Just wondering about the frozen dog meat you buy at petsathome etc..minced chicken etc etc...anyone know how good it is for dogs compared to proper cooked meat?
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the ones that contain bone which i believe is all the minces should not be cookedIt says on the pack raw or cooked
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feeding a bag of mince really isn't raw feeding.
Raw feeding is giving raw meat, bones and offal to mimic the food they would eat in the wild
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Well it is technically, just not one recommended by some people
Myths About Raw: Are ground raw diets an acceptable alternative to RMBs? may be of interest to the original poster. Not sure about the information from Saladin, K.S. 2004. Anatomy and Physiology: The Unity of Form and Function as this is, from what I can see, about humans, not dogs. Cannot find if it is the same with dogs with their different anatomy.
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Of course being a commercial food supplier you don't agree with BARF or raw feeding. You are prepared to put snide comments into threads but not actually discuss raw feeding itself as people who do so are simply "evangelicals" and wrong. Says a lot I think.
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Well if you want an ill dog.....Well it is technically, just not one recommended by some people
Myths About Raw: Are ground raw diets an acceptable alternative to RMBs? may be of interest to the original poster. Not sure about the information from Saladin, K.S. 2004. Anatomy and Physiology: The Unity of Form and Function as this is, from what I can see, about humans, not dogs. Cannot find if it is the same with dogs with their different anatomy.
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Is it not just chicken thats been minced?? why would that make any difference to chunks of chicken?
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The packet says you can use it cooked or raw!
Im sure even if there are bones, they are so small that it wont hurt.
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The point of raw feeding isn't just buying a bag of mince and giving that to your dog. It needs to be a balanced diet including many different meats etc to have a healthy dog.
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I dont believe the person who mentioned feeding it said anything about feeding *only* that...
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Although an important point which needs raising and I agree, that's not the question asked as far as I see it. I'm not a fan of minces either. For me the major point of raw feeding is to clean the teeth. The cleanliness of the mouth has an impact on other internal organs and the ability for meat/bones to clean teeth is lacking for minces.
I also hate the commercialization of minces, especially so called "complete" ones. The ability to adapt to individual dogs is often lacking and at the end of the day you do not know what is truly in it.
Minces are different in terms of bacterial contamination compared to chunks as there is, by comparison a much larger surface area. Also dogs don't chew minces so minces have no teeth cleaning action. Humans chew as the digestion starts in the mouth. A dog's mouth and dentition simply cuts food into small enough pieces to swallow.
I see no point in cooking food for dogs. You lose nutritional value. I can understand why people are anxious about raw feeding with the scare stories often spouted but it very much seems to me a case of "repeat a lie often enough and it's true". I once asked people to describe bad experiences with raw just to see if people had run into problems. The main problem was dogs wanting to guard their "high value food". When you consider so many people on this and other forums feed raw how many problems with bacterial infections or bones are mentioned? Wouldn't you, if you had problems, make sure other people knew about it?
In my experience almost all of the problems of dogs who "didn't suit raw" can easily be tracked down to user error during the transition phase. This is one reason it is essential to do your research. If you aren't prepared to do the research I do not recommend feeding raw including minces as you are better off feeding a complete commercial food. Most dogs do fine on them, simply ensure you do get a quality one which doesn't always have to be the most expensive. Plenty of people here on these forums feed commercial although some also give the occasional raw meaty bone to help clean the teeth. 80% of dogs have dental problems by the age of 3 is a sobering statistic often mentioned and not just by the raw feeding community. Even there though, alternatives exist.
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I feed mince in the morning to Bess. Sometimes it has bone in it. Sometimes it doesn't. It's more convenient for me as if I'm going to work I can leave her eating it without worrying. In the evening she'll get a bone meal or not depending what she's eaten in the morning. Today it's beef mince (no bone) with a whole rabbit for tea.
I also like mince as you know what's going into your dog weight wise which is important to me.
Prize choice minces do not look nice, more like a watery paste. You can get far better and cheaper elsewhere.
I also like mince as you know what's going into your dog weight wise which is important to me.
Prize choice minces do not look nice, more like a watery paste. You can get far better and cheaper elsewhere.
