Well that is what I said ages ago we all like different things. But someone picked up I was having a go when I was having an opinion. I don't know why people are bothering discussing all this as my thread just asked about being awarded 1sts. I hate when people never post and appear just to have their say. Gccf used to be fine for so many!

Then i don't honestly understand why you keep going over the same ground if you don't want peoples opinions and views based on experience and understanding,for us let me again say we personally enjoy showing under all 3 councils for different reasons,also for me Vicki unless i am told differently i will post when i want,where i want and when i have something to say be it once a year or all day long every day because thats what forums are for discussion and sharing different views,i picked up on what you said not because it was you,though not surprising that it was,but because imo you unlike Saiks and Soupie do not again imo make valid points,so felt it was unfair to post what you did and based on imo an uniformed with no or little understanding of what you are talking about,so felt that your post was either to goad which it did and shame on me for biting,either way felt it tried to belittle or undermine titles earn't at Tica shows

 

what a surprise all these comments and you quote me, I ACTUALLY DO know what I'm talking about, at least I actually go to the shows :thumbup1:

 

Then i don't honestly understand why you keep going over the same ground if you don't want peoples opinions and views based on experience and understanding,for us let me again say we personally enjoy showing under all 3 councils for different reasons,also for me Vicki unless i am told differently i will post when i want,where i want and when i have something to say be it once a year or all day long every day because thats what forums are for discussion and sharing different views,i picked up on what you said not because it was you,though not surprising that it was,but because imo you unlike Saiks and Soupie do not again imo make valid points,so felt it was unfair to post what you did and based on imo an uniformed with no or little understanding of what you are talking about,so felt that your post was either to goad which it did and shame on me for biting,either way felt it tried to belittle or undermine titles earn't at Tica shows

Also not the same ground, my first question was brand spanking new and I wanted to know the answer and someone did answer and maybe the post should have stopped there :scared:

 

Then i don't honestly understand why you keep going over the same ground if you don't want peoples opinions and views based on experience and understanding,for us let me again say we personally enjoy showing under all 3 councils for different reasons,also for me Vicki unless i am told differently i will post when i want,where i want and when i have something to say be it once a year or all day long every day because thats what forums are for discussion and sharing different views,i picked up on what you said not because it was you,though not surprising that it was,but because imo you unlike Saiks and Soupie do not again imo make valid points,so felt it was unfair to post what you did and based on imo an uniformed with no or little understanding of what you are talking about,so felt that your post was either to goad which it did and shame on me for biting,either way felt it tried to belittle or undermine titles earn't at Tica shows

and so i am only allowed to make valid points yet you can say what you like?

 

and so i am only allowed to make valid points yet you can say what you like?

Don't be silly B,but yes i will as i choose to or not respond,we can do that without getting huffy can't we?

 

I hate when people never post and appear just to have their say.

How terribly awful of me

 

That wasn't aimed at you I never even knew you were a member

 

I think the reason most people post is to have a say? I don't post on all the threads as sometimes silence is better than what I want to say :laugh:

 

Okey dokey

 

There's nothing like a good debate to get the old girl gangs trucking through cyber space :biggrin:

 

Well I apologise for simply asking the question, I didn't realize it would annoy so many people! :001_tt2:

 

what a surprise all these comments and you quote me, I ACTUALLY DO know what I'm talking about, at least I actually go to the shows :thumbup1:

Ya got me their B,shock revelation i never have said any different,and that imo tells me a lot as it would appear i have better understanding and knowledge of the councils than you who's attended 1 tica and a few gccf shows and still haven't quite grasped it jmo As for you not scraping the same old ground...beg to differ as you do start the same threads time and again with a little break in between and the same peeps on different forums give the same answers sometimes maybe a little different as views do change,maybe your right on this occasion the words in this thread starter were possibly brand spanking new and shiny,so pat on the back for that

 

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Thankyou B,i do look forward to your posts

 

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Well the first step to moving forward is admitting the problem,you'll get their V,it takes a big girl to do this....well done hun

 

Just bringing this back on topic, and again with my devils advocate hat on. A lot has been made of cat count for title wins under TICA. I think 90 was mentioned. I can only find one UK show in the last 2 years were their entire cat count was near that figure. If you finalled in an all breed final in those sort of numbers then thats an acheivement, but is it any more than a Best Overall Exhibit within the GCCF in a show of several hundred, for which the cat isn't given a specific title, just the acolade at that moment, and who has had to impressed more than one judge on the day to achieve that award.

