it out.

Titles in TICA are split between Champion for breeding pedigree cats, Alter for neutered pedigree cats, and Master for Household Pets:

  • Champion / Alter / Master
  • Grand Champion / Grand Alter / Grand Master
  • Double Grand Champion / Double Grand Alter / Double Grand Master
  • Triple Grand Champion / Triple Grand Alter / Triple Grand Master
  • Quadruple Grand Champion / Quadruple Grand Alter / Quadruple Grand Master
  • Supreme Grand Champion / Supreme Grand Alter / Supreme Grand Master

Shows under TICA will typically be two or three days in length, with a set number of rings on each day. Points are awarded in each ring, and titles are gained when a cat gains the appropriate amount of points.

TICA shows typically cost around £50 per day which includes all rings and resulting rosettes. TICA exhibitors typically provide their own penning, but pens can be hired at the show if necessary.

More information on showing with TICA can be found here.


FIFe

FIFe, or Fédération Internationale Féline, is a predominantly European cat registry body, with members from 40 different countries including members from the Middle East, the Americas, and Asia. Felis Britannica is a UK-based organisation which represents a federation of cat clubs across the UK, all of whom are a part of FIFe.

Recognised breeds

FIFe currently recognises 48 different breeds, these are:

  • Abyssinian
  • American Curl (longhair & shorthair)
  • Balinese
  • Bengal
  • British Shorthair
  • British Longhair
  • Burmilla
  • Burmese
  • Chartreux
  • Cornish Rex
  • Cymric
  • Devon Rex
  • Don Sphynx
  • Egyptian Mau
  • European
  • Exotic
  • German Rex
  • Japanese Bobtail
  • Kurilian Bobtail (longhair & shorthair)
  • Korat
  • LaPerm (longhair & shorthair)
  • Maine Coon
  • Manx
  • Neva Masquerade
  • Norwegian Forest Cat
  • Ocicat
  • Oriental Longhair
  • Oriental Shorthair
  • Persian
  • Peterbald
  • Ragdoll
  • Russian Blue
  • Sacred Birman
  • Selkirk Rex (longhair & shorthair)
  • Siamese
  • Siberian
  • Singapura
  • Snowshoe
  • Sokoke
  • Somali
  • Sphynx
  • Thai
  • Turkish Angora
  • Turkish Van
More information on recognised breeds can be found here.

Breeding with FIFe

In order to gain a cattery name under FIFe, breeders must be members of the member organisation of their home country. In the UK, breeders must apply to Felis Britannica. In order to apply through Felis Britannica, breeders must be a full member of a club belonging to Felis Britannica. Kittens can also be registered under an administration prefix if the breeder does not yet have a cattery name.

Similarly to the previous registries, only kittens from Active Register parents can be registered.

More information on registering under Felis Britannica can be found here.

Clubs in FIFe

There are three recognised clubs under FIFe, the Viking Cat Club, the Garden of England club, and The Scottish Cat Association. Each club is all breed, so all breeds recognised under FIFe are accepted into the clubs.

Clubs affiliated with Felis Britannica can be found here.

Showing with FIFe

Shows are held by the three clubs throughout the year and at various different locations throughout the UK. The show calendar can be found here.

FIFe shows are ring judged, and exhibitors are required to take their cats to the appropriate ring for judging when called. Exhibitors and the public are able to hear feedback as the cats are judged, and shows have sections for all recognised breeds. In order to claim titles, cats must be registered with FIFe.

Titles are given to breeding and neutered cats only, household pets do not gain titles under FIFe. Titles for breeding cats are Champion, and titles for neuters are Premier. The title levels are:
  • Champion / Premier
  • International Champion / International Premier
  • Grand International Champion / Grand International Premier
  • Supreme Champion / Supreme Premier
FIFe shows typically run across two days. Titles are obtained by gaining certificates at each level, where only one certificate can be issued per winning cat per day. If three certificates are needed, cats are required to enter three different days. If a cat needs one certificate and gains it on the first day, they can be upgraded to the next title class for the second day.

Note: GCCF cats can be shown under FIFe, more information can be found on the link given below.

Shows are approximately £60 standard fee for two days, with an early bird option. This includes a metal pen, a catalogue on show day, and a single exhibitor admission. Exhibitors are able to decorate their pens or provide their own.

