[bcats]

Hi bcats
Thanks again & sorry for the late reply. I managed to order both types of cat good in all the flavours you suggested and also a cat climbing tree at the same time! It's all due to be delivered no later than Friday, so I will start to gradually introduce it into her diet and hopefully do away with her current diet, all being well. Poor Tessy was sick this morning after eating, but otherwise ok today. When I first took her to the vet 3 years ago, he also said she must have had a bang to the head at some stage because her pupils don't contract ... (contract? Don't get smaller). I took on another cat with the same eye condition previously but the previous owner said he was born with it. I will let you know how she gets on anyway & using the private messaging, thank you. I will later try your other suggestions as well, chicken necks for her teeth etc and she loves liver. The homeopathy sounds good too. I do live in the UK, but Tessy doesn't like traveling far in the car. Chillminx definitely knows her stuff, so if we can't find an answer, yes will then try Chillminx.

Be very careful with the liver. It can sometimes make poppy a bit loose. I only give it as a treat once a week a very small slither about one by two inches. Uncooked chicken wings are good but remove any skin or fat. Let her tummy settle down before you give her those. I would start her on the Kangaroo. That is very gentle on the digestion. Full of all the nutrients she needs. Chillminx advised me one meat at a time for a few day. That way you will see if she is allergic to any meat. If she is ok on the Kangaroo then you can do the same with another variety. Re Richard Allport. He will do a phone consultation. He books an appointment to call you. I used this method many times. You need to get your vet to give you a letter of referral. Richard I think will then send you a lengthy form to fill in asking you for details of the cats health. Questions like " does your cat like hot or cold. " may seem strange questions but very important in homeopathy because they are treating the animals as well as the condition. Your poor little girl has a lot of problems. A better diet should help. You will have to be very patient as it will take some time. Almost a year with Poppy because I couldn't find a food she would eat. She was very addicted to Whiskers. They add flavourings to make cats eat it as do many of the cheap brands. Please let me know if she accepts the Kangaroo.

 

[Burmese Boy]

Hi I am not replying to your post. I am new to the site and asked for some help with my IBD boy. My post is in Introductions and don’t know how to get it in the IBD thread.

 

[TriTri]

Hi Burmese Boy I have copied and pasted your enquiry below so any replies need to be typed below & you will need check here for replies I guess.

Hello, I am new to this site, I found it by accident. Briefly I have a small Burmese cat. He has had runny poo for a while not sure how long as he goes out. But I noticed he was getting really bad flatulence. I think the problem started a couple of years ago when his cat food brand was discontinued and they re- invented it containing vegetables! So the flatulence started and I did my dance with trying to find another reasonable food that he did not reject after a while, or did not cause flatulence or would eat. He could eat a food for a few months then reject and as I have 2 Burmese that was double trouble.

Anyway to cut a long story short, it became so bad that I could not even have him on my lap anymore and he is a lap cat. So off to vets diahorrea ( if that’s how you spell it) and flatulence only symptoms. So vet had 3 day poo sample, whichcame back ok for parasites and various other things they look for in these cases. Then gave a 10 day course on Metroniadozole, nightmare it’s awful stuff. The squits continued and in themeantime I had ordered Royal Canin Sensitive. Mika also had allergy tests and blood tests toinclude liver, kidneys and pancreatitis. The latter were ok but found out he was allergic to pork, fish, venison, oats and sugar beet.

Another trip to vets who gave long lasting steroid injection as he suspected IBD. Unfortunately 4 days after the steroid injection which appeared to give him loads of energy he went missing. Totally out of character for him and it was a nightmare 15 days of moving heaven and earth to try and find him. Then by some miracle he was spotted in a road 3 blocks back. He was like a little skeleton and obviously had eaten very little. I suspect he was locked in a shed or garage. He had lost 25% of body weight and only weighed 3.7 kgsbeforehand.

I went cold turkey on the Royal Canin as lesser of 2 evils with all the discovered allergies.He had had solid poo for 4 days since being found but after 2 days blood appeared (a first). Back to vets for another steroid injection. Vet not overly worried saying he could have been scavenging anything to survive. Over a couple of more weeks the squits did not improve and the flatulence came back and I was not sure about RC because of the rice, fish oil and sugars. So tried Cheshire Cat transitioning over a week flatulence subsided but squits continued. Having found your site I started looking at a novel diet and got Catz Kangaroo.

