the ones that contain bone which i believe is all the minces should not be cooked

The packet says you can use it cooked or raw!
Im sure even if there are bones, they are so small that it wont hurt.

 

Is it not just chicken thats been minced?? why would that make any difference to chunks of chicken?

The point of raw feeding isn't just buying a bag of mince and giving that to your dog. It needs to be a balanced diet including many different meats etc to have a healthy dog.

 

The point of raw feeding isn't just buying a bag of mince and giving that to your dog. It needs to be a balanced diet including many different meats etc to have a healthy dog.

I dont believe the person who mentioned feeding it said anything about feeding *only* that...

 

The point of raw feeding isn't just buying a bag of mince and giving that to your dog. It needs to be a balanced diet including many different meats etc to have a healthy dog.

Although an important point which needs raising and I agree, that's not the question asked as far as I see it. I'm not a fan of minces either. For me the major point of raw feeding is to clean the teeth. The cleanliness of the mouth has an impact on other internal organs and the ability for meat/bones to clean teeth is lacking for minces.

I also hate the commercialization of minces, especially so called "complete" ones. The ability to adapt to individual dogs is often lacking and at the end of the day you do not know what is truly in it.

Is it not just chicken thats been minced?? why would that make any difference to chunks of chicken?

Minces are different in terms of bacterial contamination compared to chunks as there is, by comparison a much larger surface area. Also dogs don't chew minces so minces have no teeth cleaning action. Humans chew as the digestion starts in the mouth. A dog's mouth and dentition simply cuts food into small enough pieces to swallow.

I see no point in cooking food for dogs. You lose nutritional value. I can understand why people are anxious about raw feeding with the scare stories often spouted but it very much seems to me a case of "repeat a lie often enough and it's true". I once asked people to describe bad experiences with raw just to see if people had run into problems. The main problem was dogs wanting to guard their "high value food". When you consider so many people on this and other forums feed raw how many problems with bacterial infections or bones are mentioned? Wouldn't you, if you had problems, make sure other people knew about it?

In my experience almost all of the problems of dogs who "didn't suit raw" can easily be tracked down to user error during the transition phase. This is one reason it is essential to do your research. If you aren't prepared to do the research I do not recommend feeding raw including minces as you are better off feeding a complete commercial food. Most dogs do fine on them, simply ensure you do get a quality one which doesn't always have to be the most expensive. Plenty of people here on these forums feed commercial although some also give the occasional raw meaty bone to help clean the teeth. 80% of dogs have dental problems by the age of 3 is a sobering statistic often mentioned and not just by the raw feeding community. Even there though, alternatives exist.

 

I feed mince in the morning to Bess. Sometimes it has bone in it. Sometimes it doesn't. It's more convenient for me as if I'm going to work I can leave her eating it without worrying. In the evening she'll get a bone meal or not depending what she's eaten in the morning. Today it's beef mince (no bone) with a whole rabbit for tea.

I also like mince as you know what's going into your dog weight wise which is important to me.

Prize choice minces do not look nice, more like a watery paste. You can get far better and cheaper elsewhere.

 

Firstly K, I used to like the PaH concept and approach but I'm afraid as with all larger concerns and supermarkets they've compromised and are more heavily now than ever in with Purina, thats Bakers, Beta and other poorer quality mainstream brands, sadly they also make their 'own brand'. Anyway, please don't feel you have to go down a raw feed route, it doesn't suit every dog anyway and you'll get too hooked up with the evangelicals of BARF. I don't go along with all they say and there are many good smaller producers of high quality dog food out there without all that faff about for no real long term benefits ( scientifically proven ). Frozen meat on their scale would worry me and I wouldn't feed my four dogs on it.

Sorry but I find this members posts offensive. He is trying to promote his own brand of dog food and not too subtlety. The raw feeders on here, including me, will promote the benefits that we've seen with our own eyes switching to raw.

Perhaps if a PF customer was to rave about the benefits of this persons brand of dog food we would listen more. But as far as I can see this person comes onto any thread vaguely connected with raw feeding and starts scaremongering.

A number of people on PF have their own business which is dog related. We know it - they don't try and discredit other businesses.

If this person was on my forum I would ban him. I'm too suspicious of his sneaky approach.

