Hiya,

If your cat is good enough you will get the points for colour and division then yes, but you will be judged against the rest of your breed for best in breed, there are other Tica exhibitors on here that can probably advise you better.

Are you going to try another one? With the right show team i think you will enjoy it lots. We have one Tica show every two years over here so I have a long wait lol!

Izzie

 

Yes, but what I mean is say you have 1 siamese alter at the show. He is a seal point.

As there is only 1 seal point alter, solid divison and 1 siamese would you always be given 1st for each as you are the only one.

It's unlikely I will show with TICA again unless I have some spare money as it would only be for a crack as to me it's not that serious.

 

No necessarily Vicky, a Bengal this weekend got sent from the ring and not awarded any points because of its temperament.

And even if you get points you then need to final to get titles - some cats final easily and others will go a few shows with only one final etc etc

 

Thanks for that Soupie. I thought that surely they can't just award 1st all the time. It was just a comment I heard from a Judge at the xmas show. Though I think he was just joking around with what he said. I was just checking.

 

Hi,

It can also be harder for a cat on its own to final! Some people feel that Tica shows are to easy as far as getting titles is concerned but it is very hard to get finals, the standard at the tica shows has gone up and up over the years, the all breed finals are the hardest to get into.

Izzie

 

Right I see that makes sense. So finals are actually hard to get into?

 

My understanding is if you are the only one in your colour and division and have no faults like for siamese kinked tail, squint etc and don't try to eat the judge, then you will get a 1st. There are no w/hs the same way there are in the GCCF.

You do score points for those wins, but I agree you do need to final to gain a title, but again - in some instances - that is easier than it seems.

 

Good job they don't w/h for hissing at the scratch post they use! :hand:

 

When I've shown Burmese I've usually been the only one - so yes it can be really easy to get best of colour and division, although at one show my red neuter boy beat a SGCA choc girl for division twice
finalling with a Burmese though is not at all easy as the TICA standard is very different to GCCF's and FIFe's - this is the main reason why I don't do many TICA shows, it's not much fun going to a show knowing you have very little chance of winning anything.

Yes, but what I mean is say you have 1 siamese alter at the show. He is a seal point.

As there is only 1 seal point alter, solid divison and 1 siamese would you always be given 1st for each as you are the only one.

It's unlikely I will show with TICA again unless I have some spare money as it would only be for a crack as to me it's not that serious.

 

flippin waste of money too lol. I guess alot of us wouldn't show anywhere if we thought we weren't in with a teeny chance of winning.

I like the Tica shows cos they are totally crazy,I took three for the last one,two of which were in the same class because i wanted to see which was more the tica type. It was totally crazy, it took me a week to get over it, thank god I didn't do two days lol!

Izzie

 

Hmmm after this weekend I don't think it is necessarily easy to final ......

It depends on the cat counts and quality of cats out there and I know that in some AB rings at TICA you can have 90 entire cats - do people honestly think it is easy to get in the top 10 out of 90 cats?

I also think it depends on the competition there that weekend. It was harder this weekend for my curly to final that it was on his debut when he was a very immature and out of coat .... competition was less at his first show than this weekend where lots of people were chasing points for international and regional wins?

 

I think it depends on quality as you have said and also numbers in each specific breed. Plus it depends what 'standards' get applied.

If I compare the breeds I work with to GCCF 'standards'. From that respect, TICA seems easier to me because they appear to be more relaxed about SOPs, accepting what I would consider to be 'bad points' ie eye colour, coat pattern, ear set etc that the GCCF would not ignore. I am sure someone who is wholey TICA viewing GCCF cats with a TICA eye would think the same thing but the other way round.

In that respect looking at TICA from a GCCF side, I have seen some cats easily gain titles under TICA who would definitely struggle under the GCCF.

 

From that aspect then yes they might gain titles where they would not under GCCF and that would make it easier. Having a breed where coat colour and pattern are irrelevant makes me forget about the emphasis in other breeds sorry

For my breed the TICA standard is very similar to the GCCF one as the GCCF one was designed with the TICA one as a starting point. There are subtle differences particularly the weighting for type and coat

My boy who Supremed under TICA has also done very well in GCCF as well so I hope when we can gain titles with GCCF in June he will keep doing as well.

 

I think it depends on quality as you have said and also numbers in each specific breed. Plus it depends what 'standards' get applied.

If I compare the breeds I work with to GCCF 'standards'. From that respect, TICA seems easier to me because they appear to be more relaxed about SOPs, accepting what I would consider to be 'bad points' ie eye colour, coat pattern, ear set etc that the GCCF would not ignore. I am sure someone who is wholey TICA viewing GCCF cats with a TICA eye would think the same thing but the other way round.