I have had to go back to the vet because he has had a few skin lumps come up they are like little scabby lumps. Vet does not know thinks could be bacterial, or more allergies. He has given a months supply of 5 mg steroid tabs 1 a day. He thinks gut biopsies necessary to rule out Lymphoma. I am not keen on this, it’s so invasive if it’s IBD. He has been on a mix of Kangaroo and Cheshire Cat senior chicken for 3 days and whilst he still has the squits there is no flatulence. I was wondering if anyone has had gut biopsies and how they went.? Since being found he hasmanaged to put on 1/2 a kg. Thanks Bernese Boy

 

[bcats]

Hi Burmese Boy I have copied and pasted your enquiry below so any replies need to be typed below & you will need check here for replies I guess.

Hello, I am new to this site, I found it by accident. Briefly I have a small Burmese cat. He has had runny poo for a while not sure how long as he goes out. But I noticed he was getting really bad flatulence. I think the problem started a couple of years ago when his cat food brand was discontinued and they re- invented it containing vegetables! So the flatulence started and I did my dance with trying to find another reasonable food that he did not reject after a while, or did not cause flatulence or would eat. He could eat a food for a few months then reject and as I have 2 Burmese that was double trouble.

Anyway to cut a long story short, it became so bad that I could not even have him on my lap anymore and he is a lap cat. So off to vets diahorrea ( if that's how you spell it) and flatulence only symptoms. So vet had 3 day poo sample, whichcame back ok for parasites and various other things they look for in these cases. Then gave a 10 day course on Metroniadozole, nightmare it's awful stuff. The squits continued and in themeantime I had ordered Royal Canin Sensitive. Mika also had allergy tests and blood tests toinclude liver, kidneys and pancreatitis. The latter were ok but found out he was allergic to pork, fish, venison, oats and sugar beet.

Another trip to vets who gave long lasting steroid injection as he suspected IBD. Unfortunately 4 days after the steroid injection which appeared to give him loads of energy he went missing. Totally out of character for him and it was a nightmare 15 days of moving heaven and earth to try and find him. Then by some miracle he was spotted in a road 3 blocks back. He was like a little skeleton and obviously had eaten very little. I suspect he was locked in a shed or garage. He had lost 25% of body weight and only weighed 3.7 kgsbeforehand.

I went cold turkey on the Royal Canin as lesser of 2 evils with all the discovered allergies.He had had solid poo for 4 days since being found but after 2 days blood appeared (a first). Back to vets for another steroid injection. Vet not overly worried saying he could have been scavenging anything to survive. Over a couple of more weeks the squits did not improve and the flatulence came back and I was not sure about RC because of the rice, fish oil and sugars. So tried Cheshire Cat transitioning over a week flatulence subsided but squits continued. Having found your site I started looking at a novel diet and got Catz Kangaroo.

I have had to go back to the vet because he has had a few skin lumps come up they are like little scabby lumps. Vet does not know thinks could be bacterial, or more allergies. He has given a months supply of 5 mg steroid tabs 1 a day. He thinks gut biopsies necessary to rule out Lymphoma. I am not keen on this, it's so invasive if it's IBD. He has been on a mix of Kangaroo and Cheshire Cat senior chicken for 3 days and whilst he still has the squits there is no flatulence. I was wondering if anyone has had gut biopsies and how they went.? Since being found he hasmanaged to put on 1/2 a kg. Thanks Bernese Boy

Hi Burmese boy. Your poor little cat is certainly going through it. From what you say it looks very much like a food sensitivity to me. The fact that he had no diarrhea after being missing for so long, (thats
if I have read it right) tells me because he had been starved and not given his usual food his digestion settled down some what. The Kangaroo is excellent for this problem it would be a good thing to continue with it. If you read my post above you will see how I went about introducing single protein food to Poppy. It will take time. You have to be careful to introduce slowly. While I was making the introduction I gave her cooked coley. I know they say that too much fish is not good but it is very gentle on the digestion and wont

harm on a short term basis. My vet was in agreement with this. Something I forgot to say was that during that time I gave Poppy Protexin Synbiotic DC. This is a Pre and Probiotic which is very good for the gut. Probiotic feeds on Prebiotic. Because of your cats serious gut problems he will have very little if not any in his system. This needs to be restored for him to recover. They come in capsule form which you can open and mix in with the food. I gave Poppy one a day am for a few months until her symptoms subsided. You can Google this product and it will tell you how it works. Keep on with the single protein. I have been told by a cat breeder that some cats are allergic to Chicken. Don't have this problem with Poppy but it maybe worth taking it into consideration at this stage. Gut biopsy I have never had done. It will be very expensive and invasive. I still occasionally give Poppy the Synbiotic when she occasionally has soft poo which I have found is caused by raw liver which I have been giving her once a week as a treat . It only happens if she has too much. A bit rich for her so will be stopping that and giving her Catz Finefood treats which are dried meat you will find them in Zooplus in the cat treat section. I hope this has helped. I am not an expert. Only telling you how I resolved Poppy's digestive problem. Good luck and please keep in touch.

