Riley loves the kangaroo..I get it from http://www.vet-concept.com/Katzenmenue-KAeNGURU.htm?websale8=vet-concept&pi=M210010&ci=001205&Ctx={ver/8/ver}{st/3eb/st}{cmd/0/cmd}{m/websale/m}{s/vet-concept/s}{l/01-AA/l}{mi/001205/mi}{pi/M210010/pi}{fc/x/fc}{p1/21154aae87ef0824eb5c1da852a84d97/p1}{md5/e6618d98bbda3f30be761a4e56573ead/md5}

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I just send them an email with the order and they send it..they also take credit card and PayPal payment now

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I can send you a tin of kangaroo to try if you want??

Thanks Nicola, I'll try that if he keeps refusing. Would it be alright if I tried a can of kangaroo? Also, what's the delivery cost for orders?

 

Hey Guys,

Just wanted to give you an update:

We got the food in Sunday and Light (and my other cat) refused to eat it at first other than a couple bites.

We'll I'm no push over and stuck to my guns, even though they pouted all day sunday and monday morning refusing to eat.. and by Monday afternoon I assume they were both so hungry they now eat it. Two full bowls gone in 2 days!

I'll let you know how to ZD turns out. Sorry to hear about your kitty Matti.

Hopefully it will help..but do consider the elimination diet as well..

We are at the vets Wednesday..tho typical of him he has not had runny bum! Tho tonight bum was sore and was blood I think it could be the prolapse causing the blood..his bum looks ok tho..I will never get my head round ibd :crazy:

 

Thanks Nicola, I'll try that if he keeps refusing. Would it be alright if I tried a can of kangaroo? Also, what's the delivery cost for orders?

Delivery costs 5 euros! Nothing really! I buy the big tins does not work out that much really!

Pm me your address and will pop a tin Wednesday

 

Hey Guys,

Just wanted to give you an update:

We got the food in Sunday and Light (and my other cat) refused to eat it at first other than a couple bites.

We'll I'm no push over and stuck to my guns, even though they pouted all day sunday and monday morning refusing to eat.. and by Monday afternoon I assume they were both so hungry they now eat it. Two full bowls gone in 2 days!

I'll let you know how to ZD turns out. Sorry to hear about your kitty Matti.

Thanks dear. Glad to hear they've finally taken to Z/D and fingers crossed it sticks! I had luck with it for a while, but looks like it's finally run out!

 

Delivery costs 5 euros! Nothing really! I buy the big tins does not work out that much really!

Pm me your address and will pop a tin Wednesday

That's amazing!! How well do the big cans keep and how much do you normally feed Riley? If/when the prednisolone uppage doesnt work, i'm definitely going to the vet to tell him I'm trying novel protein diet. My only other question is, won't the food eventually not become a novel protein and therefore cause problems again?

Btw, Tom is on prednisolone permanently now, on a 1 day in 3 holding dose of 1.5mg as I mentioned before.

Just to note- luckily, Tom has finally put on weight, and is now a postively porky (for him) 2.8kg, and given he's the same size as a small female cat according to the vet, he's doing well.

 

That's amazing!! How well do the big cans keep and how much do you normally feed Riley? If/when the prednisolone uppage doesnt work, i'm definitely going to the vet to tell him I'm trying novel protein diet. My only other question is, won't the food eventually not become a novel protein and therefore cause problems again?

Btw, Tom is on prednisolone permanently now, on a 1 day in 3 holding dose of 1.5mg as I mentioned before.

Just to note- luckily, Tom has finally put on weight, and is now a postively porky (for him) 2.8kg, and given he's the same size as a small female cat according to the vet, he's doing well.

Well my fatty (fingers crossed weigh day Wednesday) eats between half to a full tin per day..but I have let him eat more to try and fatten him up..ideally on the 400g tins he should have half to 3/4 per day..for Tom I would say half a tin..a tin will keep in the fridge two days just put in a plastic pot with lid. Riley also has a teaspoon of pumpkin mixed with every meal for extra fibre..

..yes there is the danger of the novel food being reacted too..but cross that bridge and all that

 

Well my fatty (fingers crossed weigh day Wednesday) eats between half to a full tin per day..but I have let him eat more to try and fatten him up..ideally on the 400g tins he should have half to 3/4 per day..for Tom I would say half a tin..a tin will keep in the fridge two days just put in a plastic pot with lid. Riley also has a teaspoon of pumpkin mixed with every meal for extra fibre..

