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Krill Oil Doseage

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#1 ·
To answer the questions rasied by MCWillow yesterday I'll give a narrative example of how to calculate Krill oil doseage. I'll base it on pork cheek but there should be enough detail here that you can extrapolate to to any meat. Not clear? just let me know.

Some assumptions first:

Lets assume that we are targeting an Omega 6 [n-6] to Omega 3 [n-3] ratio in the weekly feed of 2:1. You can read tonnes of papers and articles on the ideal ratio (indeed I have) but Esther Plantinga et al tell us that the natural diet is 2:1 and that's good enough for me. You wont easily get there with a pure pork diet, as you'll see, but let's if we can get inside the 'safe' upper limit of 4:1 and take it from there.

Lets assume that when the n-3 comes from krill oil that you need to dose at 2/3 of the doseage from normal fish oil because the n-3 is derived from phospholipds. Opinion varies. That you need less n-3 if it comes from Krill is a fact. The dr. Becker video posted last night said you need only a 5th but unbiased scientific opinions tend to say 2/3 so we'll use that.

Finally, I'll assume Holland and Barrett 1500mg Krill capsules. Each one of these contains 0.255g of n-3. You can just change the math a bit if you use a different source.

So... We'll start with a Kg of raw lean pig cheek having 5% fat. Foodcomp.dk tells us that contains 5.1g n-6 and 0.46g n-3, a ratio of 11:1 :thumbdown: You would like to have 2.55g of n-3 in there (5.1/2) and so need to add 2.09g (2.55-0.46) but if it comes from krill you need to add only 1.39g (2.09*2/3). That means you would have to add 5.5 capsules per kilo (1.39/0.255).

Sadly, that dog wont hunt. 5 and 1/2 capsules per kg will taste too strong for the cat and be too expensive for the slave. So lets see what we can practically do. I know, from experience, that cats can be trained to like the krill added at the rate of 2 capsules per kilo so lets see where that plane lands....

We start with a Kg of lean pig cheek again having 5.1g n-6 and 0.46g n-3. Then we add two capsules containing 0.51g n-3 which has an effective value because it is from krill of 0.77g (0.51*3/2). Now the food has 5.1g n-6 and 1.23g n-3 which is a cats whisker over 4:1. That in itself is a HUGE improvement to the diet.

Now lets see how to take it further. If you can wean them over gradually to a mixture of pork and another protein you get big wins (unless the other protein is intensively farmed chicken). If you go to foodcomp.dk again you will see that a 50/50 mix of pig cheek and lamb leg gives 3.19g n-6 and 0.87g n-3, a ratio of 3.67:1. Add two capsules to that and the resulting feed as a ratio of 1.95:1 :) (It goes without saying that if you fed lamb alone you wouldn't add any krill oil but you can do the maths yourself now).

Here's another approach. Lets imagine your cat eats a Kg of the supplemented pork meal per week. We saw that has 5.1g n-6 and 1.23g n-3, a ratio of about 4:1. Now then, lets deprive him of a 50g meal so the numbers are now 4.85g n-6 and 1.16g n-3 (Multiply both the start numbers by 0.95). Now replace that 50g meal with 50g of raw salmon. That adds 0.21g n-6 and 1.64g n-3 (foodcomp again). New grand total for the week = 5.06g n-6 and 2.8g n-3 a nice ratio of 1.8:1. Course you gotta get kitty to eat the salmon but any oily fish will do.

Bottom line for the pork feeders is this. If you can add a couple of these krill capsules per kilo of meat (get there VERY gradually) and swap a 50g meal each week for a portion of oily fish you are about on target. You can work out all the other combinations by following the logic above. I hope I haven't confused the issue still further.
 
#2 ·
Ah excellent! Dennis will eat sardine in water, so I won't need any sort of omega supplement I see (right??). I'll have to look at the weight of a tin, but those little thin rectangular tins come with 3 in them and I give one a day as a treat.

Will also start adding in omega enriched egg yolk for an alternate treat (I.e. when I've nicked his sardines for sardines on toast! :D), but what if the enriched egg is enriched in the wrong omega?! Will it say on the box which one they use?
 
#3 ·
Anything with numbers confuses me :eek:

I particularly love this part of your post though
Bottom line for the pork feeders is this. If you can add a couple of these krill capsules per kilo of meat (get there VERY gradually) and swap a 50g meal each week for a portion of oily fish you are about on target.
That bit I can understand :thumbup: :D

Thanks so much for taking the time to do this post Satori - much appreciated :yesnod:
 
#4 ·
@Eskimojo. Sardines are are a fantastic source (never in oil), I only wish my cats would consistently eat them. You should check the suppliers data but a 100g tin should have about 3g of n-3 and about 1.5g of n-6. On that basis, one tin per week would be more than enough with no fish oil supplementation needed.
 
#6 · (Edited)
^. Depends on the size of the Sardine. It'll be a little bit more than one. If you weigh out about 90 to 100g of sardine per cat per week then, correct, you wouldn't need to mess about with krill oil. The prey model sites tend to recommend 1 sardine per week but that's based on a mixed protein model. For pork only you need a bit more.
 
#8 ·
@Eskimojo. Sardines are are a fantastic source (never in oil), I only wish my cats would consistently eat them. You should check the suppliers data but a 100g tin should have about 3g of n-3 and about 1.5g of n-6. On that basis, one tin per week would be more than enough with no fish oil supplementation needed.
I mis-wrote! I open one a week and he eats one of the three sardines per day, so it takes 3 days to finish. I don't give him one every day!

