Buffie & Cazzer -- it says on the RC website's list of ingredients for Sensitivity Control that it contains "hydrolised protein" just as I had thought

Sensitivity Control SC 27 NEW - Royal Canin

The Hypoallergenic is only available in dry food I believe?

 

Just came across this article that I had bookmarked and had forgotten about..................
http://www.ivis.org/journals/vetfocus/19_2/en/3.pdf

That is really informative I've saved that..

 

Buffie & Cazzer -- it says on the RC website's list of ingredients for Sensitivity Control that it contains "hydrolised protein" just as I had thought

Sensitivity Control SC 27 NEW - Royal Canin

The Hypoallergenic is only available in dry food I believe?

I've had a look at the pouches sensitivity control pouches s/o on their website which is what I feed and there is no mention of that being hydrolysed. That said it does mention it in the SC s/o trays of the duck! I think the one you provide a link to is a new food so not sure what RC are doing whether the s/o is being replaced by the SC 27

too!!!

 

So then I would be better to try him on the z/d rather than the d/d to see if that helps him?

 

ok Karlo had no weight loss [he is somewhat rotund!], vomiting, blood, loose poo etc the usual symptoms of IBD. What he did have was a very odd walk [he was walking on his belly in short bursts and had a very rumbly tum]. The vets were at a bit of a loss initially and he was given steroids, metronidazole. He was then got better following this. He then got worse so repeated meds. He then got better only to get worse again. Scans revealed that the lymph nodes in the intestines were very inflammed. Anyway loads of tests later we hadn't found the cause of the problem so yes we did have the biopsy which confirmed IBD. I was really surprised as having had Oska and Sassie with similar problems there didn't appear to be similar symptoms.

In hind sight what I think caused the problem was cat grass. A couple of weeks before he was taken ill I sowed some seeds. Karlo went bonkers for it. It then was thrown away whilst some more grew.....he then went mad for that and so on. Needless now there is never any cat grass in my house!

Since the diagnosis Karlo has never had any problems with his walking. He does however get the runs if he manages to snaffle the other cats food which he never had prior to diagnosis.

He was on 2 and a half sachets of sensitivity control a day. He's now on one a day plus the grau and he is fine. I'm not sure whether to carry on like this or to eliminate the RC altogether but have several boxes yet to get through

Vet said with Riley it was probably caused by the bout of diarrhoea he had when he was young that caused ulcerations that led to scar tissue.

Hope Karlo continues to do well..

 

Buffie & Cazzer -- it says on the RC website's list of ingredients for Sensitivity Control that it contains "hydrolised protein" just as I had thought

Sensitivity Control SC 27 NEW - Royal Canin

The Hypoallergenic is only available in dry food I believe?

chillminx ...Royal Canin Sensitivity Control is a complete dietetic feed for cats formulated to reduce ingredient and nutrient intolerances. It uses duck as its selected protein source and rice as its carbohydrate. Indications that your cat may benefit from this choice include: food allergy, food intolerance, inflammatory bowel disease, diarrhoea or through a food elimination trial. It is recommended that a veterinarian’s opinion be sought before use. Feed for 3-8 weeks and if the symptoms disappear it can be used indefinitely. It works through a limited number of protein sources helping to reduce the risk of food allergies, a patented complex to support the barrier effect of the skin, fatty acids to maintain a healthy digestive system and a healthy skin and the inclusion of nutrients which support a balanced digestive system

RC Hydrolyzed ....Royal Canin Hypoallergenic feline diet cat food is a highly palatable, highly digestible, complete, and balanced diet formulated to meet the requirements for feline growth and maintenance. This diet is a hydrolyzed soy protein isolate, lactose, and wheat gluten free diet that is indicated in both the diagnosis and management of adverse reactions to food

Does this help

 

Thank you Buffie

The RC website actually says Sensitivity Control duck alutrays contain
hydrolised protein. But Cazzer suggests this is perhaps a new version RC is bringing out of SC.

However, going back 6 years when I used to feed RC Sensitivity to my previous IBD cat, it used to state on the pack it contained hydrolised protein in both the duck & rice and the chicken & rice flavours. So why the ingredients should have changed in recent years, and apparently now be about to change back again (according to the website info) I have no idea. Mystifying.

 

So then I would be better to try him on the z/d rather than the d/d to see if that helps him?

I can send you some of the Hills dry ZD I took the wet back to the vets it was like plastic pate there was no way I could have expected Meeko to eat it.I also have dry Purina HA if you would like to try that.I have to say that the hydrolyzed dry is so disgusting I'm not in the least surprised Meeko wont eat it,but he is a really fussy sod

 

I can send you some of the Hills dry ZD I took the wet back to the vets it was like plastic pate there was no way I could have expected Meeko to eat it.I also have dry Purina HA if you would like to try that.I have to say that the hydrolyzed dry is so disgusting I'm not in the least surprised Meeko wont eat it,but he is a really fussy sod

Thanks, but he is only on wet at the moment as the dry bungs him up too much then he strains to pass... I might try a couple of tins from the vet and see how he gets on, if he likes the wet, I can try and balance it out with some dry to help his weight gain....

 

what about a raw diet? Ive been looking on the net and seen some for it - saying can reverse the symptoms and others saying it should not be given to cats with ibd??

 

I can send you a tin of the z/d if you want as we had that for Oska who was PTS in the summer

 

I can send you a tin of the z/d if you want as we had that for Oska who was PTS in the summer

Yes please I would like to try it!

sorry to hear about Oska

 

I think it depends on what you cat has problems with. Eg if its chicken it wouldn't matter if it were dry wet or raw chiecken the cat would react the same. I tried Karlo with raw before he was taken ill and he would never eat any of it. There are people who swear by it though as being good for sensitive tums

 

Do you add any extra fibre to the food?