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Sorry but I find this members posts offensive. He is trying to promote his own brand of dog food and not too subtlety. The raw feeders on here, including me, will promote the benefits that we've seen with our own eyes switching to raw.
Perhaps if a PF customer was to rave about the benefits of this persons brand of dog food we would listen more. But as far as I can see this person comes onto any thread vaguely connected with raw feeding and starts scaremongering.
A number of people on PF have their own business which is dog related. We know it - they don't try and discredit other businesses.
If this person was on my forum I would ban him. I'm too suspicious of his sneaky approach.
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I think the post about giving your dog a bag of mince, refers to the person who posted about buying the mince from Iceland and feeding that, it's not really a varied diet. The dog might not die as a result of feeding bags of mince from Iceland (other food shops are available) but I'd prefer to see a more balanced diet.
You do need to research raw feeding rather than just jump into it, so it's right that you're asking questions now. For me there's no value in cooking food, if you are going to go down that route, you may as well feed kibble, which is cooked as well, it would save you he hassle.
You do need to research raw feeding rather than just jump into it, so it's right that you're asking questions now. For me there's no value in cooking food, if you are going to go down that route, you may as well feed kibble, which is cooked as well, it would save you he hassle.
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I have now decided to feed my dog home cooked food,but with a dessert of a bone to chew,for the teeth cleaning action.
what I do, is cook the rice.meat will be blanched in oil quickly,to release the flavour to make a gravy,which will be water,flour and gravy browning.(so it looks like commercial stuff,then I will cut that out)
I will used frozen meat,just because its easier and cheaper.The chicken strips are ace.
also the economy frozen pork chops.i use frozen veg,which doesnt need to be cooked.its fine defrosted.
Ive bought vitamin powder and protein tablets,and will use randomly.
what I do, is cook the rice.meat will be blanched in oil quickly,to release the flavour to make a gravy,which will be water,flour and gravy browning.(so it looks like commercial stuff,then I will cut that out)
I will used frozen meat,just because its easier and cheaper.The chicken strips are ace.
also the economy frozen pork chops.i use frozen veg,which doesnt need to be cooked.its fine defrosted.
Ive bought vitamin powder and protein tablets,and will use randomly.
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Everyone seems to have jumped on to the raw feeding thing, assuming thats what I wanted to know, when in fact my OP was just asking about the quality of the meat, not for raw feeding at all.
I have a puppy with a bad stomach, and Im currently feeding him cooked chicken...I wanted to know if the quality of the frozen meat from PAH is any good for cooking him instead of fiddling around with supermarkets etc.
The reason I dont get from another supplier is I think most of them are online..certainly none Ive hear of near to me...and Im not in a position to store alot of frozen meat....anyway hopefully itll only be short term.
I do however question the person that said I might as well use a kibble rather than cooked meat. There may be things in a kibble people dont want to feed a dog...plus Im sure cooked meat is closer to what a dog is naturally supposed to eat than kibble?
I have a puppy with a bad stomach, and Im currently feeding him cooked chicken...I wanted to know if the quality of the frozen meat from PAH is any good for cooking him instead of fiddling around with supermarkets etc.
The reason I dont get from another supplier is I think most of them are online..certainly none Ive hear of near to me...and Im not in a position to store alot of frozen meat....anyway hopefully itll only be short term.
I do however question the person that said I might as well use a kibble rather than cooked meat. There may be things in a kibble people dont want to feed a dog...plus Im sure cooked meat is closer to what a dog is naturally supposed to eat than kibble?
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Ive also read on the site link,that egg is a good ingredient for protein
Eggs are nice and cheap,too
Eggs are nice and cheap,too
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Call me stupid if you like but Ive just read his post 3 times and cant find a product hes promoting....have I missed something?
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Yes, I know what post it was refering to, but the point i was making is the post didnt say that was the only thing they feed....Katheteria just mentioned the iceland mince, and was jumped on by pogo telling her thats not raw feeding and would make her dog ill.
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why? Just because someone brought up raw...so I said I dont think its for me?Maybe that's why
It still was not my original question...
There are already lots and lots of posts on raw feeding if I want to know about it ( tho thanks for the info everyone!) I just wanted to ask the quality of the meat in general!
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