Hi..has your cat had a stool sample? If not that is where I would start and make sure they test for everything ie a 3 day pooled sample including TF.

What has your vet tried with regards to tests and meds?

I know she's been given metronidazole. There was another one too which also didn't work. I don't know what it was. As well as panacur. I'm on my 2nd day of collecting samples.

 

I know she's been given metronidazole. There was another one too which also didn't work. I don't know what it was. As well as panacur. I'm on my 2nd day of collecting samples.

You are better to collect samples when not on Meds as they can mask results. How long was the course of metronidazole ?

 

You are better to collect samples when not on Meds as they can mask results. How long was the course of metronidazole ?

Yes. I had to wait until yesterday to be able to start collecting them.

 

OK. A bit of an update. Another horrid loo overnight but she is up and about (albeit not rushing around like a loony). I've managed to get her to eat a small bit of watered down Nature's Menu - I've read a lot about probs being caused by intolerance to grain so thought I'd try a couple of pouches.
The 'breeder' has now told me that she WASN'T eating the whiskas food that she had originally said she ate, and that Imogen only ate the RC Maine Coon food that she fed their coon.
Assuming that is correct, and the fact the breeder says Im had no diet probs at her house, does anyone know if putting her on MC diet might clear things up? I would have thought dried food probably wouldn't help, but some of you have a lot of experience in this and might have an idea.
Thanks

 

How long have you had Imogen now? It is better to keep the original diet then make other food introductions very slowly.

 

I'm now entering the 4th week of having Imogen. The vet took my poo sample this AM and gave Immy a B12 injection. She said keep her on RC sensitivity even if it means she won't eat sometimes. I've got to give her panacur again for 10 days this time and we are trying pro kalin. She now weighs 1.12kg. Still small but at least she's putting on a bit of weight. Vet is hopeful well resolve this but thinks its a long haul job. Vet also confirmed what I had suspected: that Immy isn't Persian cross and looks more like Maine coon (interestingly the 'bred dee' had a Maine coon in the house and Immys mum was apparently out, so I didn't get to see her.

 

So not a registered breeder then? See what comes back from the stool samples, what are they testing for? I always ask for a print out of results so I can keep them as a record, plus I tend to forget when I'm in the vets as head some times goes to mush!

What does the poo look like when she has been (sorry) any blood or mucus? Did the "breeder" worm her as a kitten? You say she is 12 weeks old and had her for 3 weeks? So she was 9 weeks when you got her? I doubt she has been wormed, so internal parasites could be what's causing this. Be interesting what the poo comes back with..

Hang on in there, hopefully it's just a case of internal parasites that can be treated..

 

So not a registered breeder then? See what comes back from the stool samples, what are they testing for? I always ask for a print out of results so I can keep them as a record, plus I tend to forget when I'm in the vets as head some times goes to mush!

What does the poo look like when she has been (sorry) any blood or mucus? Did the "breeder" worm her as a kitten? You say she is 12 weeks old and had her for 3 weeks? So she was 9 weeks when you got her? I doubt she has been wormed, so internal parasites could be what's causing this. Be interesting what the poo comes back with..

Hang on in there, hopefully it's just a case of internal parasites that can be treated..

Thanks. No it isn't a registered breeder. Just someone on Gumtree. :eek6: She said she had been wormed, but vet said to do it again anyway. NOw we're doing it a third time... Her poo is the most disgusting I've ever seen. Mucus and some blood. A few poos haven't had obvious mucus but most have and the smell is just gross. :sad:

I can't remember the tests but there are 3 that she is doing. And she is phoning me as the results come in.

 

Argggkkkk Riley isn't well..last couple of days not great in the poo department, but was waiting it out..tonight he had no interest in going out and is on the bed in a haunched up position..I've given him a hot water bottle wrapped up in case his tummy hurts..I will see how he is over night, we are due at vets anyway for weight check up soon..he has been ok for a while..just hope this isn't a sign of bad times ahead

 

Argggkkkk Riley isn't well..last couple of days not great in the poo department, but was waiting it out..tonight he had no interest in going out and is on the bed in a haunched up position..I've given him a hot water bottle wrapped up in case his tummy hurts..I will see how he is over night, we are due at vets anyway for weight check up soon..he has been ok for a while..just hope this isn't a sign of bad times ahead

Sorry to read this Nicola ,poor Riley ,hope he is feeling better soon.
Its such a disappointment when they have been doing well and then suddenly things take a step backwards
Big shovel full of healing vibes for the gorgeous boy on their way xx.