 

[baubbles]

This is such a thorough thread it's help me a lot so thanks to everyone.

 

[Burmese Boy]

Hi Burmese boy. Your poor little cat is certainly going through it. From what you say it looks very much like a food sensitivity to me. The fact that he had no diarrhea after being missing for so long, (thats
if I have read it right) tells me because he had been starved and not given his usual food his digestion settled down some what. The Kangaroo is excellent for this problem it would be a good thing to continue with it. If you read my post above you will see how I went about introducing single protein food to Poppy. It will take time. You have to be careful to introduce slowly. While I was making the introduction I gave her cooked coley. I know they say that too much fish is not good but it is very gentle on the digestion and wont

harm on a short term basis. My vet was in agreement with this. Something I forgot to say was that during that time I gave Poppy Protexin Synbiotic DC. This is a Pre and Probiotic which is very good for the gut. Probiotic feeds on Prebiotic. Because of your cats serious gut problems he will have very little if not any in his system. This needs to be restored for him to recover. They come in capsule form which you can open and mix in with the food. I gave Poppy one a day am for a few months until her symptoms subsided. You can Google this product and it will tell you how it works. Keep on with the single protein. I have been told by a cat breeder that some cats are allergic to Chicken. Don't have this problem with Poppy but it maybe worth taking it into consideration at this stage. Gut biopsy I have never had done. It will be very expensive and invasive. I still occasionally give Poppy the Synbiotic when she occasionally has soft poo which I have found is caused by raw liver which I have been giving her once a week as a treat . It only happens if she has too much. A bit rich for her so will be stopping that and giving her Catz Finefood treats which are dried meat you will find them in Zooplus in the cat treat section. I hope this has helped. I am not an expert. Only telling you how I resolved Poppy's digestive problem. Good luck and please keep in touch.

 

[Burmese Boy]

Hello, thank you for putting my post on the IBD thread, l have not had any other replies yet, he is still on the kangaroo which is being mixed with Cheshire Cat senior chicken, it’s been about 4 days now and he is still not doing solid poo. Although he has lost the flatulence which he could clear the room with. The vet said he had solid poo after being found because of dehydration. Who knows?

I suspect that he may also be allergic to chicken or maybe his digestive system is so shot it will take a really long time to sort out. I will get some of the probiotics that you suggested. I can’t give him poached fish unfortunately as he is allergic to it. I have scoured Zooplus and Happy Kitty looking for other food pure rabbit or maybe goat something I have never had before. Maybe horse but I can’t find anything. I tried to get him interested in the Natures Menu raw but no chance. I need to do another 10 days of mixing before I can eliminate the Cheshire Cat. So onwards and upwards hopefully. At least I can get the steroid pills down him now. He had such a bad time with the Metro that he gets really agitated and scared with medication being given.

 

[TriTri]

Hello, thank you for putting my post on the IBD thread, l have not had any other replies yet, he is still on the kangaroo which is being mixed with Cheshire Cat senior chicken, it's been about 4 days now and he is still not doing solid poo. Although he has lost the flatulence which he could clear the room with. The vet said he had solid poo after being found because of dehydration. Who knows?

I suspect that he may also be allergic to chicken or maybe his digestive system is so shot it will take a really long time to sort out. I will get some of the probiotics that you suggested. I can't give him poached fish unfortunately as he is allergic to it. I have scoured Zooplus and Happy Kitty looking for other food pure rabbit or maybe goat something I have never had before. Maybe horse but I can't find anything. I tried to get him interested in the Natures Menu raw but no chance. I need to do another 10 days of mixing before I can eliminate the Cheshire Cat. So onwards and upwards hopefully. At least I can get the steroid pills down him now. He had such a bad time with the Metro that he gets really agitated and scared with medication being given.

Hi Bernese Boy, I don't know if you have read my thread re the cat I picked up 3 years ago starving & with very bad sickness and diahorrea and a gurgling stumoche for a very long time on and off and some blood in her faeces? She was found to have pancreatitis and extremely low levels of B12. (Also problems with one kidney and thyroid disorder). She is tiny at 3.115 kilos. Sounds to me like your cat may have IBD such as colitis. Have they checked his B12 levels? Was he checked for Giarrda which they said to me had same symptonsas IBD? Can they feel any lumps? My cat had overcome her sickness and diahorrea by remaining on certain same foods long term, but I wanted to rid the blood on the faeces & tried gradually introducing the kangaroo just over a week ago, but it brought back the sickness and diahorrea, so then tried introducing a tiny amount of turkey Granatapet, but that has done the same. My cat had probiotics and steroids and her steroids have very gradually reduced but she still needs them, I think they line the stumoche. She had pancreatic enzymes which helped a lot, but currently refusing them. Ive been told this type of illness can take a very long to sort out and even then there are flare ups. Good luck and keep us informed please. My cats stumoche settled initially with fish & roast chicken every day and felix fish in jelly pouches, and somehow the pouch food later changed to whiskas 7+ fish pouches, with a few biscuits. She does ok with a tiny bit of liver, but very small quantities. Because of her kidney problems I was told to limit chicken to 1 oz a day. Did you mention that the vet wanted to open him up to take a look? I thought I read that somewhere. The vet should be able to advise you what's necessary for your cat, but if it doesn't feel right, then get a second or 2nd and third opinion from other vets. I suspect it is going to take some time but he is relying on you to find a way.