..yes there is the danger of the novel food being reacted too..but cross that bridge and all that

So, Tom is still refusing food today- he ate about 3 pieces, not from the bowl, because he's scared of it. He's also drinking a lot today, but I do have the heating on and I have been making him run around playing since I'm off work with the flu, plus he's not eating his wet food so I'm not too worried- yet. His stools has firmed up again as well, so it's just getting him to eat something.

Nicola, what do you think to me mixing the kangaroo with the Z/D at first? I should be able to tell quite quickly if its giving him a bad gut again if I do that, surely, since he's fine on the z/d and Purina HA mix with all of his meds? And it should stop him being afraid of his food bowl too.... thoughts?

 

I'm at work at the moment will reply when I am home..

 

So, Tom is still refusing food today- he ate about 3 pieces, not from the bowl, because he's scared of it. He's also drinking a lot today, but I do have the heating on and I have been making him run around playing since I'm off work with the flu, plus he's not eating his wet food so I'm not too worried- yet. His stools has firmed up again as well, so it's just getting him to eat something.

Nicola, what do you think to me mixing the kangaroo with the Z/D at first? I should be able to tell quite quickly if its giving him a bad gut again if I do that, surely, since he's fine on the z/d and Purina HA mix with all of his meds? And it should stop him being afraid of his food bowl too.... thoughts?

I would defiantly mix it in at first with the z/d to minimise risk,,but as a novely protein it really should not have an affect on his tummy..well that's the theory..but would always air on the side of caution

As for not eating today it is a worry. Some times our stress can be picked up by them and if you are anxious for him to eat it can have the opposite effect..some times when Riley was on my bed if he had not eaten I would take a little to him where he was relaxed and he would eat there..does tom have a chilling place you can just put some food near and leave it there so he gets a different connection with the food?

Has he eaten now at all?

 

I would defiantly mix it in at first with the z/d to minimise risk,,but as a novely protein it really should not have an affect on his tummy..well that's the theory..but would always air on the side of caution

As for not eating today it is a worry. Some times our stress can be picked up by them and if you are anxious for him to eat it can have the opposite effect..some times when Riley was on my bed if he had not eaten I would take a little to him where he was relaxed and he would eat there..does tom have a chilling place you can just put some food near and leave it there so he gets a different connection with the food?

Has he eaten now at all?

Oops, ignore the bit in my PM about mixing the food!! Nope, still not eaten... I've been home with flu last few days, so I'm trying not to feed him until about 8pm, which is his usual dinner time, in the hope he will be hungry.

[EDIT] Don't suppose he's picking up on my being ill and that's making him funny with me?

Re, food at his chilling space, he now won't use his last chilling space because of it

 

Oops, ignore the bit in my PM about mixing the food!! Nope, still not eaten... I've been home with flu last few days, so I'm trying not to feed him until about 8pm, which is his usual dinner time, in the hope he will be hungry.

[EDIT] Don't suppose he's picking up on my being ill and that's making him funny with me?

Re, food at his chilling space, he now won't use his last chilling space because of it

Ahhhh..you will be disturbing his routine being at home also shame you can't leave him for a few hours..but you stay in the warm..flu is a nightmare!!

You said he will be on pred for life..pred had no positive effect with Riley in fact he was better off it than on it..could you talk to your vet about the possibility of weaning him off the pred..long term effects are not very good

 

Ahhhh..you will be disturbing his routine being at home also shame you can't leave him for a few hours..but you stay in the warm..flu is a nightmare!!

You said he will be on pred for life..pred had no positive effect with Riley in fact he was better off it than on it..could you talk to your vet about the possibility of weaning him off the pred..long term effects are not very good

I'd love to, but the pred really does make a massive difference to Tom, like HUGE. Every time we've taken him off, he's got much worse. he's only on a tiny doseage so even though there are terrible side effects, its better than not having him on it at all. Maybe if I can get him eating etc and stable then I can try to wean him off again.

 

Bowl aversion resolved!!! Having to feed him Purina HA (hydrolyzed protein still unfortunately), but am mixing it with a little water to make them sticky then sprinkling the enzymes on top- he's not eating all the enzymes so I'm having to give him more than the proper dosage to make sure, but having too many doesn't have any ill-effects (whereas not having enough does!) but..... tonight was the first time I've seen him eat out of his bowl in almost 2 months!!! YEEAAAAAYYYYY!!

