[chillminx]

what about a raw diet? Ive been looking on the net and seen some for it - saying can reverse the symptoms and others saying it should not be given to cats with ibd??

My cat was on part raw diet (beef, lamb, lambs kidneys, chicken livers) and he had a really bad flare-up. It may not have been the raw that caused it but the vet (who is actually sympathetic to the idea of raw feeding) said she thought the raw I was feeding him was too fatty for a cat with IBD.

Perhaps my cat would have been OK on a very low fat meat such as rabbit,
venison, or even wild game bird, but he doesn't like any of them

The vet said she thought it best not to feed an IBD cat with raw, simply because there is the risk of bacterial infection (salmonella) even tho not a large risk. That would cause diarrhoea which would probably trigger a flare up of the IBD.

But my thoughts are that, some cats' IBD may be caused by food intolerances, or sensitivities to additives, colourings, flavourings and fillers, and the great thing with raw is there are none of those in it, just meat/bone/offal. So it may be worth considering, tho I won't be doing it with mine as I say because of the recent bad experience.

 

[nicolaa123]

My cat was on part raw diet (beef, lamb, lambs kidneys, chicken livers) and he had a really bad flare-up. It may not have been the raw that caused it but the vet (who is actually sympathetic to the idea of raw feeding) said she thought the raw I was feeding him was too fatty for a cat with IBD.

Perhaps my cat would have been OK on a very low fat meat such as rabbit,
venison, or even wild game bird, but he doesn't like any of them

The vet said she thought it best not to feed an IBD cat with raw, simply because there is the risk of bacterial infection (salmonella) even tho not a large risk. That would cause diarrhoea which would probably trigger a flare up of the IBD.

But my thoughts are that, some cats' IBD may be caused by food intolerances, or sensitivities to additives, colourings, flavourings and fillers, and the great thing with raw is there are none of those in it, just meat/bone/offal. So it may be worth considering, tho I won't be doing it with mine as I say because of the recent bad experience.

I can understand that....when I go back to talk about treatment I will talk about food etc, plus will ask about adding extra fibre to his food

 

[chillminx]

Cazzer & Buffie -- Thought you might be interested in the following snippet:

I contacted Royal Canin Advce Line and they informed me all their Sensitivity Control wet foods (chicken & rice pouches, duck alutray & chicken alutray) contain a proportion of hydrolised protein (the liver content to be specific) but the main part of the protein is not hydrolised.

They also confirmed the only food they make at present that contains all hydrolised protein is the Hypoallergenic dry food. There are no plans at present to bring out a wet version of the Hypoallergenic.

 

[Cazzer]

thanks for that clarification!

 

[nicolaa123]

Cazzer & Buffie -- Thought you might be interested in the following snippet:

I contacted Royal Canin Advce Line and they informed me all their Sensitivity Control wet foods (chicken & rice pouches, duck alutray & chicken alutray) contain a proportion of hydrolised protein (the liver content to be specific) but the main part of the protein is not hydrolised.

They also confirmed the only food they make at present that contains all hydrolised protein is the Hypoallergenic dry food. There are no plans at present to bring out a wet version of the Hypoallergenic.

Ive searched about hydrolized but got bit confused, read they break it down in acid? Then I came across this http://www.2ndchance.info/homemadediets-novelproteinVsHydrozd.pdf which makes sense why some people feed baby food.

On another note managed to get a sample from Riley, some of the poo was really dark and some really light and we had blood again...not so much and I'm not surprised as he has finished the course of ab's.

 

[buffie]

Cazzer & Buffie -- Thought you might be interested in the following snippet:

I contacted Royal Canin Advce Line and they informed me all their Sensitivity Control wet foods (chicken & rice pouches, duck alutray & chicken alutray) contain a proportion of hydrolised protein (the liver content to be specific) but the main part of the protein is not hydrolised.

They also confirmed the only food they make at present that contains all hydrolised protein is the Hypoallergenic dry food. There are no plans at present to bring out a wet version of the Hypoallergenic.

Thanks chillminx

 

[nicolaa123]

Sorry to moan....but I can not wait to get rileys samples off to the vet...he has been in 3 days now and has only produced one sample which was yesterday..he has hardly eaten today, just picking at his food. He has cried and cried and cried and cried, getting himself worked up as he wants to go out.

Hopefully can get the samples off to the vet tomorrow then next week we can talk about next steps. I will also be interested to see what his weight is, hope he has not lost more....

 

[buffie]

Sorry to moan....but I can not wait to get rileys samples off to the vet...he has been in 3 days now and has only produced one sample which was yesterday..he has hardly eaten today, just picking at his food. He has cried and cried and cried and cried, getting himself worked up as he wants to go out.

Hopefully can get the samples off to the vet tomorrow then next week we can talk about next steps. I will also be interested to see what his weight is, hope he has not lost more....

Sounds like Riley is getting stressed out,poor boy If only we could explain to them that it was for their own good.
Hope he starts eating properly soon ,cos without it there wont be any poop to sample It sure aint easy this slave lark.