 

[TriTri]

Be very careful with the liver. It can sometimes make poppy a bit loose. I only give it as a treat once a week a very small slither about one by two inches. Uncooked chicken wings are good but remove any skin or fat. Let her tummy settle down before you give her those. I would start her on the Kangaroo. That is very gentle on the digestion. Full of all the nutrients she needs. Chillminx advised me one meat at a time for a few day. That way you will see if she is allergic to any meat. If she is ok on the Kangaroo then you can do the same with another variety. Re Richard Allport. He will do a phone consultation. He books an appointment to call you. I used this method many times. You need to get your vet to give you a letter of referral. Richard I think will then send you a lengthy form to fill in asking you for details of the cats health. Questions like " does your cat like hot or cold. " may seem strange questions but very important in homeopathy because they are treating the animals as well as the condition. Your poor little girl has a lot of problems. A better diet should help. You will have to be very patient as it will take some time. Almost a year with Poppy because I couldn't find a food she would eat. She was very addicted to Whiskers. They add flavourings to make cats eat it as do many of the cheap brands. Please let me know if she accepts the Kangaroo.

Hi bcats, just to update you. I was hoping to have good news. Tessy was sick the first time she had the kangaroo, but I think she may have just eaten it too fast. I was careful not to give much and to mix it with her existing food, so after that I reduced it again to even tinier amounts mixed in with her food. She kept refusing it and the little she did have made her faeces soft again, so I then tried about 2 teaspoons of the turkey Granatapet with her existing pouch food. She use to have turkey and do well on it. The same happened here, she was sick the first time and thereafter what she did eat reduced her 100% good poo's to 5%, not good. It's only been 8 days but I've decided to stop it for now. Her poo's were good to 100%, but with some blood, so I will rethink it once she is back to her normal weight just 3.115 kilos. The chicken wings without skin will be mainly bones, so that doesn't sound right to me, giving her bones (?) but I'll mention it to the vet as she's due to go back soon. I think I will try the pancreatic enzymes again soon. She has however been livelier than usual, which has been nice to see. She hasn't taken much to the new large climbing tree with beds either! Fortunately I work from home, so I am able to keep a close eye on her. Thank you anyway.

 

[Burmese Boy]

Hi bcats, thanks for your reply, at the moment Mika is on 1 mg of Prednicare a day. I have just moved to 2/3 Kangaroo and 1/3 Cheshire Cat chicken. He is allergic to fish, I suspect he may be allergic to turkey as he had the diahorrea when on the James Wellbeloved turkey and although it said grain free it still had rice in it and the Royal Canin Sensitive had chicken and rice in it. Whilst he loved that food it also had sugars in it and fish oil and as he is also allergic to sugar beet the diahorrea continued. He does not vomit, it’s all poo orientated, he also has a voracious appetite which I understand is one of the symptoms of IBD. I suspect that he is also allergic to chicken which can be an allergen in cats. So basically it’s very difficult with him food wise.

At the moment he still has diahorrea but within the next 3/4 days he will be on100% kangaroo. If we are lucky it may cure it over time. He is ok now with the meds’ as they are tiny pills so can get them down him. Yes,he has been tested and pancreas ok. I believe his B12 levels ok as well. I don’t know about Giarrda, I will ask when I go back to vet in 3 weeks. This time I will check precisely what he was tested for, it all went pear shaped at the beginning as a short while into starting investigations he went missing for 16 days, so it all became a bit of a blur with the stress.

I am not going to have him biopsied at the moment it’s too invasive - even though the vet suggested it as the only option. I will go for an ex ray or ultrasound. I don’t think they can feel any lumps as he has had his tummy felt and no comment was made. I am going to stick to the first of the vets I saw who is also a partner in the practice - but does not want to biopsy him on the grounds it very invasive. So differing opinions there!

I also managed to get onto Vet Concept site and get it translated. I know that they sell rabbit and goat and a few others that he will never have eaten so won’t be allergicor sensitive to. So I feel less down as there are other food options that can be tried.

