[clueless]

I'm not that big fan of creating new "breeds" myself, Clueless. But if you have your heart set on it, by all means go for it. I'll just stick to my crossbreeds, thanks

Best wishes,
Linny

Nah no Thanks Linny I will stick to improving my Purebreed Cresteds

 

[Guest]

Everyones opinions are so different, I'd probably say 50% like these oodle, uggle etc breeds (and I've found usually because they own one, so they feel the need to defend it...) and the other 50% don't like them...

There's so many issues on health and why make cross breeds when there's hundreds of accidental crosses in rescue centres... and so on...

No one will ever agree. :tongue:

 

[clueless]

Everyones opinions are so different, I'd probably say 50% like these oodle, uggle etc breeds (and I've found usually because they own one, so they feel the need to defend it...) and the other 50% don't like them...

There's so many issues on health and why make cross breeds when there's hundreds of accidental crosses in rescue centres... and so on...

No one will ever agree. :tongue:

Very true Rose for the Dead But it makes the 21 pages make interesting reading after a nightshift LOL

 

[Guest]

There's so many issues on health and why make cross breeds when there's hundreds of accidental crosses in rescue centres

I dont own a designer dog myself, but i do think the whole "why intentially cross when there are lots in rescues" is a bit redundant as the same could be said for pure breed dogs....
Some breeds are far and few between in rescues, but not JRT's, Patterdales terriers, staffies, rotties, DDB's, Labs.......

Just my two pence worth :001_cool:

edit: i know you werent saying that rose, and was using an example...but i see it said alot

 

[Guinevere13]

I have found, looking at pictures of Labradoodles and actual dogs, that there are similarities in the breed. They have three types of coat, (straight, curly and wool) and those with the same coats do look very similar but all share the same loving, mischievious temperament.

I have owned pedigree dogs in the past, as well as mongrels. None of them were used for the purpose they were originally bred for, they were all family pets. I researched for a long time before we got a Labradoodle and I did so because of the temperament. The fact that I did not know what it would look like when it grew up was not a problem as long as it fitted in with our family, which, I might add, she has. She is a huge hound with an even bigger heart and a lovely woolly coat. An excellent example of her breed.

I am not trying to convince anyone who is against cross breeds that they are the best thing since sliced bread as I know they do not want to be convinced, merely giving my experience of owning a wonderful dog whatever breed she is.

 

[Guest]

I dont own a designer dog myself, but i do think the whole "why intentially cross when there are lots in rescues" is a bit redundant as the same could be said for pure breed dogs....
Some breeds are far and few between in rescues, but not JRT's, Patterdales terriers, staffies, rotties, DDB's, Labs.......

I agree, good post.

 

[Colsy]

Yes i defend my breed just as all of you would defend yours.
My dogs are not designer dogs,mutts or mongrels they are my pets.
I may not like a few breeds of dogs but i am never offensive to anyone.
As i have said before don't like it don't buy it.
But your all never going to give up are you how many threads on this forum have been about the so called designer dogs.
Its very hurtful and there is no need for any of it.

 

[Guest]

But your all never going to give up are you how many threads on this forum have been about the so called designer dogs.

I think for as long as irresponsable people breed these dogs, and give them a silly name and price tag, just to make money - and people buy them, then there will always be issues with it.

Of course I'm not tarring people with the same brush as BYB's... there are some responsable people who do check the health of the dog, and the home means more than the cash, but sadly it seems with these dogs it's just quick cash.

 

[lauren001]

I don't think anyone is against the dogs themselves.

The rationale for breeding them is under question, the health reasons are against doing it and the people who churn them out as they are "fashionable" are definitely questionable.

People always take things so personally, it is not a personal vendetta against owners, it is the bigger picture that needs looking at.

 

[Guest]

I don't think anyone is against the dogs themselves.

The rationale for breeding them is under question, the health reasons are against doing it and the people who churn them out as they are "fashionable" are definitely questionable.

