I don't think so buffie, and she said chicken hasn't helped. sounds like a vet visit to me to eradicate any medical problems don't you think?

 

I don't think so buffie, and she said chicken hasn't helped. sounds like a vet visit to me to eradicate any medical problems don't you think?

Sorry went to bed early sounds like a vet visit is necessary as we both know it could be a lot of things causing it,not just diet ,so best to get it checked out.

 

I just want to scream..the bad times are back again..

I've stopped the pumpkin to see if that makes a difference. I will also talk with my vet next week about trying the other medicine..did not really want to give it as it has not been used to treat ibd before..but I don't have any other choice.

Food wise I'm out of ideas as he can't eat or won't eat so much.

I could really really scream right now

 

I just want to scream..the bad times are back again..

I've stopped the pumpkin to see if that makes a difference. I will also talk with my vet next week about trying the other medicine..did not really want to give it as it has not been used to treat ibd before..but I don't have any other choice.

Food wise I'm out of ideas as he can't eat or won't eat so much.

I could really really scream right now

What has happened to the gorgeous man ,you really sound so stressed .

 

What has happened to the gorgeous man ,you really sound so stressed .

Sorry I am a bit stressed..I've had to clean him every day now, despite the whole trying to time the poo so he goes indoors, he then goes outside and then has a bad poo.. I tried keeping him in but that was stressing him out and he cried and cried then cried some more.

Before I've managed the symptoms by keeping him in now that seems in vain as it's like he holds a bit in then goes out and he has a bad time..

Maybe it's because he is not on the antibiotics and the bacteria is taking over, maybe it's his slight prolapse making him still feel like he has not "been" maybe it's the food, maybe I just don't know what the hell is going on inside his tummy and all my second guesses are just making it worse

..and breathe..

And to top it off I bought some slippers.first pair I've owned since a child and he attacks them like they are evil

I will talk to the vet, I just wish beyond all wishes I could make this better for him

 

Don't know what to suggest,it does sound as though you and Riley are going through a horrible time just now.
What a bu**er as things were looking so positive , maybe it is time to have another chat with your vet to see if there is anything else you can try that will help.
I'm always around if you want to chat,just let me know.

 

Don't know what to suggest,it does sound as though you and Riley are going through a horrible time just now.
What a bu**er as things were looking so positive , maybe it is time to have another chat with your vet to see if there is anything else you can try that will help.
I'm always around if you want to chat,just let me know.

It is annoying as things were going so well with him. I'm going to try and get an appointment on Monday if my vet is in as he is not right. I came home and poo over the carpet, what was in the tray tho was fine, not soft or anything, but his bum was covered my carpet was covered the door frame was covered

I'm worried now it's the food, which means I'm stuck as there is just no alternative he can have, what does he do then..starve?

Another thing what if the chlorambucil is now not working?

These are all questions I will ask the vet, but it's just not looking hopeful right now

 

Hi nicolaa123,
I was going to leave a post on your other query [behavioural problem / scooting through his poop] about expressing anal glands. "...he has had them expressed many times, they were never blocked tho...'' Just to say, that it's not a good idea to express them unless they need doing. Video by Dr. Karen Becker DVM http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2009/12/23/your-pets-anal-glands.aspx [Below each video is a transcript that you can cut and paste / print off].

Also, a couple of suggestions re: his behavioural problem / scooting through his poop.

He does seem to be doing well on his diet [just Kangaroo and pumpkin [?] and no other medication / antibiotics [?] eating well [?] putting on / not losing weight [?] and firm stools / or soft but well formed [?]; no runny / watery diarrhoea [?]

But every so often, he scoots through his poop. But is this poop diarrhoea? Or is he just trying to relieve and itchy bum? "...he has half and half poo, first bit hard then on the end it's soft." http://www.dogster.com/forums/Dog_Health/thread/751171

Perhaps he is scooting through his poop because [as someone else suggested] he is not fully evacuating his bowel / difficulty with the ½ soft bit, or he just feels like he hasn’t.
Scooting his bum also suggests he is trying to relieve an itchy bum.
When he strains to evacuate the soft bit or a soft stool this causes his rectum to prolapse while he's trying to poop it out. The prolapse would feel very itchy / uncomfortable so he would immediately scoot to relieve it.