More information on showing with FIFe can be found here.

CFA

The CFA is a relatively new registry in the UK but is very popular internationally. It has over 600 member clubs and holds roughly 400 shows worldwide in their show season.

Recognised breeds

The CFA recognises 42 breeds, these are:

  • Abyssinian
  • American Bobtail
  • American Curl
  • American Shorthair
  • American Wirehair
  • Balinese
  • Bengal
  • Birman
  • Bombay
  • British Shorthair
  • Burmese
  • Burmilla
  • Chartreux
  • Colourpoint Shorthair
  • Cornish Rex
  • Devon Rex
  • Egyptian Mau
  • European Burmese
  • Exotic
  • Havana Brown
  • Japanese Bobtail
  • Korat
  • La Perm
  • Maine Coon
  • Manx
  • Norwegian Forest Cat
  • Ocicat
  • Oriental
  • Persian
  • Ragamuffin
  • Ragdoll
  • Russian Blue
  • Scottish Fold
  • Selkirk Rex
  • Siamese
  • Siberian
  • Singpura
  • Somali
  • Sphynx
  • Tonkinese
  • Turkish Angora
  • Turkish Van
More information on CFA breeds can be found here.

Breeding with CFA

Cattery names under CFA can be purchased through their website, and must be renewed every 5 years. As with all registries, only kittens born from Active Register parents can be registered. More information can be found here.

Clubs in CFA

Similarly to the other registries, clubs represent members in the CFA. Members of the public are welcome to join CFA-affiliated clubs. There are currently two clubs in the UK, information on which can be found here and here. At the time of writing, only one club holds shows, of which there are two this year (2018).

Showing with CFA

As stated above, there are currently only two shows available under CFA in the UK. There are more worldwide. Information on UK shows can be found on the club page.

CFA shows are also ring judged, and shows have anything from 4 to 12 rings. Cat are awarded titles based on a points system, although this is a different points system to that of TICA. Household pets can be shown but do not compete for titles.

Entire cats obtain can obtain the following titles:
  • Champion
  • Grand Champion
Neutered cats can obtain the following titles:
  • Premier
  • Grand Premier
More information on titling under CFA can be found here.

Entry to the show is £60 for the two days, and includes rings but not penning. There are opportunities for cheaper early bird entry and subsequent cats entered also receive discounts. Exhibitors are able to decorate their hired pens or provide their own.

This concludes the post, if anyone feels I have missed anything please do let me know :)
 
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With TICA you can become a Member which entitles you to vote on certain matters such as who your Regional Director will be and get discounts on almost everything from kitten registrations to certified pedigrees. You can become a member for 1 year, 5 years or for life with prices ranging from $40 for 1 year, $180 for 5 years and $1000 for lifetime membership. However, you do not have to be a member to register kittens or show with TICA. Although an international registry, TICA is based in the USA so all prices are in US dollars.

Cattery (Prefix) Registration (One-Time Only Fee) (member) $75.00, (non member) $80.00
Cattery Suffix (Per Addition or Deletion on an Existing Registration) $10.00
Online Breeder Listing $25.00

Registration of a Cat/Kitten (Without Litter Registration-Certified Pedigree Required) (member) $20.00, (non member) $20.00
Registration of a Cat/Kitten (From Litter Registration) (member) $10.00, (non member) $12.00
Registration of a Litter (Dam and Sire TICA Registered) (member) $13.00, (non member) $15.00
Registration of a Litter (TICA Dam Only) (Certified Pedigree Required on Sire) $16.00 (member), $18.00 (non member)
Registration of a Household Pet (member) $8.00, (non member) $10.00
Transfer of Ownership (Any Feline) (member) $13.00, (non member) $15.00
Certified Pedigree (Three Generation) (member) $25.00, (non Member) $25.00
Certified Pedigree (Five-Generation) (member) $50.00, (non member) $50.00
Vertical Pedigree Report (Information on the Littermates of your Cat) (member) $10.00, (non member) $10.00

REGISTRATION INCENTIVE NEW TICA CATTERIES: 5 individual cat registrations at $15 PLUS a Cattery Registration for $40, Additional Registrations (over 5) $12 each

TITLES
Confirmation (Except Supreme Grand Champion/Alter & Supreme Grand Master) Each Title $5.00
Confirmation (Supreme Grand Champion/Alter & Supreme Grand Master - 8x10 Certificate for Framing) $10.00
Confirmation (Outstanding Dam - 8x10 Laminated Certificate) $20.00
Confirmation (Outstanding Sire - 8x10 Laminated Certificate) $25.00
Confirmation (Lifetime Achievement Award - 8x10 Laminated Certificate) $20.00
Current Scoring Record (On Individual TICA Cats) Each $5.00
Confirmation Report (On Individual TICA Cats) Each $10.00
 
#85 ·
If the prices are only in dollars, presumably they vary according to the value of the £.