As you say it’s a very long road I have finally started to let him out again after being kept in for 6 weeks. That will lessen his stress and may help. I hope you girl is coming along still. This site is a godsend. Thanks.

 

[TriTri]

Hi bcats, thanks for your reply, at the moment Mika is on 1 mg of Prednicare a day. I have just moved to 2/3 Kangaroo and 1/3 Cheshire Cat chicken. He is allergic to fish, I suspect he may be allergic to turkey as he had the diahorrea when on the James Wellbeloved turkey and although it said grain free it still had rice in it and the Royal Canin Sensitive had chicken and rice in it. Whilst he loved that food it also had sugars in it and fish oil and as he is also allergic to sugar beet the diahorrea continued. He does not vomit, it's all poo orientated, he also has a voracious appetite which I understand is one of the symptoms of IBD. I suspect that he is also allergic to chicken which can be an allergen in cats. So basically it's very difficult with him food wise.

At the moment he still has diahorrea but within the next 3/4 days he will be on100% kangaroo. If we are lucky it may cure it over time. He is ok now with the meds' as they are tiny pills so can get them down him. Yes,he has been tested and pancreas ok. I believe his B12 levels ok as well. I don't know about Giarrda, I will ask when I go back to vet in 3 weeks. This time I will check precisely what he was tested for, it all went pear shaped at the beginning as a short while into starting investigations he went missing for 16 days, so it all became a bit of a blur with the stress.

I am not going to have him biopsied at the moment it's too invasive - even though the vet suggested it as the only option. I will go for an ex ray or ultrasound. I don't think they can feel any lumps as he has had his tummy felt and no comment was made. I am going to stick to the first of the vets I saw who is also a partner in the practice - but does not want to biopsy him on the grounds it very invasive. So differing opinions there!

I also managed to get onto Vet Concept site and get it translated. I know that they sell rabbit and goat and a few others that he will never have eaten so won't be allergicor sensitive to. So I feel less down as there are other food options that can be tried.

As you say it's a very long road I have finally started to let him out again after being kept in for 6 weeks. That will lessen his stress and may help. I hope you girl is coming along still. This site is a godsend. Thanks.

Hi Bermese Boy, how are things with your dear cat? How's he enjoying the outdoors? My female cat with the pancreatitis /blood in her faeces (and thyroid condition with some kidney trouble and a slight heart murmur and the odd seizure) takes prednicare too. She is due to go back to the vet in a few days time and is due another B12 injection and maybe blood tests for her thyroid. Was pleased to hear your boy doesn't have low B12 levels and pancreatitis, or is sick. That's good. How old is he? How much does he weigh? My Tessy2shoes weighs just 3.115 kilos. Do you know how much weight he has lost and over what period of time? He looks lovely in the photo and I have my fingers crossed that he will soon be well again. If you do change his diet, I expect you know it must be done very, very gradually. If I change my cats diet even just a tad, it takes a while for her to recover. I'm so pleased your cat's got you, as I think there are many cat owners that don't even notice when their cats are ill, & some just won't even cough up for a vet trip etc. Lots of TLC and peace and quiet will take them half way. I presume they tested your cats faeces for Giarrda, but like you said, ask them when you go back. Is he wormed regularly as I found my black cat Max eats like a horse when he's due to be wormed?

 

[bcats]

Hi bcats, thanks for your reply, at the moment Mika is on 1 mg of Prednicare a day. I have just moved to 2/3 Kangaroo and 1/3 Cheshire Cat chicken. He is allergic to fish, I suspect he may be allergic to turkey as he had the diahorrea when on the James Wellbeloved turkey and although it said grain free it still had rice in it and the Royal Canin Sensitive had chicken and rice in it. Whilst he loved that food it also had sugars in it and fish oil and as he is also allergic to sugar beet the diahorrea continued. He does not vomit, it's all poo orientated, he also has a voracious appetite which I understand is one of the symptoms of IBD. I suspect that he is also allergic to chicken which can be an allergen in cats. So basically it's very difficult with him food wise.

At the moment he still has diahorrea but within the next 3/4 days he will be on100% kangaroo. If we are lucky it may cure it over time. He is ok now with the meds' as they are tiny pills so can get them down him. Yes,he has been tested and pancreas ok. I believe his B12 levels ok as well. I don't know about Giarrda, I will ask when I go back to vet in 3 weeks. This time I will check precisely what he was tested for, it all went pear shaped at the beginning as a short while into starting investigations he went missing for 16 days, so it all became a bit of a blur with the stress.