In that respect looking at TICA from a GCCF side, I have seen some cats easily gain titles under TICA who would definitely struggle under the GCCF.

I agree that in TICA they are more relaxed on colour and coat pattern (except for Abby's, Somali's and Bengals) but Titles are a different matter. To achive titles you must get into finals and to do that you have to beat a lot of different types of cats and as the majority of judges are from Europe or the US they see different breed standards all the time. To Supreme is very difficult as you will have to be selected as the Best cat in a ring.

 

A cat I bred Supremed at TICA in 3 straight shows. Would have been 2 if the Sunday and Saturday results were reversed and his best cat awards fell on the Sunday rather than the Saturday. That said I can be objective and say that I know he would more than likely struggle to make Imperial under the GCCF and it would have taken him a while to get there, if at all.

What irritates is at the time he acheived that title the same people that are now saying how hard it is to win titles under TICA, mainly because they are disgruntled with the GCCF for one reason or another, poo pooed it as an easy achievement and a title that didn't mean anything. Nowt as queer as folk

 

Easy or hard it just seems silly that a cat can get that sort of title in one weekend! Weldone by the way in breeding said cat :thumbup: Least with the GCCF it takes time and feels more deserved as you've had to go to various parts of the country etc to get it. Not just one show one weekend. Where is the fun in that!

 

Easy or hard it just seems silly that a cat can get that sort of title in one weekend! Weldone by the way in breeding said cat :thumbup: Least with the GCCF it takes time and feels more deserved as you've had to go to various parts of the country etc to get it. Not just one show one weekend. Where is the fun in that!

Sorry b,how so does it feel more deserved with Gccf than TicaThe fun imo would be with all 3-FB,Tica and Gccf as they are all different,and believe me when i say and i am defiant in that no titles earn't with Tica are "easy" and not earn't with the snap of a twizzle stickgaining points means nada if your cat doesn't final so yes not every show is huge but big enough and the competition and quality is superb,just done differently and think it's incredible that anyone can say such a statement as for travelling....again Tica shows are not all held in one part of the country,you do have to travel sometimes near and sometimes far which costs money and takes time with them being held in various parts of the country up and down I suppose it depends on your cat really and what you want from a show etc,as you say if your only in it for the crack and your not understanding of the shows and how they work then yes i can see why you'd want to stick with just the Gccf,for us all 3 are great fun for different reasonsSoupie couldn't agree more in that It depends on the cat counts and quality of cats out there and I know that in some AB rings at TICA you can have 90 entire cats - do people honestly think it is easy to get in the top 10 out of 90 cats?..exactly

 

Because it takes longer in my opinion

 

Well the other side of the coin Vicky is that each of the TICA rings is in effect an open class.

Mister F took 24 rings to become a Supreme Grand Champion with TICA - it's just the rings are crammed in a short time period ..... Not ALL cats Supreme quickly or in two shows etc - there were some at the weekend who had been trying for a long time to Supreme .....

On the other hand Mister F could if he is lucky and up to that standard and all goes well obtain an Imperial title with GCCF by doing 3 open classes, 3 grand classes and 5 imperial classes so a total of 11 classes - they will just be spread out over a longer time period.

 

No I understand all that. Just personally I would find it more fun to chase a title over a longer period of time like the GCCF, and prefer it that way. I know with TICA you then show in order to get more points and go up the ladder etc but my preference...

 

Just to play devils advocate here, as I do not think overall that either registry is blanket easier or harder, there are swings and roundabouts on both sides, but seeing as the gist of some of the posts on this are that is definitely harder to gain a top title under TICA than the GCCF (remembering I am playing devils advocate before you aim your AK47s in my direction )