Also...
When he strains he might also push out a little bit of the moist inner membrane of his bottom, which can dry out, but gets wet again [when he strains] to evacuate a soft stool. He may also have some tiny fissures there, straining and acidic poop would him feel sore there. Ordinary water [rather than saline] would also be more of an astringent to the inner membrane.
Some antibiotic cream on his bottom [especially after you’ve washed him] would help. You could ring your vet / vet nurse to recommend one [then order it cheaper online]. In the meantime, a thin smear of Vaseline would be a safe barrier cream / relieve any itchiness. Unless you're using one already.

Also...
Poop is sticky. A healthy gut is coated with a protective slippery, mucous membrane which also enables sticky poop to travel through it.
Have you tried him on Slippery Elm? It’s a mucilage and also a fibre, and soothing for the gut lining. It may help stop his straining and help with his evacuation and his prolapse

Some info on Slippery Elm - Dr. Karen Becker again on video ~ http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2010/09/28/pet-diarrhea-symptoms-and-causes.aspx transcript below the video [and usually some comments which may be helpful].
Your Pet’s Good Health Begins in Their Gut http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2009/05/11/your-pet-s-good-health-begins-in-their-gut.aspx ; and IBD etc
Jean Hofve DVM http://www.littlebigcat.com/health/slippery-elm/

Is he on a probiotic?

The thing is, you say that he does have good days [weeks?]. He hasn't done too badly on just Kangaroo and pumpkin.
I would try and be hopeful that he can make further improvements...you just have to work out what else his body needs in order to support his recovery.
It would be good if it was something simple like one of the above rather than having to put him back on medication / antibiotics etc.

j

 

Hi nicolaa123,
I was going to leave a post on your other query [behavioural problem / scooting through his poop] about expressing anal glands. "...he has had them expressed many times, they were never blocked tho...'' Just to say, that it's not a good idea to express them unless they need doing. Video by Dr. Karen Becker DVM http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2009/12/23/your-pets-anal-glands.aspx [Below each video is a transcript that you can cut and paste / print off].

Also, a couple of suggestions re: his behavioural problem / scooting through his poop.

He does seem to be doing well on his diet [just Kangaroo and pumpkin [?] and no other medication / antibiotics [?] eating well [?] putting on / not losing weight [?] and firm stools / or soft but well formed [?]; no runny / watery diarrhoea [?]

But every so often, he scoots through his poop. But is this poop diarrhoea? Or is he just trying to relieve and itchy bum? "...he has half and half poo, first bit hard then on the end it's soft." http://www.dogster.com/forums/Dog_Health/thread/751171

Perhaps he is scooting through his poop because [as someone else suggested] he is not fully evacuating his bowel / difficulty with the ½ soft bit, or he just feels like he hasn’t.
Scooting his bum also suggests he is trying to relieve an itchy bum.
When he strains to evacuate the soft bit or a soft stool this causes his rectum to prolapse while he's trying to poop it out. The prolapse would feel very itchy / uncomfortable so he would immediately scoot to relieve it.

Also...
When he strains he might also push out a little bit of the moist inner membrane of his bottom, which can dry out, but gets wet again [when he strains] to evacuate a soft stool. He may also have some tiny fissures there, straining and acidic poop would him feel sore there. Ordinary water [rather than saline] would also be more of an astringent to the inner membrane.
Some antibiotic cream on his bottom [especially after you’ve washed him] would help. You could ring your vet / vet nurse to recommend one [then order it cheaper online]. In the meantime, a thin smear of Vaseline would be a safe barrier cream / relieve any itchiness. Unless you're using one already.

Also...
Poop is sticky. A healthy gut is coated with a protective slippery, mucous membrane which also enables sticky poop to travel through it.
Have you tried him on Slippery Elm? It’s a mucilage and also a fibre, and soothing for the gut lining. It may help stop his straining and help with his evacuation and his prolapse

Some info on Slippery Elm - Dr. Karen Becker again on video ~ http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2010/09/28/pet-diarrhea-symptoms-and-causes.aspx transcript below the video [and usually some comments which may be helpful].
Your Pet’s Good Health Begins in Their Gut http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2009/05/11/your-pet-s-good-health-begins-in-their-gut.aspx ; and IBD etc
Jean Hofve DVM http://www.littlebigcat.com/health/slippery-elm/

Is he on a probiotic?

The thing is, you say that he does have good days [weeks?]. He hasn't done too badly on just Kangaroo and pumpkin.
I would try and be hopeful that he can make further improvements...you just have to work out what else his body needs in order to support his recovery.
It would be good if it was something simple like one of the above rather than having to put him back on medication / antibiotics etc.

j

Thank you for your thoughts. Riley will be on medication for life, it's the chlorambucil that really has helped him regain his condition and weight. He may have to have another course of ab's as could be a high number of bacteria causing the problem. Probiotic made him sick. I did not really want to try anything else in the diet until his liver levels are back normal.