Rant for the day over!

 

I think the post about giving your dog a bag of mince, refers to the person who posted about buying the mince from Iceland and feeding that, it's not really a varied diet. The dog might not die as a result of feeding bags of mince from Iceland (other food shops are available) but I'd prefer to see a more balanced diet.

You do need to research raw feeding rather than just jump into it, so it's right that you're asking questions now. For me there's no value in cooking food, if you are going to go down that route, you may as well feed kibble, which is cooked as well, it would save you he hassle.

 

I have now decided to feed my dog home cooked food,but with a dessert of a bone to chew,for the teeth cleaning action.

what I do, is cook the rice.meat will be blanched in oil quickly,to release the flavour to make a gravy,which will be water,flour and gravy browning.(so it looks like commercial stuff,then I will cut that out)

I will used frozen meat,just because its easier and cheaper.The chicken strips are ace.
also the economy frozen pork chops.i use frozen veg,which doesnt need to be cooked.its fine defrosted.
Ive bought vitamin powder and protein tablets,and will use randomly.

 

Everyone seems to have jumped on to the raw feeding thing, assuming thats what I wanted to know, when in fact my OP was just asking about the quality of the meat, not for raw feeding at all.
I have a puppy with a bad stomach, and Im currently feeding him cooked chicken...I wanted to know if the quality of the frozen meat from PAH is any good for cooking him instead of fiddling around with supermarkets etc.
The reason I dont get from another supplier is I think most of them are online..certainly none Ive hear of near to me...and Im not in a position to store alot of frozen meat....anyway hopefully itll only be short term.
I do however question the person that said I might as well use a kibble rather than cooked meat. There may be things in a kibble people dont want to feed a dog...plus Im sure cooked meat is closer to what a dog is naturally supposed to eat than kibble?

 

Ive also read on the site link,that egg is a good ingredient for protein
Eggs are nice and cheap,too

 

Sorry but I find this members posts offensive. He is trying to promote his own brand of dog food and not too subtlety. The raw feeders on here, including me, will promote the benefits that we've seen with our own eyes switching to raw.

Perhaps if a PF customer was to rave about the benefits of this persons brand of dog food we would listen more. But as far as I can see this person comes onto any thread vaguely connected with raw feeding and starts scaremongering.

A number of people on PF have their own business which is dog related. We know it - they don't try and discredit other businesses.

If this person was on my forum I would ban him. I'm too suspicious of his sneaky approach.

Rant for the day over!

Call me stupid if you like but Ive just read his post 3 times and cant find a product hes promoting....have I missed something?

 

I think the post about giving your dog a bag of mince, refers to the person who posted about buying the mince from Iceland and feeding that, it's not really a varied diet. The dog might not die as a result of feeding bags of mince from Iceland (other food shops are available) but I'd prefer to see a more balanced diet.

You do need to research raw feeding rather than just jump into it, so it's right that you're asking questions now. For me there's no value in cooking food, if you are going to go down that route, you may as well feed kibble, which is cooked as well, it would save you he hassle.

Yes, I know what post it was refering to, but the point i was making is the post didnt say that was the only thing they feed....Katheteria just mentioned the iceland mince, and was jumped on by pogo telling her thats not raw feeding and would make her dog ill.

 

Everyone seems to have jumped on to the raw feeding thing, assuming thats what I wanted to know, when in fact my OP was just asking about the quality of the meat, not for raw feeding at all.

Id love to feed raw, but I dont think its for me...scares me silly!Just wondering if it is actually proper meat, and so as good as supermarket meat...or whether its just full of crap

Maybe that's why

 

Maybe that's why

why? Just because someone brought up raw...so I said I dont think its for me?
It still was not my original question...
There are already lots and lots of posts on raw feeding if I want to know about it ( tho thanks for the info everyone!) I just wanted to ask the quality of the meat in general!

 

I use frozen meat,from Iceland.
Chicken strips £2.50,already cooked,just needs defrosting,chicken fillets 4 for £3,diced chicken,big bags for £5.All cook from frozen.economy pork chops £3,and you get a few,I think about 8 chops. They do have other meats,but i dont buy them,as they are a bit more expensive. I do liver and kidney,thats dead cheap,fresh from tesco

No ill effects.
Ive been giving them bones for pudding,to clean the teeth.
Thats what I do.