People always take things so personally, it is not a personal vendetta against owners, it is the bigger picture that needs looking at.

Agreed. Good post

 

[Colsy]

So take Elmo then he has no paperwork etc,nothing no health tests.
Should he have been pts?
Yes you class him a designer breed.
I rescued him at a price after he had 3 homes at 20 weeks.
What should i have done with him.
Not bought him ?
I agree there are some bad breeders and this is true with pedigree dogs also.
Good and bad with everything.
Some pedigree dogs have a high price tag as well.
Remember they all were crossed a some stage in their lives.

 

[Dundee]

So take Elmo then he has no paperwork etc,nothing no health tests.
Should he have been pts?

Good heavens, whose suggested he should have been pts?

Remember they all were crossed a some stage in their lives.

I wrote this on another thread, but it applies equally here. Comparing the current trend for breeding crosses and giving them a made up name has absolutely nothing in common with a different breeding being introduced to another during the development of that breed. And yet is seems to be the one thing that people go on about.... all breeds were cross breeds once............

The thoughtful introduction of another breed to introduce certain traits that were considered beneficial to produce a dog better at doing what was required is very different from the current trend in producing these designer crosses.

I'm not sure why people keep saying that all dogs were crossed once as if it justifies the current trend for designer dogs. The two types of breeding are are incomparable.

 

[Colsy]

Its like being on the KKK of the dog world here sometimes.

 

[JANICE199]

Its like being on the KKK of the dog world here sometimes.

Colsy let it go over your head.they say ignorance is bliss and there are a lot of ingnorant people out there.

 

[Guest]

they say ignorance is bliss and there are a lot of ingnorant people out there.

Ain't that the truth!

 

[Guest]

Personnally I think it is important that people are aware of the dangers associated with cross-breeding and I dont feel people here are being abusive.

SOme of the breeders here feel naturally quite strongly about this issue and may express a strong opinion but I do think it is important as there are some health issues involved in cross breeding as well as a lot of misconceptions (for instance most cross breeds are far from being settled into breeds - by definition! - and therefore one cannot speak about a standard as such and thus cannot advise a prospective owner about temperament, allergies, shedding etc it is important to be aware of it!).
There are also reasonable worries that a lot of cross-breeders are in it for the money. When breeds were being developped ethical breeders did not sell the first few generations of pups until the breed was "safe" and settled...

Just like when someone mentions breeding, breeders here come trooping reminding about health test lol it may seem a bit pushy at times but I think it is important and I for one have learnt a lot regarding breeding!!

I dont think anyone is criticising anyone's dog and most of us would take a cross if it needed a home. noone would comment on the particular dog of a particular owner!

I love every (or most dogs I meet but I disagree with the cross-breeding trend. It wont stop me from finding labradoodles and the like around here adorable and love seeing them play with my boy

The "fire" is directed at the cross-breeders not "cross-owners".
I for one bought a SBT without being entirely sure about the health tests done or not on the parents... Now I know better and I will be careful in the future and will test my dog IF i was to consider breeding...
education is the key..

oki im rambling now!

xx

 

[Elmo the Bear]

Good heavens, whose suggested he should have been pts?

I wrote this on another thread, but it applies equally here. Comparing the current trend for breeding crosses and giving them a made up name has absolutely nothing in common with a different breeding being introduced to another during the development of that breed. And yet is seems to be the one thing that people go on about.... all breeds were cross breeds once............

The thoughtful introduction of another breed to introduce certain traits that were considered beneficial to produce a dog better at doing what was required is very different from the current trend in producing these designer crosses.

I'm not sure why people keep saying that all dogs were crossed once as if it justifies the current trend for designer dogs. The two types of breeding are are incomparable.

But at the time the breeders in question were "experimenting" it was exactly the same process as your pereception of cross breeding now... with one big exception; when your "pure breed" was being designed, the designers did not have the benefit of current hip / eye tests, let alone the DNA testing a lot of breeders of cross breeds now use.