I am not going to have him biopsied at the moment it's too invasive - even though the vet suggested it as the only option. I will go for an ex ray or ultrasound. I don't think they can feel any lumps as he has had his tummy felt and no comment was made. I am going to stick to the first of the vets I saw who is also a partner in the practice - but does not want to biopsy him on the grounds it very invasive. So differing opinions there!

I also managed to get onto Vet Concept site and get it translated. I know that they sell rabbit and goat and a few others that he will never have eaten so won't be allergicor sensitive to. So I feel less down as there are other food options that can be tried.

As you say it's a very long road I have finally started to let him out again after being kept in for 6 weeks. That will lessen his stress and may help. I hope you girl is coming along still. This site is a godsend. Thanks.

Sounds like your working hard on Mica What a worry. You are going in the right direction. I would keep him off all kibble regardless if it is grain free. Poppy has had a bit of a setback because I gave her a raw chicken liver. Probably because there is too much fat in it. So it has been a bland diet for a week. Cooked chicken and fish. I have been told by someone on my Facebook group that turkey is better than chicken. Less likely to be allergenic and it contains more taurine.Poppy doesn't like it. Fortunately no problem with the chicken. This week I have been giving her a small amount of unsweetened tinned pumpkin. About half teaspoon a day. Very good for bulking up poo. May help your boy. Very nutritious. Poppy will eat it off a spoon. Plenty of advice on line. I posted a thread on it this week. Not read all the comments yet. Keep in touch.

 

[Burmese Boy]

Hi Bermese Boy, how are things with your dear cat? How's he enjoying the outdoors? My female cat with the pancreatitis /blood in her faeces (and thyroid condition with some kidney trouble and a slight heart murmur and the odd seizure) takes prednicare too. She is due to go back to the vet in a few days time and is due another B12 injection and maybe blood tests for her thyroid. Was pleased to hear your boy doesn't have low B12 levels and pancreatitis, or is sick. That's good. How old is he? How much does he weigh? My Tessy2shoes weighs just 3.115 kilos. Do you know how much weight he has lost and over what period of time? He looks lovely in the photo and I have my fingers crossed that he will soon be well again. If you do change his diet, I expect you know it must be done very, very gradually. If I change my cats diet even just a tad, it takes a while for her to recover. I'm so pleased your cat's got you, as I think there are many cat owners that don't even notice when their cats are ill, & some just won't even cough up for a vet trip etc. Lots of TLC and peace and quiet will take them half way. I presume they tested your cats faeces for Giarrda, but like you said, ask them when you go back. Is he wormed regularly as I found my black cat Max eats like a horse when he's due to be wormed?

 

[Burmese Boy]

Hello bcats, things not going that well, Mika has now been on kangaroo for 3 weeks and a daily steroid tab and nothing has changed, he still has chronic diahorrea. So I don’t think the food is doing him any good. I do remember reading somewhere on this site that the kangaroo could cause sloppy poo because of the amount of heart it contained. It’s also given my other Burmese the squits as well. I feel disheartened at the moment. Mika is ravenous because of the steroids and it’s so hard. I have ordered some Hills Zd wet to see if that will stop his diahorrea, , I have tried so many foods and nothing seems to work. He has not had dried food for over a month now and it never was his main food anyway. I think that I am going to get him x-rayed or an ultrasound to see if that throws anything up. I still can’t have a biopsy done it’s so invasive. I am feeling defeated at the moment. He can’t have fish as he is allergic to it. He had squits on turkey, he won’t eat plain chicken and I think he is allergic to chicken anyway. I nearly ordered Terra Faelis Rabbit to try that but it’s such a slow process switching food. So I will go with the Hills zd, it’s hydrolised and probably horrible but if it can fool his body into not recognising protein it’s worth a go. Sorry not to have anymore positive news. How is Poppy at the moment? How old is she, Mika is 8 1/2 where do you get tinned pumpkin from, l could cook some pumpkin and offer it to him but I can’t see he will eat it. Do cats especially like the taste?

 

[Burmese Boy]

Hi Bermese Boy, how are things with your dear cat? How's he enjoying the outdoors? My female cat with the pancreatitis /blood in her faeces (and thyroid condition with some kidney trouble and a slight heart murmur and the odd seizure) takes prednicare too. She is due to go back to the vet in a few days time and is due another B12 injection and maybe blood tests for her thyroid. Was pleased to hear your boy doesn't have low B12 levels and pancreatitis, or is sick. That's good. How old is he? How much does he weigh? My Tessy2shoes weighs just 3.115 kilos. Do you know how much weight he has lost and over what period of time? He looks lovely in the photo and I have my fingers crossed that he will soon be well again. If you do change his diet, I expect you know it must be done very, very gradually. If I change my cats diet even just a tad, it takes a while for her to recover. I'm so pleased your cat's got you, as I think there are many cat owners that don't even notice when their cats are ill, & some just won't even cough up for a vet trip etc. Lots of TLC and peace and quiet will take them half way. I presume they tested your cats faeces for Giarrda, but like you said, ask them when you go back. Is he wormed regularly as I found my black cat Max eats like a horse when he's due to be wormed?