I will see what the vet suggests as there is another drug we can try, even tho it's not been used for ibd before.

Unfortunately ibd has a habit of stripping away hope

 

Oh Nicola sorry I issued this! So sorry to hear about Riley not being too good again. Really don't know what to suggest I'm afraid. Feel so bad for you both x

 

Oh Nicola sorry I issued this! So sorry to hear about Riley not being too good again. Really don't know what to suggest I'm afraid. Feel so bad for you both x

Thank you x

He seems ok in himself which is good..had a small runny bum this morning, but since then he has been fine and he has had three good sized meals and no runs..

Maybe it was the mention of the v-e-t word..still we will see tomorrow..I need to get some more chlorambucil, if I can avoid taking him to the vets it would be good..we are due back in about 3 weeks anyway..

 

Well typically and thankfully all seems ok so far today..I let him out this morning..he has had a poo and no dramas..

Got me thinking what if last week he spat out his pill after I gave it to him? Maybe it is something as simple as that.

I will keep an eye on him today..if it returns we shall goto the vets. I will mention it when I ring for more pills anyway..but hopefully I can spare him a vet trip..fingers crossed..

 

Still all good..very puzzling, I think he must have spat out the chlorambucil with out me knowing last week as that's all it could be as nothing else has changed

Or am I clutching at hopeful straws that this could be the only reason?

 

Another day and all is good! If it is the chlorambucil just shows how poorly he would be with out it..

As I have to use gloves to pill him, he could have spat it out as you can't really feel the tablet. He did spurt one out once but I saw him do it so got him another one..

I will be mindful of this now..

..what an amazing thing modern medicine is :thumbup1:

 

Another day and all is good! If it is the chlorambucil just shows how poorly he would be with out it..

As I have to use gloves to pill him, he could have spat it out as you can't really feel the tablet. He did spurt one out once but I saw him do it so got him another one..

I will be mindful of this now..

..what an amazing thing modern medicine is :thumbup1:

Oops not been looking on here so missed your posts.......again..
Hopefully a missing pill is to blame for Rileys little set back. It is so easy for the little sods to spit them out if you take your eye of the ball for a split second.
I swear Meeko has pockets in his cheeks just like a hamster where he hides pills until he can spit them out un-noticed

 

Oops not been looking on here so missed your posts.......again..
Hopefully a missing pill is to blame for Rileys little set back. It is so easy for the little sods to spit them out if you take your eye of the ball for a split second.
I swear Meeko has pockets in his cheeks just like a hamster where he hides pills until he can spit them out un-noticed

It's the only thing that makes sense as he is more than fine..which as nothing else has changed..must be the answer!

My neighbour said yesterday (she is moving out and was packing as Riley came out) that Riley is looking chunky :thumbup1:

 

It's the only thing that makes sense as he is more than fine..which as nothing else has changed..must be the answer!

My neighbour said yesterday (she is moving out and was packing as Riley came out) that Riley is looking chunky :thumbup1:

Now that is encouraging :thumbsup:
I'm a bit concerned that Meeko is dropping weight but apart from a very small amount of vomit he seems well.
The only thing I can think may be causing it is the cold,he wants to be out all day but isn't eating any more to compensate.

 

Now that is encouraging :thumbsup:
I'm a bit concerned that Meeko is dropping weight but apart from a very small amount of vomit he seems well.
The only thing I can think may be causing it is the cold,he wants to be out all day but isn't eating any more to compensate.

Good mr m seems well..it's hard to judge on the weight front..Riley will have a weigh check in about 3 weeks and his blood test for his liver..

I would have thought with Meeko being out he would eat more but then as we both know there is no logic with ibd

 

Good mr m seems well..it's hard to judge on the weight front..Riley will have a weigh check in about 3 weeks and his blood test for his liver..

I would have thought with Meeko being out he would eat more but then as we both know there is no logic with ibd

Nor is there any logic with Mr M He doesn't fit into any boxes nor does he read any rules but until I see something to worry about I will leave well alone
Paws crossed for a good result for Riley in 3 weeks.

 

Hey guys..


Well I've gone through most of this thread. Many of the cases sound just like mine.

When we got Light as a kitty, she randomly had a tiny bit of blood in her poo, and it was smelly, but it was rare and went away so we wrote it off as no concern.