Can you clarify some of this? Am I right in thinking that a registration without litter registration is only for those who have not bred the cat themselves or can a breeder just register perhaps one or two in a litter and then provide a certified pedigree and have no litter registration? (I think this illustrates how we sometimes assume things are crystal clear because we have known these things for so long.)
 
#89 ·
If the prices are only in dollars, presumably they vary according to the value of the £.
You will always pay TICA $75 for a prefix. The £ you end up having to pay your end will depend on the exchange rate.

Can you clarify some of this? Am I right in thinking that a registration without litter registration is only for those who have not bred the cat themselves or can a breeder just register perhaps one or two in a litter and then provide a certified pedigree and have no litter registration? (I think this illustrates how we sometimes assume things are crystal clear because we have known these things for so long.)
In TICA you can just register the litter. You are then given Blue Slips which have all the kittens details except a name. You give the blue slip to the kittens owners who can then register the kitten with a name of their choosing. However, I prefer to both register the litter then register each kitten before homing them.

Why should they be able to change the name of the cat?
I don't know why they should, I only know that a cat's prefix/suffix can be changed from one cattery name to another, and reregistered under the new cattery name regardless of who bred it. I can't understand the point in such an option, I only know that it's an available option.
You can never change the name of a cat in TICA, however an owner may add a suffix to a cats name, for example:
.
There are three breeders: Mrs A (Whiskers), Mrs B (Mittens) & Mrs C (Fluffy)
Mrs A breeds a cat called Whiskers Paddy.
Mrs B buys him and adds a suffix so he is now Whiskers Paddy of Mittens.
A while later Mrs B sells him to Mrs C who changes the suffix to her own, so the cat is now Whiskers Paddy of Fluffy

You cannot remove the breeders prefix. Adding suffixes is very common in the US.
 
#86 ·
My understanding of individual cat registration without litter registrations is for when breeders change the affix or suffix of the cat to their own, even though they haven't bred them themselves
 
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#87 ·
We are going to have to be very careful to mention the registry whenever we make a comment. Presumably you mean in TICA in answer to my question.

Why should they be able to change the name of the cat?
 
#93 ·
Is just registering a litter the same as declaring kittens in GCCF although you would probably not declare a whole litter in GCCF.
Its similar yes. The breeder fills in all the details, sire, dam, date of birth, colour and sex of each kitten. TICA assigns a registration number to each kitten and then sends the breeder a slip for each kitten. These slips can be given to the new owners for them to register their own kitten or, the breeder can register each kitten before they give it to its new owners.
 
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#91 ·
Not sure how relevant but just for your information and from the perspective of a kitten purchaser..

I tried to report a breeder who was registered with Tica for lying about gene testing on their website. Unfortunately I have conclusive evidence that they did.
I had no response from the registry at all despite both writing and emailing them and the cattery still continues to be registered with Tica to this day, although the breeder is now her daughter. I know there are probably some unethical breeders within the GCCF but I wouldn't trust a Tica only registered breeder with a barge pole based on my experience.
 
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#92 ·
Not sure how relevant but just for your information and from the perspective of a kitten purchaser..

I tried to report a breeder who was registered with Tica for lying about gene testing on their website. Unfortunately I have conclusive evidence that they did.
I had no response from the registry at all despite both writing and emailing them and the cattery still continues to be registered with Tica to this day, although the breeder is now her daughter. I know there are probably some unethical breeders within the GCCF but I wouldn't trust a Tica only registered breeder with a barge pole based on my experience.
I think we need to get on to the attitudes of the different registries to health testing at a later date because it could become really complicated. Bear with us!
 