 

[Burmese Boy]

HelloTri Tri, things not going well, Mika still has chronic diahorrea, the kangaroo not made a difference nor have the steroids and he has now had 2 monthly injections and daily tabs for last 3 weeks. The Royal Canin sensitive didn’t work nor the Cheshire Cat nor any food I have tried so far. I had pinned my hopes on the kangaroo as a novel protein but I don’t feel I can keep giving it to him knowing it’s going to come out liquid.
I have now ordered Hills z/d, it’s seems to be horrible but as it’s hydrolised it may fool his body so the proteins are not recognised and ease the diahorrea- that’s assuming he will eat it. Mind you the steroids have made him ravenous which is awful, he is just desperate for food all the time so hopefully he will. It just having to yet again slowly introduce a new food. He did weigh 3.8 kgs, then when he went missing for 15 days he lost so much weight as I think he got shut in somewhere and consequently went down to 2.9 kgs.
I think he has gone up to about 3.4 kgs now, but as not seen vet for a couple of weeks not sure. I have never wormed him his flea treatment is Advocat and I believe that treats worms, he had his poo tested and no parasites were found. When I take him back I will ask about Giardia and Trichomoniasis or however it’s spelt!. He is not really bothered to go out now which is not like him at all. I don’t know if it’s the fear of when he got shut in or because all he wants to do is sit in the kitchen hoping for more food or just he does not feel very well. Who knows.
He must be uncomfortable with the chronic diahorrea. It’s a worry. Your Tessy 2 shoes has lots of health issues, is she a tiny cat like Mika or has she lost weight because of her problems? I wish they could talk it would make life much easier.

 

[Burmese Boy]

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HelloTri Tri, things not going well, Mika still has chronic diahorrea, the kangaroo not made a difference nor have the steroids and he has now had 2 monthly injections and daily tabs for last 3 weeks. The Royal Canin sensitive didn't work nor the Cheshire Cat nor any food I have tried so far. I had pinned my hopes on the kangaroo as a novel protein but I don't feel I can keep giving it to him knowing it's going to come out liquid.
I have now ordered Hills z/d, it's seems to be horrible but as it's hydrolised it may fool his body so the proteins are not recognised and ease the diahorrea- that's assuming he will eat it. Mind you the steroids have made him ravenous which is awful, he is just desperate for food all the time so hopefully he will. It just having to yet again slowly introduce a new food. He did weigh 3.8 kgs, then when he went missing for 15 days he lost so much weight as I think he got shut in somewhere and consequently went down to 2.9 kgs.
I think he has gone up to about 3.4 kgs now, but as not seen vet for a couple of weeks not sure. I have never wormed him his flea treatment is Advocat and I believe that treats worms, he had his poo tested and no parasites were found. When I take him back I will ask about Giardia and Trichomoniasis or however it's spelt!. He is not really bothered to go out now which is not like him at all. I don't know if it's the fear of when he got shut in or because all he wants to do is sit in the kitchen hoping for more food or just he does not feel very well. Who knows.
He must be uncomfortable with the chronic diahorrea. It's a worry. Your Tessy 2 shoes has lots of health issues, is she a tiny cat like Mika or has she lost weight because of her problems? I wish they could talk it would make life much easier.

 

[chillminx]

Hi @Burmese Boy - I am sorry to hear that poor Mika has been going through such a difficult time with diarrhoea.

If the Kangaroo is not helping to firm up his stools then you should take him off it, as it is evidently not agreeing with him. You need to try and find a novel protein that his gut can tolerate e.g goat, horse, reindeer, venison, some of which can be bought canned as you may know. Goat and reindeer come from Vet Concept in Germany, Venison made by Ropocat from The Happy Kitty Co.

Horse used to be available canned but seems to have been taken off the market, so you would have to buy it as raw meat and feed it cooked or raw (if you chose horse as the novel protein).

While Mika is on the novel protein exclusion diet for 6 weeks he should have nothing else at all except water. (No supplements, no probiotics, no dry food, no treats.) If you have other cats you should ensure he can't get their food. (Microchipped feeders are a boon in a multicat household). Ideally he should be kept indoors while on the diet so you know he has not eaten anything while outdoors, but I understand it's not always possible to keep outdoor cats in for weeks at a time without causing them a lot of stress.

If Mika is OK on the 6 week diet (i.e. his stool firms up) you can then start reintroducing other meat proteins to his diet. These should be introduced one at a time every 3 weeks, and they must be guaranteed single protein foods or the results won't be scientific and reliable. Keep a daily log of symptoms.