Am still looking at swapping him to novel protein food once I know if he'll like it because I hate having him on dry, but for a short term resolution (especially getting close to christmas and delivery problem season) it's a good start.... no more hand feeding (fingers crossed!).

 

Bowl aversion resolved!!! Having to feed him Purina HA (hydrolyzed protein still unfortunately), but am mixing it with a little water to make them sticky then sprinkling the enzymes on top- he's not eating all the enzymes so I'm having to give him more than the proper dosage to make sure, but having too many doesn't have any ill-effects (whereas not having enough does!) but..... tonight was the first time I've seen him eat out of his bowl in almost 2 months!!! YEEAAAAAYYYYY!!

Am still looking at swapping him to novel protein food once I know if he'll like it because I hate having him on dry, but for a short term resolution (especially getting close to christmas and delivery problem season) it's a good start.... no more hand feeding (fingers crossed!).

Good news!! I think for now as long as he eats and does not relate eating to a not nice experience and he is getting his enzymes all good!

If he likes the kangaroo then at least you know it's a possibility..

 

To update on here..

Riley now 4.34 kg so a gain!

Waiting on liver results.

Thinking about food..vet said its not a bad idea to have another food..but have to do it very very slowly and monitor like a hawk!

 

Good news!! I think for now as long as he eats and does not relate eating to a not nice experience and he is getting his enzymes all good!

If he likes the kangaroo then at least you know it's a possibility..

Agreed! I hate him being on dry only, but for now, its perfect... and as soon as I can, I'm getting him on kangaroo (if the fussy bugger will eat it). He's only eating a tiny amount mind you, but the point is, after 2 days, he is now eating something.

 

Good to see you back Matti (and to hear how Tom is doing). I did think about him a lot!

 

Agreed! I hate him being on dry only, but for now, its perfect... and as soon as I can, I'm getting him on kangaroo (if the fussy bugger will eat it). He's only eating a tiny amount mind you, but the point is, after 2 days, he is now eating something.

And also that you are not force feeding him..

But I am upset at the lack of photos of Tom

 

And also that you are not force feeding him..

But I am upset at the lack of photos of Tom

Haha here you go! Look at what a big boy he is now!! (fingers crossed it works)

 

He's looking good. Love those big eyes!

 

Haha here you go! Look at what a big boy he is now!! (fingers crossed it works)

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He is stunning!! What a big boy now!!

 

I know! He's still tiny size-wise mind you, I can still carry him around with one hand (hence him only being 2.8kg), and he's pretty much stuck at that size, but it's quite nice having a mini-cat. He's starting to look much healthier now too, fluffy and a good coat with a little bit of a belly.... I don't feel so awkward when people see him and tell me he's awfully skinny and am I sure I'm feeding him enough..... :S

Oh and if you're wondering what the black thing on his collar is, its a mini tracker.... paranoid mummy gets worried when he's outside playing at night so I press the handset and it beeps so he comes running back- I have a fully trained remote-control cat

 

I know! He's still tiny size-wise mind you, I can still carry him around with one hand (hence him only being 2.8kg), and he's pretty much stuck at that size, but it's quite nice having a mini-cat. He's starting to look much healthier now too, fluffy and a good coat with a little bit of a belly.... I don't feel so awkward when people see him and tell me he's awfully skinny and am I sure I'm feeding him enough..... :S

Oh and if you're wondering what the black thing on his collar is, its a mini tracker.... paranoid mummy gets worried when he's outside playing at night so I press the handset and it beeps so he comes running back- I have a fully trained remote-control cat

Well with the help of the lovely ibd members Riley has put on weight..sometimes coming on this thread and just going arrrrrrrggggghhhhhhhh really helps me stay strong and persist..so now you are back we can work on Tom becoming a porker like Riley

 

Liver results..

Alt was 190 now 191
Ast was 57 now 68

Bile acid should be 10 but his was 15.7

Waiting for the referral vet to advise next steps..

My vet I should not worry as she is not worried..but well I am a bit concerned..

 

Liver results..

Alt was 190 now 191
Ast was 57 now 68

Bile acid should be 10 but his was 15.7

Waiting for the referral vet to advise next steps..

My vet I should not worry as she is not worried..but well I am a bit concerned..

Not as positive as you were hoping, I know, but definitely a good thing that the vet isn't worried. Surely it's normal for there to be a bit of variation in the results? I saw in the other thread you said that his condition and weight is good so that's definitely a positive.

Cuddles and peaceful vibes being sent over!!