 

Hello. I'm very sorry Riley is unwell again.

I need to join ibd club.

Mog has what's deemed a mild case of ibd so far. Chronic vomiting and constipation. I had been taking her to a really rubbish vet so changed to a better practice.

One of the reasons I picked the practice is because on their website they advise against dry food for cats and give the usual reasons.

The vet spent a long time with me and Mog and advised dry food...

There is a sensible reason for this. When I adopted her at the end of October last year she was on purina one dry biscuits exclusively. I gradually tried to wean her off them. (for the usual reasons). And she didn't actually start being sick until I'd cut them right down.

She didn't take to wet food very well and only really liked gourmet perle which turned out to be bad for her. I tried rc sensitive wet (not the 'control' prescription one) and jwb wet - still threw up on both of those. She wouldn't eat the single protein ones (except for integra kangaroo sometimes) even when introduced very slowly.

I also tried cooked turkey thigh/chicken thigh with premixes. Felini made her throw up. Tc feline seemed OK for a bit but she got problems again in hairball season. And as she wasn't eating raw but cooked I was worried it wasn't properly complete and started adding raw egg yolk. So I may have had too many things going on. (I was also giving her sanofor for her constipation (which worked well for quite a while but then didn't) mixed in with a little tuna to get her to eat it).

The only thing I was absolutely sure she wouldn't vomit on was white fish and pure chicken breast (both cooked). So the vet said I can give her those and start her on purina one dry again. So I have. I am gradually reintroducing it along with her (non-complete) white fish/chicken diet. It's only been a few days but so far no vomiting. She is on miralax for constipation though (the vet had never heard of it but is happy for me to use it for now - hoping it can be resolved via diet though).

So it goes against the grain to be feeding her dry - especially a lower quality dry - but I feel out of options. She won't eat raw (or will only a tiny bit). I'd been giving her chicken bone broth for a couple of weeks (as described on the feline nutrition website) but no joy.

Although the practice advise against dry food I'm not sure the particular (more junior) vet I saw is so against it personally. (although she knows the arguments - saying she knew it wasn't like having mice etc). But I'll see how it goes. I can always opt to see a different vet at the practice.

If Mog's doing well - and it's still early days - next time I see the vet I'll suggest I mix in tc premix with the cooked chicken breast I give her along with feeding her purina one dry and see how that goes down. (vet said purina rather than a different dry food as it's the last known complete food she wasn't vomiting on).

At least I've got a vet now who is interested in my cat unlike my previous one.

 

Oh no , Nicola, I'm really sorry to hear that Riley is not so well at the moment. How does he seem today ? Dylan and I send all our positive vibes his way.

I'm also sorry to see that caftan and catslovelycats have felt the need to join this thread. No -one wants to be here but it is a fantastic support network.

Dylan is off to the vets on Thursday after his 6 weeks on gastro intestinal. I've made the appointment with the vet which I've seen previously so it could be interesting . He hasn't been any better on the GI and the automatic feeder seems to have had limited success. I'll report our progress, or not, on Thursday.

Best wishes to all other thread members and your gorgeous fur babies.

 

Thanks, forester. Sorry Dylan hasn't been better on his GI diet. I hope the vet visit is helpful.

 

Hi caftan , sorry to see you need to join us,not because we don't want you to,just that it means you have an ill cat.
Sorry if I have missed any posts but what tests has your vet done to lead him to think Mog may have IBD.
I may be wrong but the constipation doesn't sound like a normal IBD reaction.
"Dire rear"/vomiting are the 2 normal signs along obviously with other things.
Hope this new vet can get to the bottom (no pun intended) of his problems .

 

Oh no , Nicola, I'm really sorry to hear that Riley is not so well at the moment. How does he seem today ? Dylan and I send all our positive vibes his way.

I'm also sorry to see that caftan and catslovelycats have felt the need to join this thread. No -one wants to be here but it is a fantastic support network.

Dylan is off to the vets on Thursday after his 6 weeks on gastro intestinal. I've made the appointment with the vet which I've seen previously so it could be interesting . He hasn't been any better on the GI and the automatic feeder seems to have had limited success. I'll report our progress, or not, on Thursday.

Best wishes to all other thread members and your gorgeous fur babies.