• In the eyes of the rest of the TICA world as the UK still on isolated status meaning they only have to gain half the number of points than that of our European/US counterparts, doesn’t that make it easier for TICA UK to ultimately gain titles ?
• If TICA exhibitors feel their titles are more hard fought, why don’t they prefix their titles with (TICA) ? I have seen lists of TICA supremes nestled up against GCCF supremes – on the face of it same title Supreme Grand Champion, but if cat count is everything, realistically which is the harder fought, the cat who has won a ring out of 90 cats ( and it doesn’t have to be that number) in one judges opinion or the cat that has been declared best cat in a count of 1200 – 1300 having had to impress 5 different judges on the same day. Listing all those together for those TICA exhibitors who have only just migrated and were previously GCCF isn’t there the tiniest possibility of trying to claim a little of the GCCFs Supreme winners kudos ?
• Just taking the lower titles, a cat can make Ch fairly easily only having to impress 2 different judges, GCCF Ch has to impress 3 different judges. No easy wins if you are the only one in class either with a w/h ability.
• Very hard to do but you can make GCCF Imperial in a minimum of 11 shows, but you would have had to impress a minimum of 5 different judges (in reality far more than that) to attain that award. Technically you can get way with only having to impress 2? (or maybe 4) judges to get your TICA supreme. My understanding is that you can supreme by winning a SP ring, doesn’t have to be an AB ring so the cat count is potentially drastically reduced.

Just as another observation, realistically if a judge has 90 cats to see for one ring – how much notice of each cat can they humanly take in and remember? Or are TICA judges more super human than GCCF judges – JOKE!!!!

 

I don't think it is harder to gain a top title under TICA just that it is not the walk in the park some people think it is.

And I love GCCF and show a lot with them. My Selkirk has performed well in both registries and on my website I clearly state his title is a TICA one.

I don't think either registry is easier than the other to achieve high titles - they are both very different. I still feel my boy's TICA Supreme title is an achievement regardless of the fact some people seem to think it is relatively easy to achieve. I hate it when people knock people's achievements - I would never dream of saying to someone whose cat got a GCCF champion title that it was easy because they were the only one in the class each time ..... so itfrustrates me that people are happy to slag off another registry because the format is different.

 

so itfrustrates me that people are happy to slag off another registry because the format is different.

I completely agree, but there is alot of GCCF bashing at present (not necessarily from here!) by people who are disgruntled with them for one reason or another and have decided to swap to a different registry. All of a sudden, despite having had showed GCCF for years and been happy with everything, suddenly the GCCF man handle the cats, is too political (that applies to every registry once you get used to it), awards only given to judges friends, shows are unfriendly blah blah blah and suddenly because they have moved everyone else should because TICA is so much better and so much friendlier and the titles so much harder to obtain, and anyone who shows GCCF doesn't care about their cat. Believe me I have seen those sentiments expressed in more than one place.

At the end of the day its horses for courses. I would happily show under all 3 registries but not necessarily the same cat(s) at all three as for my breeds I do think they place the 'emphasis' on different different 'qualities'.

 

Well I love GCCF shows and enjoy them. I have shown all 3 of my curlies in both TICA and GCCF and will do so quite happily. Interestingly enough my boy who hasn't done so well as the others doesn't do so well in either of the two registries I have shown my cats in.....

 

Just to play devils advocate here, as I do not think overall that either registry is blanket easier or harder, there are swings and roundabouts on both sides, but seeing as the gist of some of the posts on this are that is definitely harder to gain a top title under TICA than the GCCF (remembering I am playing devils advocate before you aim your AK47s in my direction )

• In the eyes of the rest of the TICA world as the UK still on isolated status meaning they only have to gain half the number of points than that of our European/US counterparts, doesn’t that make it easier for TICA UK to ultimately gain titles ?
• If TICA exhibitors feel their titles are more hard fought, why don’t they prefix their titles with (TICA) ? I have seen lists of TICA supremes nestled up against GCCF supremes – on the face of it same title Supreme Grand Champion, but if cat count is everything, realistically which is the harder fought, the cat who has won a ring out of 90 cats ( and it doesn’t have to be that number) in one judges opinion or the cat that has been declared best cat in a count of 1200 – 1300 having had to impress 5 different judges on the same day. Listing all those together for those TICA exhibitors who have only just migrated and were previously GCCF isn’t there the tiniest possibility of trying to claim a little of the GCCFs Supreme winners kudos ?
• Just taking the lower titles, a cat can make Ch fairly easily only having to impress 2 different judges, GCCF Ch has to impress 3 different judges. No easy wins if you are the only one in class either with a w/h ability.
• Very hard to do but you can make GCCF Imperial in a minimum of 11 shows, but you would have had to impress a minimum of 5 different judges (in reality far more than that) to attain that award. Technically you can get way with only having to impress 2? (or maybe 4) judges to get your TICA supreme. My understanding is that you can supreme by winning a SP ring, doesn’t have to be an AB ring so the cat count is potentially drastically reduced.

Just as another observation, realistically if a judge has 90 cats to see for one ring – how much notice of each cat can they humanly take in and remember? Or are TICA judges more super human than GCCF judges – JOKE!!!!

:thumbup: great post