Last December 2012, at the age of 3, my poor kitty Light started meowing randomly. Just meowing all day and all night. Eventually a few days later some stinky poo with a good bit of bright blood and mucus in it. Also the cat started scooting and licking excessively because of itchy skin.

A trip the the vet, and my vet says he's pretty positive my cats allergic to most foods and has IBD, which also is causing "allergies".

He prescribed my cat Hills D/D Venison food, metronidazole (which gives my cat TERRIBLE diarrea), proviable (probiotic), and antihistamines.

The anithistimine seemed to help my cat for an entire year - stopped the scooting, stopped the meowing - light was back to normal, but a year later, it seems to have stopped working. Poor lightning is meowing more and more and scooting now the past month. Now my vet says the cat may need steroids but I'm really trying to avoid that.

The blood in the stool never truly went away but is pretty rare now, a couple times a week, while 80% of the time it is blood free. My vet said blood may be present intermittently throughout her entire life and it isn't too big of a worry. That concerns me still though.

I'm afraid this will turn into cancer. My vet said we can do a colonoscopy but he's 99% sure it's IBD and not to risk putting the cat to sleep for invasive surgoery.

I just want to get my poor kitty to stop meowing. I don't know if it's because her stomach hurts, her bum itches, her skin itches. I don't know if I should try a new antihistimine like benedryl - I asked my vet if my cat could grow a tolerance to the one that helped her for the first year and he said no .. but thrn why has it stopped working?

So many questions...I guess I just wanted to join the thread and try to help with the brain storming.

Can IBD alone be the cause of Lights skin irritation? My vet said the scooting means IDB/food allergy, and that if it was something like "pollen", the cat wouldnt be scooting. Not sure how true this is.

Sigh =[

 

I also wanted to mention anyone having trouble pilling their cat, if you havn't yet, try a cat pill dispenser tool, it looks like a syringe with no needle and you just shoot the down the throat. My kitty Light was impossible for me to pill until I got this. Note that I filed down the edges where it goes in the mouth with a nail filer to make it super smooth so it doesnt have any chance of scratching the throat.

Four Paws Quick & Easy Pill Dispenser at PETCO

 

Hey guys..

Well I've gone through most of this thread. Many of the cases sound just like mine.

When we got Light as a kitty, she randomly had a tiny bit of blood in her poo, and it was smelly, but it was rare and went away so we wrote it off as no concern.

Last December 2012, at the age of 3, my poor kitty Light started meowing randomly. Just meowing all day and all night. Eventually a few days later some stinky poo with a good bit of bright blood and mucus in it. Also the cat started scooting and licking excessively because of itchy skin.

A trip the the vet, and my vet says he's pretty positive my cats allergic to most foods and has IBD, which also is causing "allergies".

He prescribed my cat Hills D/D Venison food, metronidazole (which gives my cat TERRIBLE diarrea), proviable (probiotic), and antihistamines.

The anithistimine seemed to help my cat for an entire year - stopped the scooting, stopped the meowing - light was back to normal, but a year later, it seems to have stopped working. Poor lightning is meowing more and more and scooting now the past month. Now my vet says the cat may need steroids but I'm really trying to avoid that.

The blood in the stool never truly went away but is pretty rare now, a couple times a week, while 80% of the time it is blood free. My vet said blood may be present intermittently throughout her entire life and it isn't too big of a worry. That concerns me still though.

I'm afraid this will turn into cancer. My vet said we can do a colonoscopy but he's 99% sure it's IBD and not to risk putting the cat to sleep for invasive surgoery.

I just want to get my poor kitty to stop meowing. I don't know if it's because her stomach hurts, her bum itches, her skin itches. I don't know if I should try a new antihistimine like benedryl - I asked my vet if my cat could grow a tolerance to the one that helped her for the first year and he said no .. but thrn why has it stopped working?

So many questions...I guess I just wanted to join the thread and try to help with the brain storming.

Can IBD alone be the cause of Lights skin irritation? My vet said the scooting means IDB/food allergy, and that if it was something like "pollen", the cat wouldnt be scooting. Not sure how true this is.

Sigh =[

Firstly..welcome..bare with me I have had a migraine today and head is a bit fuzzy..

Has the cats poo been fully sampled for parasitic or bacterial nasties?

Ibd can only be diagnosed with endeoscopy and /or full biopsy. The endeoscopy is not such a high risk your vet is implying, it's not really all that invasive..just a camera put up the bum and samples can be taken. Has he checked her anal glands to see if they are compacted or infected? Has he suggested an ultra scan to have a look inside her tummy? Has bloods been taken to check for general health or epi. How is her weight? Any loss?