Hi Forester what a b*gger that there is no improvement in Dylan on the new food .
Are you still going to ask for the Famotidine ,it may not work even if he agrees but unless you try it you will never know.
Hope it all goes well and you get somewhere ,it is so frustrating when everything you try has no effect.
Meeko seems to be doing well at the moment,I'm never comfortable saying it as he usually has a flare up as soon as I do.
Still being sick occasionally but not often and is eating a "wet only" diet still.
I am beginning to wonder if the lack of dry food may be responsible for the drop in his vomiting as I believe dry food takes longer to pass through the system,with his reduced gut motility that just may have caused a "back log"

 

Hi buffie,

Thanks and glad meeko is doing well,

She hasn't done any tests - she felt she could assume from the details I gave her from the last seven months or so and proceed as if. From what I've read I do too. Constipation rather than dire-rear can definitely be a symptom of ibd and chronic vomiting whilst otherwise seeming healthy really points to it:

Those frustrating vomiting cats! - Veterinary Medicine

As she said a surgical biopsy is the definitive test but she wouldn't want to put Mog through that. Or at this stage sedate her to give her other tests (Mog is too stressy to submit to eg an ultrasound without sedation - and it may not show a lot anyway at this stage.). She's only 4 so not geriatric issues. Plus she shows no other signs - healthy seeming otherwise for the past eight months. I was confident in the diagnosis (and much better than my last vet's "must have a very sensitive stomach") She has healthy colour she said - I assume she meant her gums. She has it mildly I guess compared with some of the cats here.

She is an anxious cat. She was rehomed due to a change in her previous environment stressing her out and the poor girl really found being uprooted and moving somewhere new hard. (Harder than other cats might.) She's a lot better than she was on that front but still nervy. (But she doesn't have the symptoms of ibs rather than ibd). And she's been to the vets more times than would have been helpful when it comes to stress of course.

 

re constipation:

Cats with inflammatory bowel disease may have a history of frequent vomiting (more than 1 or 2 times per month). Many owners erroneously think that this may just be hairball vomiting or “eating too fast”. Other cats have intermittent soft or diarrhea stools, or blood and mucous on the stooL Still other cats will have frequent bouts with constipation. Many cats have more than one of these symptoms.

 

She had her worst episodes of frequent vomiting back in Jan/Feb. My then (rubbish) vet could detect inflammation of the bowel via palpitation which took a couple of weeks to go down. Since then she has still vomited but no inflammation has been felt via palpitation.

 

Hi buffie, Yes, I do intend to ask ( for the third time ! )to try an antacid for Dylan .

I have posted that we haven't made progress however I have established that Dylan will vomit his breakfast every time that his first food of the day is eaten after about 6.30am. I have previously told the vet that approx. 90% of the vomiting occurs after breakfast but I have now produced a graph showing the times when he vomits to illustrate my point. How sad am I ? I just wished that I'd recorded the times when he's been fed when he hasn't vomited. The autofeeder , timed for 4/5am, has helped a little to prevent the breakfast " returns" however for some strange reason he's had a couple of evening vomits since I've been using the feeder

I will be going armed with my details of the vet concept kangaroo and goat as well as the ropocat venison just in case she decides to look at them this time. Pigs might fly ! I'm hoping that she won't say that its time for endoscopy/ barium enema etc as I really want to pursue the intolerance path ( as well as an antacid ) as I am convinced that he is sensitive to chicken as well as having an acid issue. I'm a bit worried about whether Dyl's insurance ( Petplan ) will cover me if I don't go along with her suggestion. One thing is certain though.....Dylan will not be going onto a dry food.

Its great news that Meeko is enjoying his wet only diet and that his vomiting has improved. I don't think that the improvement can just be coincidence. Long may it continue. Interestingly, I can't remember where I read it but I have recently read that dry food can increase vomiting due to irritating the stomach when it expands.

I'll update on Thursday...

 

Thanks all for his well wishes..he is a bit brighter today..but not interested in food so we are in an anorexic phase I'm guessing. He is sat on the window sill looking out so better than yesterday when he just wanted to lay on the bed. His bum looks a little sore tho..it's not enough for a vet trip so I will be keeping an eye on him..

Sorry to hear we have more in the club...

Buffie That's all I have to say

Forester..hope for a good vet trip and I for one will be most interested in what your vet has to say

Cat fan..not having constipation issues with mine, I will have a look at some references I have. Few things spring to mind with that is dry food can cause blockages, with my own cat it produced very hard poo, which I now think caused his anal polyp and slight prolapse.

Back to mog..has her poo been tested for internal parasites?
Did your vet suggest zyklene to help with the stress as stress alone can cause vomiting.