The number of cats eligible for a SP ring can in number be commensurate with a Best of Variety win under the GCCF, for which again a GCCF cat gets no lasting title.

Best Overall/BOV wins would include cats kittens and neuters/alters of both sexes similar to a ring situation.

Maybe more should be made under the GCCF of multiple BIS/BOV winners

 

sorry for interrupting. but is there any big Tica show coming soon?

 

sorry for interrupting. but is there any big Tica show coming soon?

If you put TICA UK into google, their site will come up. There is a show diary listed on there.

 

If you put TICA UK into google, their site will come up. There is a show diary listed on there.

thank you

i saw this oone:
14/15 Feb 2009
Bracknell Leisure Centre
Bagshot Road
Bracknell, RG12 9SE
Two day back to back show, 12 rings
Cattica Cat Club or 01434 684520 Entries close 23 Jan 2009

is it includes all the breeds?

 

I am more GCCF, but yes I believe it is all breeds.

 

Well the first step to moving forward is admitting the problem,you'll get their V,it takes a big girl to do this....well done hun

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Just bringing this back on topic, and again with my devils advocate hat on. A lot has been made of cat count for title wins under TICA. I think 90 was mentioned. I can only find one UK show in the last 2 years were their entire cat count was near that figure. If you finalled in an all breed final in those sort of numbers then thats an acheivement, but is it any more than a Best Overall Exhibit within the GCCF in a show of several hundred, for which the cat isn't given a specific title, just the acolade at that moment, and who has had to impressed more than one judge on the day to achieve that award.

The number of cats eligible for a SP ring can in number be commensurate with a Best of Variety win under the GCCF, for which again a GCCF cat gets no lasting title.

Best Overall/BOV wins would include cats kittens and neuters/alters of both sexes similar to a ring situation.

Maybe more should be made under the GCCF of multiple BIS/BOV winners

Yes but Saikou the titles in GCCF are often won with only handful of cats in the classes - some titles are won with no competition whatsoever.

It is not possible to compare the two systems of showing in the way you are doing above and say this equates to this and that as they are both so very different ..... the way of judging and the way of rewarding is so different. One might argue that beating the same number of cats which in gccf is a BOV win just to win a title in TICA makes the TICA title harder to achieve - note I am not saying this but turning your argument round to look at it from another aspect.

Trying to compare TICA titles with BOV/BIS wins at GCCF just doesn't stack up as the two are different animals.

 

It equates exactly if GCCF granted additional titles for BIS/BOV wins! As you have said you can not equate titles exactly, so turning round and saying a TICA supreme title is worth more than a GCCF Imperial title - which has been stated on here is not equating 2 "different animals" and comparing them ? On that basis an GCCF Imperial with just one BOV win is more than comparable to a TICA supreme.

You may well be the only cat in your class, but to gain a certificate under the GCCF you have to match a prescribed SOP, if considered not to come up to that standard, then that certificate is not awarded and the cat comes away with nothing. Under TICA if you are the only one in your colour and division then you come away with points, and are pretty much guaranteed those points in every ring. To gain a ch title you then only have to final - that could be 10s, out of 30 cats but the overall number to be considered for finals as I understand it comes from BOB winners. So the number you up against is further reduced.

I am not trying to say one registry is better than the other or harder than the other like others have stated on here, just putting an alternative point of view to TICA is defintely much harder because you have to beat every cat in a ring and you can get 1 GCCF certificate if you are the only one in the class.

I like the TICA format, but prefer the GCCF 'standards'. People like TICA because it does have for some people instant gratification, not obtainable at a GCCF show. Judgements are further coloured by the fact they have the 'type' of cat that suits TICA and not the GCCF. All in all that doesn't make one registry BETTER than the other, just better suited to the particular cat.

Just one further point on temperament as well, because earlier someone implied that TICA cats have to have outstanding temperaments because of the format. Under any registry if your cat can not handle being taken in and out of a pen in a noisy hall by you or a stranger then no matter how great he/she looks imo that is not a show cat.

 

Well I have maintained throughout that neither is better/easier/harder than the other just different. I just don't think trying to compare two different systems is helpful. I accept them both for what they are

one point though in TICA the top 3 BOB ie 1st 2nd and 3rd BOB winners can final in the same ring and in fact in one ring at the weekend the top 3 Maine Coons finalled as they were considered better than 1st BOB winners in other breeds .....