Single protein foods can be bought from www.zoo-bio.co.uk, www.thehappykittycompany.co.uk and www.vetconcept.de in Germany.

Zoo-bio UK sells :

canned Catz FineFood Purrr in pork, lamb, chicken, fish

The Happy Kitty Co sells :

canned Ropocat Lamb, Venison or Rabbit,
canned Macs Sensitive Turkey or Lamb,
canned Tundra Pure Turkey,
canned Granatapet Pure Turkey or Chicken

Vet Concept sells :

canned Goat, or Reindeer.

If you decide to do the Exclusion Diet I am happy to advise if needed. I have done this diet for 3 of my cats with great success. All 3 had food allergies, 2 of them have IBD and one has Dermatitis, all well controlled now.

I hope Mika feels better soon, bless him.

 

[TriTri]

HelloTri Tri, things not going well, Mika still has chronic diahorrea, the kangaroo not made a difference nor have the steroids and he has now had 2 monthly injections and daily tabs for last 3 weeks. The Royal Canin sensitive didn't work nor the Cheshire Cat nor any food I have tried so far. I had pinned my hopes on the kangaroo as a novel protein but I don't feel I can keep giving it to him knowing it's going to come out liquid.
I have now ordered Hills z/d, it's seems to be horrible but as it's hydrolised it may fool his body so the proteins are not recognised and ease the diahorrea- that's assuming he will eat it. Mind you the steroids have made him ravenous which is awful, he is just desperate for food all the time so hopefully he will. It just having to yet again slowly introduce a new food. He did weigh 3.8 kgs, then when he went missing for 15 days he lost so much weight as I think he got shut in somewhere and consequently went down to 2.9 kgs.
I think he has gone up to about 3.4 kgs now, but as not seen vet for a couple of weeks not sure. I have never wormed him his flea treatment is Advocat and I believe that treats worms, he had his poo tested and no parasites were found. When I take him back I will ask about Giardia and Trichomoniasis or however it's spelt!. He is not really bothered to go out now which is not like him at all. I don't know if it's the fear of when he got shut in or because all he wants to do is sit in the kitchen hoping for more food or just he does not feel very well. Who knows.
He must be uncomfortable with the chronic diahorrea. It's a worry. Your Tessy 2 shoes has lots of health issues, is she a tiny cat like Mika or has she lost weight because of her problems? I wish they could talk it would make life much easier.

Poor Mika. Well he weighs more than Tessytwoshoes. She was 3.115 kilos a month ago and 3.015 kilos now. I found her 3 years ago yesterday with awful sickness and diahorrea and she was howling and starving. I have her diet sorted now for usually perfect stools, except for the odd bit of blood. The sickness I think, is when she feels ill and had not eaten, then gets hungry & eats too fast or a little much, but this may also have been down to her thyroid, now treated. (A previous cat of mine was constantly sick until diagnosed with her thyroid disorder, like Tessy). She's sick about 3 times a month now, and half a steroid every 3 days helps this, and B12 injections, but I remember you said Mika's B12 is fine. She won't eat boiled chicken, but enjoys roast chicken (can be cooked in a roasting bag) every day, which was the key food into getting Tessy on track. She was also fine on Felix fish in jelly pouch food, but now has Whiskas 7+ fish in jelly pouch food, but not the tuna flavour. She has a small amount of liver and occasionally but not often kidneys, every 3 weeks Ish the liver as she loves it. She has the odd few cat biscuits. She use to have fresh fish, like sea bass, and was good on it, but went off it. Most important thing is the less I change her diet, the better. The tiniest amount of kangaroo made her sick and the Granatapet mono protein, but my mum's fussy 22yr old cat loves the kangaroo so it wasn't wasted! Tessy also stays in when it's cold and sleeps a lot, partly down to her probably being old and down to her pancreatitis. When she feels good, I know about it as she goes climbing outside and howls from the roof, to be got down! The pancreatic enzymes helped, but she only has them when she is in the mood. The prokolin helped and was taken for a while. Have you spoken with Chillminx as she is extremely knowledgeable? If you find a food that works that he likes, stick to it, and are you sure he is allergic to chicken? Tessy had Advocate this month which treats most worms and she has Milquantel half a tablet every 2 or 3 months. It's important IBD cats are wormed regularly I keep reading. If Mika hasn't been tested for Giarrda, then find out why. This was the first thing she was tested for and my friends dogs had it for a very long time, caught from sharing communal water bowls, the vet told her. Let me know how Mika does, and so lovely, any more photos?

 

[TriTri]

Oh you have spoken with Chillminx, that’s great!