 

what about a raw diet? Ive been looking on the net and seen some for it - saying can reverse the symptoms and others saying it should not be given to cats with ibd??

My cat was on part raw diet (beef, lamb, lambs kidneys, chicken livers) and he had a really bad flare-up. It may not have been the raw that caused it but the vet (who is actually sympathetic to the idea of raw feeding) said she thought the raw I was feeding him was too fatty for a cat with IBD.

Perhaps my cat would have been OK on a very low fat meat such as rabbit,
venison, or even wild game bird, but he doesn't like any of them

The vet said she thought it best not to feed an IBD cat with raw, simply because there is the risk of bacterial infection (salmonella) even tho not a large risk. That would cause diarrhoea which would probably trigger a flare up of the IBD.

But my thoughts are that, some cats' IBD may be caused by food intolerances, or sensitivities to additives, colourings, flavourings and fillers, and the great thing with raw is there are none of those in it, just meat/bone/offal. So it may be worth considering, tho I won't be doing it with mine as I say because of the recent bad experience.

 

My cat was on part raw diet (beef, lamb, lambs kidneys, chicken livers) and he had a really bad flare-up. It may not have been the raw that caused it but the vet (who is actually sympathetic to the idea of raw feeding) said she thought the raw I was feeding him was too fatty for a cat with IBD.

Perhaps my cat would have been OK on a very low fat meat such as rabbit,
venison, or even wild game bird, but he doesn't like any of them

The vet said she thought it best not to feed an IBD cat with raw, simply because there is the risk of bacterial infection (salmonella) even tho not a large risk. That would cause diarrhoea which would probably trigger a flare up of the IBD.

But my thoughts are that, some cats' IBD may be caused by food intolerances, or sensitivities to additives, colourings, flavourings and fillers, and the great thing with raw is there are none of those in it, just meat/bone/offal. So it may be worth considering, tho I won't be doing it with mine as I say because of the recent bad experience.

I can understand that....when I go back to talk about treatment I will talk about food etc, plus will ask about adding extra fibre to his food

 

Cazzer & Buffie -- Thought you might be interested in the following snippet:

I contacted Royal Canin Advce Line and they informed me all their Sensitivity Control wet foods (chicken & rice pouches, duck alutray & chicken alutray) contain a proportion of hydrolised protein (the liver content to be specific) but the main part of the protein is not hydrolised.

They also confirmed the only food they make at present that contains all hydrolised protein is the Hypoallergenic dry food. There are no plans at present to bring out a wet version of the Hypoallergenic.

 

thanks for that clarification!

 

Cazzer & Buffie -- Thought you might be interested in the following snippet:

I contacted Royal Canin Advce Line and they informed me all their Sensitivity Control wet foods (chicken & rice pouches, duck alutray & chicken alutray) contain a proportion of hydrolised protein (the liver content to be specific) but the main part of the protein is not hydrolised.

They also confirmed the only food they make at present that contains all hydrolised protein is the Hypoallergenic dry food. There are no plans at present to bring out a wet version of the Hypoallergenic.

Ive searched about hydrolized but got bit confused, read they break it down in acid? Then I came across this http://www.2ndchance.info/homemadediets-novelproteinVsHydrozd.pdf which makes sense why some people feed baby food.

On another note managed to get a sample from Riley, some of the poo was really dark and some really light and we had blood again...not so much and I'm not surprised as he has finished the course of ab's.

 

Cazzer & Buffie -- Thought you might be interested in the following snippet:

I contacted Royal Canin Advce Line and they informed me all their Sensitivity Control wet foods (chicken & rice pouches, duck alutray & chicken alutray) contain a proportion of hydrolised protein (the liver content to be specific) but the main part of the protein is not hydrolised.

They also confirmed the only food they make at present that contains all hydrolised protein is the Hypoallergenic dry food. There are no plans at present to bring out a wet version of the Hypoallergenic.

Thanks chillminx

 

Sorry to moan....but I can not wait to get rileys samples off to the vet...he has been in 3 days now and has only produced one sample which was yesterday..he has hardly eaten today, just picking at his food. He has cried and cried and cried and cried, getting himself worked up as he wants to go out.

Hopefully can get the samples off to the vet tomorrow then next week we can talk about next steps. I will also be interested to see what his weight is, hope he has not lost more....

 

Sorry to moan....but I can not wait to get rileys samples off to the vet...he has been in 3 days now and has only produced one sample which was yesterday..he has hardly eaten today, just picking at his food. He has cried and cried and cried and cried, getting himself worked up as he wants to go out.

Hopefully can get the samples off to the vet tomorrow then next week we can talk about next steps. I will also be interested to see what his weight is, hope he has not lost more....

Sounds like Riley is getting stressed out,poor boy If only we could explain to them that it was for their own good.
Hope he starts eating properly soon ,cos without it there wont be any poop to sample It sure aint easy this slave lark.

 

Sounds like Riley is getting stressed out,poor boy If only we could explain to them that it was for their own good.
Hope he starts eating properly soon ,cos without it there wont be any poop to sample It sure aint easy this slave lark.

ok don't laugh at me too much please, but just earlier I even pretended to use the tray myself to show him that it was ok and if he just goes (I can tell he does) then all would be ok....the things I do..:-/

 

ok don't laugh at me too much please, but just early I even pretending to use the tray myself to show him that it was ok and if he just goes (I can tell he does) then all would be ok....the things I do..:-/

:w00t: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Sorry couldnt help myself

 

Hanging my head in shame here


I've just given him his flea treatment, should have done last week, but due to vet trip thought be best to give it a week. Honestly you would have thought that I had just been horrible to him. I must look into the injection they can have as he hates the spot on once a month and i deflea every month..

He is currently sat on the coffee table giving me evils....