If he feels it's related to food then he should have recommended an elimination diet, where cat eats a novel protein for a period of time, then slowly other food is introduced, ingredients noted and reactions noted. Have you tried a raw diet? Is she just on the d/d as of present? With no treats?

Steroids can be useful but I would only use them short term to get her "back on track" tho to note they did not really have much of an affect on my cat.

As for the antihistamine, sorry don't know about that and the effect it could have. A food intolerance can cause itchy skin tho.

I would go back to your vets and ask for more tests, also it would try an elimination diet to see what food is being reacted too.

On my front..Riley has been doing fine until past couple of days :mad2: I'm going to make an app with my vet to discuss it..he also needs his bloods doing and his boosters (poor boy)

 

Nothing much to add to Nicola's post,she sadly,has become a bit of an expert on IBD which affects the lower digestive tract.
My Raggie Meeko has a problem with the opposite end,in that he vomits every few days,still IBD but affecting the upper digestive tract .
He also has had all the tests,endoscopy/biopsy,xrays, blood and poo tests ,He was given a hydrolyzed protein diet .......... Hills Prescription Diet Feline Z/D - Hills | Petmeds.co.uk
Being a fussy sod he refused to eat it.The wet is disgusting, the dry a bit better .
I think as Nicola has said your vet really does need to do some tests to try to eliminate other problems before saying it is IBD.

 

On my front..Riley has been doing fine until past couple of days :mad2: I'm going to make an app with my vet to discuss it..he also needs his bloods doing and his boosters (poor boy)

Sorry to read that Riley is still having probs , (and you have a migraine)so much for avoiding the vet this side of Chrimbo

 

Firstly..welcome..bare with me I have had a migraine today and head is a bit fuzzy..

Has the cats poo been fully sampled for parasitic or bacterial nasties?

Ibd can only be diagnosed with endeoscopy and /or full biopsy. The endeoscopy is not such a high risk your vet is implying, it's not really all that invasive..just a camera put up the bum and samples can be taken. Has he checked her anal glands to see if they are compacted or infected? Has he suggested an ultra scan to have a look inside her tummy? Has bloods been taken to check for general health or epi. How is her weight? Any loss?

If he feels it's related to food then he should have recommended an elimination diet, where cat eats a novel protein for a period of time, then slowly other food is introduced, ingredients noted and reactions noted. Have you tried a raw diet? Is she just on the d/d as of present? With no treats?

Steroids can be useful but I would only use them short term to get her "back on track" tho to note they did not really have much of an affect on my cat.

As for the antihistamine, sorry don't know about that and the effect it could have. A food intolerance can cause itchy skin tho.

I would go back to your vets and ask for more tests, also it would try an elimination diet to see what food is being reacted too.

On my front..Riley has been doing fine until past couple of days :mad2: I'm going to make an app with my vet to discuss it..he also needs his bloods doing and his boosters (poor boy)

Hey Nicolaa, glad to hear Rileys doing okay.

So we've done blood tests and fecal tests, did a bunch of dewormers, did some gardia killer called albon, did a couple months of revolution dewormer, so were pretty much 100% positive its not parasites at this point, nor was it ever parasites, I probably should of mentioned that.

We've done xrays, the cats weight is good, she eats plenty.

At any rate, were saving our money for the full biopsy, (my vet recommended skipping the endoscopy) but on another note the cat has been really responsive (except as of late) to the diet change / and medicines. I'm thinking this may be a "flair up"?

My vet said basically at this point he's 99% positive its IBD or cancer which is why he's not recommending the full biopsy at all.

I'm also living paycheck to paycheck, and the meds (antihistimine, proviable, and metrinitizole once every few months) there's not infinite money for diagnostics

He told me the d/d venison was an elimination diet and if my cat didn't respond to it that it wasn't food allergies, but general IBD. We also tried the duck for 3 months. The cat responded WELL to both, but since it did not go away 100%, that it points to IBD that relies on healthier food to avoid irritation or bleeding/flair ups

My problem today is the antihistmine stopped working and the cat has itchy skin and is meowing and scooting. I've read you're doing the steroids yourself. I've been able to successfully avoid them using over the counter stuff (chloratimatron) but for some reason it has stopped working a year later.

Thanks for reading, praying you and yours see progress

PS. I wanted to mention I did goto a second opinion and the guy was freaking clueless.