[Sproglet]

http://orrionfarms.com/ Front page of their website. They actually seem to be proud of him

 

[Sled dog hotel]

How do the munchkin cats do "cat things" with such short legs?!
Jumping, climbing, grooming? Surely it's difficult for them to do any of that

Quite simply they cant. There is a UFAW article on the link below that explains it in more detail if your interested and the implications.
https://www.ufaw.org.uk/cats/munchkin-limb-deformity

I'm just using the Munchkin as to me its just one example of some breeders and peoples selfish stupidity of what is being done to animals be they dog cat whatever.
All in the name of having the unusual and different, not to mention financial gain of course. No one in their right mind or who is caring would continue to breed any animal with deformaties or conformation that has impact on its health and welfare. There is enough problems in dogs and cats and other breeds genetic and hereditary wise as it is but at least research and good breeders are trying to address that and eradicate it from their breeds, and then you get ones that will carry on regardless for these extremes as they think they are desireable, and also carry on breeding for more deformaties and problems still, even newer originating ones when they arrive. It truly sickens me.

 

[Calvine]

Apparently the colt is also worth millions

Which means they will be keeping him entire to make sure they can breed from him.

 

[Sairy]

Reason number 1,027 of why I am fed up with the human race.

 

[petventure]

Quite simply they cant. There is a UFAW article on the link below that explains it in more detail if your interested and the implications.
https://www.ufaw.org.uk/cats/munchkin-limb-deformity

I'm just using the Munchkin as to me its just one example of some breeders and peoples selfish stupidity of what is being done to animals be they dog cat whatever.
All in the name of having the unusual and different, not to mention financial gain of course. No one in their right mind or who is caring would continue to breed any animal with deformaties or conformation that has impact on its health and welfare. There is enough problems in dogs and cats and other breeds genetic and hereditary wise as it is but at least research and good breeders are trying to address that and eradicate it from their breeds, and then you get ones that will carry on regardless for these extremes as they think they are desireable, and also carry on breeding for more deformaties and problems still, even newer originating ones when they arrive. It truly sickens me.

So they have difficulty even just moving , nevermind exploring. Actually breaks my heart, so sad for the cat for it to happen by bad luck, disgusting to be bred on purpose to achieve. Poor poor cats

 

[Calvine]

This is typically what they should look like with a dished (slightly concave) silhouette. I really cannot see the extreme type doing too well in a show.

 

[Boxerluver30]

This is typically what they should look like with a dished (slightly concave) silhouette. I really cannot see the extreme type doing too well in a show.

That is a lovely looking horse, I really don't see why these breeders needed to change its appearance to "achieve perfection"

 

[StormyThai]

Unfortunately this has been going on for years in the horse world...in fact probably as long as in dogs

 

[Sled dog hotel]

I'm so pleased to hear that. It's really easy to forget that there are breeders out there who genuinely love their animals and will even potentially bankrupt themselves to ensure the health and wellbeing of their chosen breed.

Unfortunately they seem to be outnumbered by unscrupulous money grabbers

Yes there are those that breed and do things for the right reasons, sadly there are also ones that even when a comp0lete solution is offered to a problem they will fight tooth and nail against it. I have used this as an example before but a prime example is the Dalmatian, Dallies have a genetic problem that causes high levels of uric acid which in turn causes uric stones, that can block the urinary system, cause kidney failure not to mention is painful and can make them very ill not to mention death can even result..
In the 1970s they crossed a good example of a Dalmatian with a champion example of a pointer in the states, for the express reason of trying to eradicate the gene and the High uric acid problem it worked and fixed the genetic problem. They then mated the puppies of this cross back to Dalmatians and all subsequent generations were bred back to Dallies, when I first read about it it had been for about 14 generations. In America the later generations were finally allowed to be registered as Dalmatians, Quite a few years back a long standing breeder in the UK imported one of the Low uric acid Dalmatians bred from the original cross
because amongst other things was concerned about the High uric acid in Dalmatians and knew it can eradicate the gene problem. she got permission from the UK kennel club to Import breed and show her.
This caused an outcry from a lot of Dally breeders in the UK, saying that the dog was impure and a cross, even though it was just one cross years and generations ago, and there was a lot of protests both in the dog press and at her being shown at crufts that year about the breeder and the dog.

So even when a complete solution to genetic problems is handed to them you will always get some breeders and pureists who will do all they can to kick against and stop it.

Even when the kennel club voted to stop close matings like mother to son, father to daughter etc, saying that the progeny would no longer be registered anymore again there was an outcry and protest from a lot of breeders and in the dog press kicking against the decision too.

 

[dorrit]

And we dare to label ourselves as the most intelligent beings on earth .....

sick sick sick.