#100 ·
@huckybuck if you have cats from gene tested n/n lines the way through the pedigree then biology would dictate that no resulting kittens would be able to be positive or carriers. This reasoning is what some MC breeders use to not test their breeding cats - parents, grandparents, great grandparents are all n/n so all cats produced in that line will be n/n. This isn't something I agree with as tests are cheap in the grand scheme of breeding, so I think it would have depended on the wording on the website.
 
#106 ·
I thought it would be better in Cat Chat as I think many people bypass Breeding thinking it's only a section for breeding. Whilst it would tidier in Breeding, the section doesn't get as much traffic so the thread could be very easily missed.
 
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#107 ·
I think it would be important if we could all agree on what points to put in this thread, so we can each then start adding to the thread in a relevant way. What differences are we highlighting if it's for the purposes of educating new kitten owners?

For me it would be:
  • Registration cost
  • Breeds available (with a small list of relevant tests)
  • Links to club lists
  • Links to show calendars and a brief overview of show set up (I think many owners think showing is just for breeders and encouraging folk to go to shows would do no harm)
I can't think of anything else at the moment, I expect you all will have more ideas.
 
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#108 ·
I think it is a good idea to show what all the registries actually require from those who register kittens with them because it seems to vary considerably. They all fall short of what most of us would like to see. Of course this may be different when people who are members contribute because the TICA and FIFe websites don't give much relevant information and the CFA seems even more vague.

We may be able to show that a registered kitten is only a guarantee of a limited number of things.

I think that FIFe is the same as GCCF in that the clubs are members not individuals. I think TICA has individual members but so far I cannot find the CFA setup.
 
#110 ·
I think those are all excellent ideas, perhaps we could assign a registry to one or two users so there's focus and direction, instead of us all chipping in small bits and it becomes confusing
 
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#111 ·
I have updated the first post with GCCF info. It's taken a few hours in between sorting out my small humans, so I'll get TICA, FIFe, and CFA done gradually throughout the week. GCCF has been the easiest as it's the registry I know, the others may take a little longer so you will all need to bear with me. If I've missed anything you feel is important, or something could be clarified or explained better, let me know and I'll try and rejig.
 
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#112 ·
Do other breed registries use breed numbers like GCCF? Are they the same? I don't think putting all the numbers in is essential just wondered if an example would be good?

I know GCCF has things like reference, experimental and supplementary register. Is this the same as other registries?
 
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#113 ·
I think that details of each registry should be done by someone who actually knows and understands that registry i.e. is a direct user. There has already been some misinformation posted.

@Psygon FIFE also uses EMS but GCCF being GCCF they use it in a slightly different way from FIFE. TICA do not use breed/colour numbers. Not sure about CFA.
 
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#114 ·
@Tigermoon it would be helpful to know where incorrect information has been given, for example is there incorrect information in the first page post? If so, please identify where and provide the correct information so I can edit accordingly.
 
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#115 ·
@simplysardonic I'm continuing to update the first post but can it be made into a sticky please so I can find it easily? I'm continually making edits so it's not completely finished, but I'm hoping to complete it before Saturday.
 
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#116 ·
The more I investigate the registries, the harder it seems to discover general information. To give one example the only compulsory DNA tests I can see in FIFe are GM in Burmese and Korat and Glycogen Storage disease In Norwegian Forest cats. Does this mean that there is no requirement for testing Persians for PKD?
 
#117 ·
One would assume not if there's no information about it. I think testing is difficult as many tests are recommended as opposed to compulsory. There is compulsory testing in one breed in GCCF, I can't remember which one it is now.
 
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#120 ·
One would assume not if there's no information about it. I think testing is difficult as many tests are recommended as opposed to compulsory. There is compulsory testing in one breed in GCCF, I can't remember which one it is now.
There is compulsory testing in quite a few breeds in GCCF but affected and carrier cats just go on the genetic register and can still be bred.

Asians have compulsory testing for hypokalaemic polymyopathy and no risky matings are allowed since this month, January 2018.

All GCCF white cats must be tested clear of deafness before being used for breeding but there is still a risk they can produce deaf kittens.
 
#121 ·
Asians, that was the one I was thinking of and couldn't remember.

The same rule is true under TICA for white cats too, proof of hearing must be sent to TICA before a kitten can go onto the Active Register. There's an organisation (university maybe?) in Derby that tests deafness for free as part of their research into deafness in white cats. Quite a way to go for some but handy if you're fairly local.
 
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