If I do add egg yolk to his treat selection, should I not bother with the omega enriched ones then? Is there something negative that could happen with an omega 'overdose'?

Thanks so much for all your help! :)
 
#9 ·
Good question. The amount of n-3 in the eggs is not significant but, yes one can have too much omega 3. Getting down to 1:1 is generally though to be fine for humans but pushing it further than that would be unwise without medical / vet supervision. There's really not enough evidence based information on maximum doseage but side effects from too much, including up unintended drops in blood pressure and blood thinking, are well observed. It's best to stay in the 2:1 range where nature intended.
 
#10 ·
@Eskimojo. Sardines are are a fantastic source (never in oil), I only wish my cats would consistently eat them. You should check the suppliers data but a 100g tin should have about 3g of n-3 and about 1.5g of n-6. On that basis, one tin per week would be more than enough with no fish oil supplementation needed.
Hmm I can only ever find sardines in oil or brine :eek: I guess I could just wash the oil/brine off ? Or feed fresh from the fishmonger ?
 
#16 ·
I ordered the mercola krill oil for pets .....
Krill oil for pets | for healthy a healthy immune system | Dr Mercola

It's arrived already, excellent service from Evolution Organics, I highly recommend them :) I'd not used them before but will use them again ......hopefully for more krill :D

Stripes licks it off my finger :thumbup1: blue doesn't like it neat but eats his treats dipped in it no problem :D :thumbup1: Timmy said :frown2:

Watch this space :)
 
#18 ·
Hi,

I would also like to try this sardine route before getting krill oil, but I have a couple of questions:

My boy only gets 220g of raw (chicken, pork, turkey) with Felini a week at present, so how much sardine would I need to give in proportion?

Also, is it possible to freeze the sardines, or would this destroy the omega 3?

Thanks.
 
#19 ·
Not much at all really, 20g a week would do it. Depends what is in the rest of his diet though. Most tinned food is terribly unbalanced, granatapet being an an obvious exception. The ready made raw products should be fine too. If the rest of his diet is the classic zooplus selection though, I'd try to get 80-90g per week down him.

Freezing will not harm omega 3.
 
#20 ·
Not much at all really, 20g a week would do it. Depends what is in the rest of his diet though. Most tinned food is terribly unbalanced, granatapet being an an obvious exception. The ready made raw products should be fine too. If the rest of his diet is the classic zooplus selection though, I'd try to get 80-90g per week down him.

Freezing will not harm omega 3.
Excellent, thanks!
 
#21 ·
Wow, just gave both mine Sainsbury's Sardines in Spring Water and it went down a storm!

I thought Watson would be okay as he's a gannet anyway, but really surprised at my slightly fussy Rosie. Not only did she polish it off, she didn't throw it back up - which is quite common with her.

Thrilled to bits! :thumbup:
 
#23 ·
Wow, just gave both mine Sainsbury's Sardines in Spring Water and it went down a storm!

I thought Watson would be okay as he's a gannet anyway, but really surprised at my slightly fussy Rosie. Not only did she polish it off, she didn't throw it back up - which is quite common with her.

Thrilled to bits! :thumbup:
Oooh! Sainsbury's too?? Maybe a sainsburys Local is too small... (why does it feel like I've typed this before?? :confused:)

Glad your kitties liked it! :)
 
#24 ·
what am i doing wrong?... I have looked on foodcomp at chicken drumstick it says drumstick (i am using instead of thigh as couldn't see that) contains Sum n-3 fatty acids - 0.141 and Sum n-6 fatty acid -1.89, g per 100g. So i divided the n-6 by 2 and minused the n-3 to total 804mg. Am I correct in thinking this means that 804mg n-3 needs to be added to every 100g chicken drum stick meat? if this is the case holland and barrett salmon contains 200mg Omega-3 Fatty Acids per 1000mg capsule I would need to 4 capsules per 100g and if using h and b Krill oil two capsules would required... I must be doing something wrong but applying the same logic to beef heart I get just under 2/3 krill oil h and b 1500mg capsule per 100g meat... this is all to achieve the optimum 2:1 ration but even for 4:1 that's 2 salmon oil capsule and 1 krill oil per 100g chicken drum stick :confused:
The only adjustment to your approach that I can see is that N-3 from krill is more bio-available than that from fish oils so you only need 2/3 as much.

So for 100g of drumstick, to get to 4:1 we need ((1.89/4)-0.141)*2/3)= 0.221g which would be delivered by 0.221/0.255 = 0.87 of the 1500mg capsules.

For 100g of beef heart, to get to 4:1 we need ((0.445/4)-0)*2/3)= 0.074g which would be delivered by 0.074/0.255 = 0.29 of the 1500mg capsules.

But let's throw away some of that chicken skin, about a third of it because an 8.9% fat level is very high to feed from intensively reared poultry. Now we have a leaner drumstick (6% or so)....

For the new drumstick to get to 4:1 we need ((1.26/4)-0.094)*2/3)= 0.147g which would be delivered by 0.147/0.255 = 0.58 of the 1500mg capsules.

As a comparison, some nice trimmed lamb leg (grass fed).

Lamb, leg, defatted, raw - Nutrition Information and Facts - The Danish Food Composition Databank

...and it's clear that you wouldn't add any n-3 at all. I can't find a link for wild bunny but I am sure it would be the same.

So you are just demonstrating for your self how terrible the EFA balance of intensively farmed poultry is, for cats or for humans for that matter.

I wish my cats liked fish.

(You obviously understand the logic behind this and I am about to open bottle number 3 :) so you might want to run your slide rule over the above)