So the development of whatever your breed is was bit of luck, some rather ill founded science (eugenics) and a lot of mistakes along the way.

So you are right in a way; the breeding you class as "development" ( which I assume you agree with as it's your breed and therefore must be right) was a bit of pot luck... the cross breeding currently taking place at least has some scientific basis:

- the exception; there are some unethical breeders who do none of this.. that applies to dogs with pieces of paper and those without.

Unless you are saying all dogs on the KC list are ethically correct in all ways (including their history) ?

Sorry ... edited to add:

1. "made up name"....... all names are made up.... someone once made up the name for your breed.

2. "And yet is seems to be the one thing that people go on about.... all breeds were cross breeds once............" yet you do not in anyway refute that position.

3. "Thoughtful introduction" - eugenics... thoughtful? hazardous, without base evidence, a vague experiement.... your evidence being what?

 

[Guest]

But at the time the breeders in question were "experimenting" it was exactly the same process as your pereception of cross breeding now... with one big exception; when your "pure breed" was being designed, the designers did not have the benefit of current hip / eye tests, let alone the DNA testing a lot of breeders of cross breeds now use.

So the development of whatever your breed is was bit of luck, some rather ill founded science (eugenics) and a lot of mistakes along the way.

So you are right in a way; the breeding you class as "development" ( which I assume you agree with as it's your breed and therefore must be right) was a bit of pot luck... the cross breeding currently taking place at least has some scientific basis:

- the exception; there are some unethical breeders who do none of this.. that applies to dogs with pieces of paper and those without.

Unless you are saying all dogs on the KC list are ethically correct in all ways (including their history) ?

Sorry ... edited to add:

1. "made up name"....... all names are made up.... someone once made up the name for your breed.

2. "And yet is seems to be the one thing that people go on about.... all breeds were cross breeds once............" yet you do not in anyway refute that position.

3. "Thoughtful introduction" - eugenics... thoughtful? hazardous, without base evidence, a vague experiement.... your evidence being what?

I understand what your saying and can see both sides of the debate / arguement.
Back then when breeds were been developed a breed standard was already in place,dogs which were close to this were bred from,this carried on from generation to generation when the dogs were breeding true to type,this unfortunatly does not happen today,there is no breed standard,nothing to breed to,no consistancy etc......

We always revert back to the all dogs were once crossed,yes they were,but it was done with alot more thought and consideration than today.

As I stated on a different thread I have no problems with any dog,big or small,crossbreed or pedigree,what I detest is irresponsible breeding this is of all dogs,purebred and crossbreed.

This is why we have rescue crisis,this why so many dogs are awaiting there forever homes in rescue's and worse on death row....Why,because the byb's and Pf's clicked that there was money to be made from breeding,look at my breed,how many SBT's are suffering,how many in rescue,this is the price these individual dogs pay for a breeds popularity.

This is reality,will this happen to these newly formed dogs,breeds ?
Your damn right it will!

 

[JANICE199]

I have never seen so many hypocrites as i've seen on here.How many have said "oh how cute" or " ah how lovely" your pup is, and then to turn tables and start putting in their 2 penniesworth about crossbreeds..
Well for all those that don't like, or don't agree with crossbreeds why bother saying anything?You will never understand from the other persons point of view.

 

[Guest]

I have never seen so many hypocrites as i've seen on here.How many have said "oh how cute" or " ah how lovely" your pup is, and then to turn tables and start putting in their 2 penniesworth about crossbreeds..
Well for all those that don't like, or don't agree with crossbreeds why bother saying anything?You will never understand from the other persons point of view.

I understand where you're coming from, but if a forum only heared one side of the story - and people just sat back and didn't post - it wouldn't be much of a forum? I thought that's what it was about, debating things. Obviously as long as nothing gets out of hand.