 

[MiffyMoo]

Yes there are those that breed and do things for the right reasons, sadly there are also ones that even when a comp0lete solution is offered to a problem they will fight tooth and nail against it. I have used this as an example before but a prime example is the Dalmatian, Dallies have a genetic problem that causes high levels of uric acid which in turn causes uric stones, that can block the urinary system, cause kidney failure not to mention is painful and can make them very ill not to mention death can even result..
In the 1970s they crossed a good example of a Dalmatian with a champion example of a pointer in the states, for the express reason of trying to eradicate the gene and the High uric acid problem it worked and fixed the genetic problem. They then mated the puppies of this cross back to Dalmatians and all subsequent generations were bred back to Dallies, when I first read about it it had been for about 14 generations. In America the later generations were finally allowed to be registered as Dalmatians, Quite a few years back a long standing breeder in the UK imported one of the Low uric acid Dalmatians bred from the original cross
because amongst other things was concerned about the High uric acid in Dalmatians and knew it can eradicate the gene problem. she got permission from the UK kennel club to Import breed and show her.
This caused an outcry from a lot of Dally breeders in the UK, saying that the dog was impure and a cross, even though it was just one cross years and generations ago, and there was a lot of protests both in the dog press and at her being shown at crufts that year about the breeder and the dog.

So even when a complete solution to genetic problems is handed to them you will always get some breeders and pureists who will do all they can to kick against and stop it.

Even when the kennel club voted to stop close matings like mother to son, father to daughter etc, saying that the progeny would no longer be registered anymore again there was an outcry and protest from a lot of breeders and in the dog press kicking against the decision too.

I just don't even know what to say about that. I feel very sad

 

[Sled dog hotel]

I think in the video it says it was deliberately bred like that and is worth a lot of money. Could someone confirm this?

Potentially it will be because idiots will want one too, and to carry on breeding them, and once there is a demand there will be a supply and the supply will generate money and financial gain for the careless thoughtless idiots doing it. Like all things deemed rare different and a must have high prices will be commanded and people will sadly pay it.

 

[Lexiedhb]

Who are the idiots who buy these deformed animals believing them to be rare, or "special" without giving a thought to the animals welfare?

 

[XemzX]

Poor thing it doesn’t even look real.

 

[TennoAkita]

I remember watching a documentary on the dog showing scene over here a few years ago. It was about how breeders searching more and more for breed standard dogs have bred in more and more problems as a result. I remember the GSD being mentioned as well as a smaller breed, possibly the pug, often. It didn't paint the breeders/showers in a good light.

Just the other week, I watched a YouTube video on dogs 'back in the day' compared to now. Some of them look totally different. Again the GSD featured as an example.

It would appear that a lot of breeders in the dog world do this. The GSD went from a lean/slender loooking larger mid size dog to a straight up large dog with a sloping back to conform to some standard. Where they got this sloping back thing from I don't know because they never used to have them from what I've seen. In fact GSD's were my favourite dog breed as a child. I never remember them being as big as they are today. And when you are young, things always looked bigger. Case in point: apples lol.

I'm surprised this is happening in the horse world. They truly are amazing animals. Hopefully this article stops this becoming a regular thing. Or it's a bad article and isn't totally the truth.

 

[Rafa]

Thankfully, breeding for such exaggerated characteristics seems to be way more prevalent in the World of dogs than in horses.

That's not to say it's a good thing wherever you find it, but that mercifully, it doesn't seem to be happening so much amongst horse breeders.

If you look at such Breeds as the Shire, the Welsh, Friesian, to name a few, they have changed hardly at all over many years. I owned a Thoroughbred forty years ago and the Thoroughbreds I see now look more or less identical to him.

I find it hard to believe that, if that foal were shown under a Breed Specialist, it would not be heavily penalised for it's face.

 

[Lexiedhb]

Thankfully, breeding for such exaggerated characteristics seems to be way more prevalent in the World of dogs than in horses.

That's not to say it's a good thing wherever you find it, but that mercifully, it doesn't seem to be happening so much amongst horse breeders.

If you look at such Breeds as the Shire, the Welsh, Friesian, to name a few, they have changed hardly at all over many years. I owned a Thoroughbred forty years ago and the Thoroughbreds I see now look more or less identical to him.

I find it hard to believe that, if that foal were shown under a Breed Specialist, it would not be heavily penalised for it's face.

One would hope so......

 

[Sarah H]

Surely it will have problems when it comes to breathing during activity? Can't understand why anyone would breed something that exaggerated on purpose...but as already pointed out we only need to look at pedigree dogs and cats to see that exaggerated features sell, and for a lot of money.

 

[picaresque]

I bet there are loads of people out there seeing the horse example being publicised and recognising it for the perversion that it is, thinking 'oh how awful', but they still love the pugs and frenchies that all the celebs have, they're so cute and funny, they're saving up for one.

 

[StormyThai]

Thankfully, breeding for such exaggerated characteristics seems to be way more prevalent in the World of dogs than in horses.

That's not to say it's a good thing wherever you find it, but that mercifully, it doesn't seem to be happening so much amongst horse breeders.

If you look at such Breeds as the Shire, the Welsh, Friesian, to name a few, they have changed hardly at all over many years. I owned a Thoroughbred forty years ago and the Thoroughbreds I see now look more or less identical to him.

I find it hard to believe that, if that foal were shown under a Breed Specialist, it would not be heavily penalised for it's face.

That's not the case I'm afraid.
The Friesian is long backed and not the horse they used to be (everyone wants a fbp afterall) the Welsh have their fair share of long backed, leggy section D's to the dished faces of the section A's and the Thoroughbred is a skeletal mess compared to what they were a few hundred years ago.

If I wasn't on my phone I could find plenty of extreme Arabs that are doing well within the show world...horse breeding is just as bad as dog breeding...any breeding in fact
Of course there are good breeders but where there is demand there are crappy breeders!