Did you see my thread,with the pictures in?

 

which thread?

 

Just incase you were interested
http://www.petforums.co.uk/dog-health-nutrition/273288-feeding-dog-without-dog-food-3.html

 

why? Just because someone brought up raw...so I said I dont think its for me?
It still was not my original question...

I didn't ask why. I pointed out that you said "I'd love to feed raw" and that's probably why some comments were made about it. If you'd said after the first post that brought raw up "I'm not interested in feeding raw, it's not for me" then the discussion would not have turned into one about raw feeding.

But an important point has actually been made. The minced chicken, etc., (which I think is all Prize Choice at Pets@Home) is really meant for the raw feeding market. Despite the fact that it says on the pack that it can be cooked as it could contain up to 4% bone, it's not really a good idea as cooking it could make the pieces of bone sharp and brittle and may cause a problem.

 

I didn't ask why. I pointed out that you said "I'd love to feed raw" and that's probably why some comments were made about it. If you'd said after the first post that brought raw up "I'm not interested in feeding raw, it's not for me" then the discussion would not have turned into one about raw feeding..

I did ...."Sorry dont think I made my OP very clear...its not about raw feeding..."

But an important point has actually been made. The minced chicken, etc., (which I think is all Prize Choice at Pets@Home) is really meant for the raw feeding market. Despite the fact that it says on the pack that it can be cooked as it could contain up to 4% bone, it's not really a good idea as cooking it could make the pieces of bone sharp and brittle and may cause a problem.

Says who? Who has decided this meat is meant for the raw feeding market, when it clearly says on the pack for raw or cooked?
The fact that its small pieces of mince means youd clearly be able to see any bone that would be big enough to cause any problems...and Im sure they wouldnt say it can be cooked if it was going to be a big problem for dogs?

 

Just incase you were interested
http://www.petforums.co.uk/dog-health-nutrition/273288-feeding-dog-without-dog-food-3.html

Thanks

 

I would definitely avoid cooking the PC mince, its not that good raw never mind being cooked. It's very slodgy and watery. Lucky isn't even too keen on PC minces (apart from tripe) and she is a living hoover.

I only use them for tripe now although I'm thinking about ordering Lucky's food from a supplier so I can get all the unusual stuff like lambs heads and trotters.

 

I would definitely avoid cooking the PC mince, its not that good raw never mind being cooked. It's very slodgy and watery. Lucky isn't even too keen on PC minces (apart from tripe) and she is a living hoover.

I only use them for tripe now although I'm thinking about ordering Lucky's food from a supplier so I can get all the unusual stuff like lambs heads and trotters.

When you say very slodgy and watery are you talking about the blocks? Ive found them very watery...but the bags of chicken mince Ive found is not too bad

 

To answer your question; no the quality isn't good.

The meat is most likely sourced from intensively farmed animals; so if animal welfare is something that concerns you, thats something to consider; and it will be the waste/scraps left on a carcass after the prime cuts are taken for human consumption. It's not condemned meat, just what we as a species now refuse to eat.

It will be from mixed sources, not all of them British.

 

I did ...."Sorry dont think I made my OP very clear...its not about raw feeding..."

Well, you didn't dismiss it completely:

Sorry dont think I made my OP very clear...its not about raw feeding...at least not just about raw feeding, I meant the meat in general, for either cooking or raw

Ralphey has a bit of an upset tummy at the moment...when it clears up Ill seriously consider it

Says who? Who has decided this meat is meant for the raw feeding market, when it clearly says on the pack for raw or cooked?
The fact that its small pieces of mince means youd clearly be able to see any bone that would be big enough to cause any problems...and Im sure they wouldnt say it can be cooked if it was going to be a big problem for dogs?

Says Prize Choice and http://prizechoice.co.uk/

 

When you say very slodgy and watery are you talking about the blocks? Ive found them very watery...but the bags of chicken mince Ive found is not too bad

Yes, I have only ever bought the blocks of rabbit/chicken mince. They say rabbit on the pack but then when I got home found out its only 30% rabbit and 70% chicken. Only ever bought 3 packs and wasn't impressed.