It seems that you have (like we all do) tried a lot of different foods in a short time period and this can cause stress and if you have a cat that is prone to reactions during food changes, you have to go even more slower than with a "normal" cat.

I think if was me, I would go back to the food that was a safe food for four weeks, keeping a diary of incidents, then try and change this (like adding two bits at a time) of a better quality grain free (should help with constipation) building up so slowly until you are feeding the other dry each time noting any changes. If a bad reaction is seen take it back a step and start again.

If this is successful then I would start to add wet (grain free preferbly a novel protein and single with limited add ons) at a teaspoon a time. Like I said this is a painfully slow process but necessary. A food not eaten before should not cause any reaction (that's the theory). Once you can get onto the novel wet single protein diet and have been for 4 weeks, you can then really start an elimination diet and find any trigger foods..

I will look into the whole constipation thing and ibd and come back to you

Poo and blood tests tho to rule other things out is really where I would start..

Hope that helps..

 

Sorry Dylan is having such a hard time. I would draw a graph if I were you as well! I hope it goes OK at the vets.

Like I say I don't think Mog has been as bad as other cats here but she's vomited frequently enough for me to find it really stressful so I do feel for you.

 

What I've just been looking at keeps bringing up megacolon..Think this also needs to be ruled out..

I will keep looking and add some links later..

How often is the constipation and what are the stools like? Any blood or mucus? Any accidents outside the litter tray? Is mog and innie or outie..sorry for all questions (you will get used to me)

 

Thanks nicola. Although she hasn't had poo tests/blood samples both vets have been confident it's not parasites.

I am not yet confident enough tbh to go against the new vet's advice at the moment so I shall go along with reintroducing purina one biscuits. It has grain in it but she wasn't constipated or vomiting when she was on it before. Her bouts of constipation have occurred when she's not been on any dry food. I'll still be giving her white fish and chicken breast too. I don't want to feed her purina one exclusively. When I next go to the vets I'll know how she's been on it and can discuss my concerns. And if she's been OK discuss any very slow tweaks. If it hasn't worked out I think the vet is thinking along the lines of a prescription diet.

She absolutely loves having the biscuits again after 5 months without (I reduced them over the second two months with me) - such an addict. I never really managed to persuade her on to wet food apart from gourmet perle which turned out to really not agree with her at all. After I had to stop the gourmet perle pretty sharpish I was still avoiding dry but struggling to get her on to anything complete which was always a worry. (And then when I put her on tc feline plus cooked meat I wasn't sure if it was adequate as it wasn't raw).

She has come to love her white fish and chicken breast which she'd never had before she came to me. Shame it's not an adequate diet for a cat!

Oh yes - I have been giving her zylkene for a long time now. (I forgot to tell the vet though). I told the vet she was an anxious cat but again she was much more anxious in her first 6 weeks here when mainly on the purina one and not being sick then. Plus there's no apparent pattern to her being sick and when she might be a bit more anxious.

 

Thanks, nicola, caftan, buffie.

 

Hi buffie, Yes, I do intend to ask ( for the third time ! )to try an antacid for Dylan .

I have posted that we haven't made progress however I have established that Dylan will vomit his breakfast every time that his first food of the day is eaten after about 6.30am. I have previously told the vet that approx. 90% of the vomiting occurs after breakfast but I have now produced a graph showing the times when he vomits to illustrate my point. How sad am I ? I just wished that I'd recorded the times when he's been fed when he hasn't vomited. The autofeeder , timed for 4/5am, has helped a little to prevent the breakfast " returns" however for some strange reason he's had a couple of evening vomits since I've been using the feeder

I will be going armed with my details of the vet concept kangaroo and goat as well as the ropocat venison just in case she decides to look at them this time. Pigs might fly ! I'm hoping that she won't say that its time for endoscopy/ barium enema etc as I really want to pursue the intolerance path ( as well as an antacid ) as I am convinced that he is sensitive to chicken as well as having an acid issue. I'm a bit worried about whether Dyl's insurance ( Petplan ) will cover me if I don't go along with her suggestion. One thing is certain though.....Dylan will not be going onto a dry food.

Its great news that Meeko is enjoying his wet only diet and that his vomiting has improved. I don't think that the improvement can just be coincidence. Long may it continue. Interestingly, I can't remember where I read it but I have recently read that dry food can increase vomiting due to irritating the stomach when it expands.

I'll update on Thursday...

Good for you! Being prepared is half the battle :thumbsup:

Didn't you see another vet that was more willing to work with your suggestions? If no joy as to see them..