 

[nicolaa123]

Sounds like Riley is getting stressed out,poor boy If only we could explain to them that it was for their own good.
Hope he starts eating properly soon ,cos without it there wont be any poop to sample It sure aint easy this slave lark.

ok don't laugh at me too much please, but just earlier I even pretended to use the tray myself to show him that it was ok and if he just goes (I can tell he does) then all would be ok....the things I do..:-/

 

[buffie]

ok don't laugh at me too much please, but just early I even pretending to use the tray myself to show him that it was ok and if he just goes (I can tell he does) then all would be ok....the things I do..:-/

:w00t: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Sorry couldnt help myself

 

[nicolaa123]

Hanging my head in shame here


I've just given him his flea treatment, should have done last week, but due to vet trip thought be best to give it a week. Honestly you would have thought that I had just been horrible to him. I must look into the injection they can have as he hates the spot on once a month and i deflea every month..

He is currently sat on the coffee table giving me evils....

 

[buffie]

Hanging my head in shame here

I've just given him his flea treatment, should have done last week, but due to vet trip thought be best to give it a week. Honestly you would have thought that I had just been horrible to him. I must look into the injection they can have as he hates the spot on once a month and i deflea every month..

He is currently sat on the coffee table giving me evils....

You really do know how to make your self popular..........not

 

[nicolaa123]

You really do know how to make your self popular..........not

I am sure rileys revenge will be about 2am with a single claw on my face, never hard enough to hurt or mark me, but just to wake me up to say hi! As I normally get most nights!!

 

[buffie]

I am sure rileys revenge will be about 2am with a single claw on my face, never hard enough to hurt or mark me, but just to wake me up to say hi! As I normally get most nights!!

Followed by the heart warming smell of steaming poop :arf:
Just as well this is your thread as it seems to have wander somewhat "off topic"

 

[nicolaa123]

Followed by the heart warming smell of steaming poop :arf:
Just as well this is your thread as it seems to have wander somewhat "off topic"

whooops....

back on track....i looked at a yahoo group for ibd and some of them feed baby food as its hydrolized (to reduce risk of allergies in children) if you was to add all the extras cats need could this be an option. They did not talk about adding taurine to the food on there, which was a concern..

 

[buffie]

whooops....

back on track....i looked at a yahoo group for ibd and some of them feed baby food as its hydrolized (to reduce risk of allergies in children) if you was to add all the extras cats need could this be an option. They did not talk about adding taurine to the food on there, which was a concern..

Pass,sorry havnt a clue.PaddyPaws may be the one to ask that question to.I would have suggested hobbs but I think she must be either busy or taking a break away from PF as I havnt seen her around for a while.As far as Meeko is concerned it wouldnt matter what you added to it,he wouldnt eat it.
I'm getting a teeny bit excited if "His Highness" makes it to tomorrow it will be the longest he has gone(off medication) without being sick.(7 days)

 

[nicolaa123]

Pass,sorry havnt a clue.PaddyPaws may be the one to ask that question to.I would have suggested hobbs but I think she must be either busy or taking a break away from PF as I havnt seen her around for a while.As far as Meeko is concerned it wouldnt matter what you added to it,he wouldnt eat it.
I'm getting a teeny bit excited if "His Highness" makes it to tomorrow it will be the longest he has gone(off medication) without being sick.(7 days)

Wow, I really hope it goes longer than the 7 days.......it's all about managing this illness..

 

[buffie]

Wow, I really hope it goes longer than the 7 days.......it's all about managing this illness..

The odd thing is he has eaten the same food for weeks now.This IBD is a bugger to understand

 

[chillminx]

The odd thing is he has eaten the same food for weeks now.This IBD is a bugger to understand

I know what you mean Buffie, and I sympathise -- it used to be the same with one of my previous cats who had severe IBD. After a lot of trial and error I would get her stable, eating well on a particular *safe*food, and heave a big sigh of relief that at last I'd found the answer. Then suddenly she would have a really bad relapse!! It was very frustrating!

I recall my vet at the time telling me my cat's relapses were probably due to stress. But my cat led a very un-stressful life, in a quiet house, pleasing herself when she went outdoors, sleeping most of the time etc. There was nothing obvious I could pinpoint that might have caused her to get upset, that I could have addressed and changed.....

That was about 5 or 6 yrs ago, and I suppose if I had her now I would look at changing her diet to a novel protein, e.g. horsemeat, venison, or kangaroo, and home cook it myself, to see if that would make any difference. I may yet have to do that with my present IBD cat, but atm he is doing very well on RC Sensitivity Wet, Miamor Sensitive, and occasional Feline Fayre Chicken. Back to his old boisterous lively self!

 

[chillminx]

whooops....

back on track....i looked at a yahoo group for ibd and some of them feed baby food as its hydrolized (to reduce risk of allergies in children) if you was to add all the extras cats need could this be an option. They did not talk about adding taurine to the food on there, which was a concern..

The problem with baby food in the UK used to be that much of it contained sugars. Even the savoury ones! Not sure if this has changed, with current more enlightened thinking.

I remember, going back 25 years, there used to be a baby food that was pure meat, and I used to feed it to my cats when they were poorly and wouldn't eat anything else. They loved it, and thrived on it! But it was taken off the market in the UK, and replaced with baby foods containing vegetables, which none of mine would touch, whether they were ill or not!

However, I am fairly sure it is possible to obtain pure meat baby food from the USA, as I recall seeing it in the stores there some years ago. Maybe you could import some?