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Does KC registration matter?

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Sometimes, you get people post about their new pups, where you get a post something along the lines of, 'Hi, this is my new pup he's a staffie, but we haven't got his KC papers, doesn't matter though because I don't want to show him'.

There are a couple of issues that relate to this, the first, is that people don't likely understand what KC registration means, and perhaps some even think it's a form of snobbery, my dog's a 'pureblood' etc. A KC registration simply shows the history of your dog, it's parentage. Sometimes, there will be a number of champions in there, some more than others, but that doesn't make the dog in front of you any better or worse, that part is down to the breeder to try and use their knowledge, or if they haven't got enough knowledge, with the help of a mentor or two, to produce good examples of a breed. The piece of paper just tells you the ancestry, it's not a guarantee you will get a show champion, or a field trials champion etc.

Also, the most important part, is that the KC registration should be signed by the breeder to allow you to transfer your dog over to your name, and surely, if you're going to be spending several hundred pounds on your pet, you want to have it transferred to your name. No-one in their right mind would fork out ÂŁ600 for a washing machine, and leave it in the name of the electrical store down the road, they'd want to own it. Speaking to breeders, it's amazing how many people who buy pups never transfer the ownership over to them, ok, so it's not necessarily infallible but it shows you care that your dog is in your name with the KC.

Lastly, if a pup isn't KC registered, there has to be a reason for it, and usually that reason isn't good. In the vast majority of cases, there is no excuse for breeders not to register a litter with the KC, although many bad breeders give every excuse under the sun, and, unfortunately, people are taken in, particularly once distracted with the sight of cute puppies.

So yes, it does matter that your new pup is KC registered, if you are buying a pedigree dog, KC registration isn't a guarantee, but it is one important part of the process and shouldn't be missed out. :)
 
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I think it's important as you can trace the history/temperment and health of the dogs family. However owning a crossbreed i can't really speak :p but if i'd gone for a pedigree i would expect it to be registered.
 
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The only exceptions are to breeds not able to register with the Kc like klee kais, English shepherds etc which I believe they use another type of register?

I find allot of people saying they didn't want a kc dog because it's just a pet, for me if I have the history of the dog it makes it easier to find out about parents history etc especially when in concerns health.

The ad part is though is when bad breeders charge up to ÂŁ200 more just so you can have the kc papers, which is ludicrous and makes no logical sense to me other than pure greed. I think sometimes it's the bad breeders that put people off and it becomes an assumption that all pedigree kc breeders cost more.
 
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I'd never trust any breeder who didn't KC register any pups they bred (if a registerable breed of course).

Showing, potential breeding, conformation, faults etc, are irrelevant, and unaffected by registration.

If a pup isn't registered, in my opinion and experience, the breeder usually has something to hide, and will often fob off a new owner with some cock and bull story about why they haven't done it. Usually along the lines of "we want them to go to pet homes only".
 
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I've just been on the KC register a litter site to register Freyja's pups. The name Freyja's breeder wanter for her pup wasn't allowed and I've had to get intouch with them for another name. According to the list of dogs I own there are 4 all bitches that I sold that are still registered in my name. 1 of these 4 died as a young puppy after she was poisoned by eating rhodedren flower buds.

I have always registered my pups but this time I am selling 2 boys as unregistered due to retained testicles. I told Freckles owner that if it did drop I would register him up until him being 12 months old if they contacted me. They told me they weren't bothered as he was a pet they had done the showing and breeding and just wanted him as a companion and to maybe do obedience. If he does obedience competively she will just register him on the activities register.

If they want to know about his pedigree they can find that out on the whippet data base whippet archives but they were happy to meet his parents and to see him and his brother and sisters. The rest of the litter are/will be registered and I would if the new owners requested it register these 2 boys.

I spoke to someone once who had a pup not a whippet who wasn't registered the owner told me the breeder wanted ÂŁ300 more if they had registered the pup. TBH it cost ÂŁ12 to register a pup so why do people charge so much more for exactly the same pup just because it has its papers. I told Freckles owner a price for him and it wouldn't have been any different if they asked me to register him.
 
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I'd never trust any breeder who didn't KC register any pups they bred (if a registerable breed of course).

Showing, potential breeding, conformation, faults etc, are irrelevant, and unaffected by registration.

If a pup isn't registered, in my opinion and experience, the breeder usually has something to hide, and will often fob off a new owner with some cock and bull story about why they haven't done it. Usually along the lines of "we want them to go to pet homes only".
Should I be worried then? I was told that the Chihuahua I'm buying hasn't been registered as she has a defect with her mouth and also because he wants her to go to a pet home. I've seen the parent's Pedigree and they are both registered but my pup won't be.
 
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The only exceptions are to breeds not able to register with the Kc like klee kais, English shepherds etc which I believe they use another type of register?

I find allot of people saying they didn't want a kc dog because it's just a pet, for me if I have the history of the dog it makes it easier to find out about parents history etc especially when in concerns health.

The ad part is though is when bad breeders charge up to ÂŁ200 more just so you can have the kc papers, which is ludicrous and makes no logical sense to me other than pure greed. I think sometimes it's the bad breeders that put people off and it becomes an assumption that all pedigree kc breeders cost more.
There are breeds that are bred to type that the KC don't register for various reasons. Anyone who is responsibly breeding a non-registerable breed, or even cross breeding, should know the lineage of their dogs and will keep records of this and other details.

As regards the bad breeders who charge extra, yes, unfortunately there are, and that's where a contract of sale comes in. If you aren't offered a contract of sale, you need to get some written form of proof of the terms and conditions, just as you would with any other purchase, just because it's a cute puppy it doesn't mean these same sort of rules don't apply, in fact for me, it means you should be so much more careful. The KC can only rule in favour of a puppy buyer if it is set out in black and white, otherwise they can't intervene or take any action.
 
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Should I be worried then? I was told that the Chihuahua I'm buying hasn't been registered as she has a defect with her mouth and also because he wants her to go to a pet home. I've seen the parent's Pedigree and they are both registered but my pup won't be.
A mouth defect doesn't affect registration. You can have the worst example of your breed in the world, and it still be KC registered.

I can't honestly see any good reason not to register an entire litter. The fee is minimal.
 
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Should I be worried then? I was told that the Chihuahua I'm buying hasn't been registered as she has a defect with her mouth and also because he wants her to go to a pet home. I've seen the parent's Pedigree and they are both registered but my pup won't be.
If she's pedigree then yes, I would want her papers, the breeder can ensure endorsements are in place if they don't want any progeny registering with the KC, and can explain this to you. It basically means that unless your dog fit certain criteria, they wouldn't lift breeding endorsements, which stops you registering (if you ever bred that is) any of her pups with the KC. Witholding KC papers, and endorsements don't stop anyone from breeding unfortunately, it will just stop KC registration being made possible, personally, I don't think there is any case for witholding papers when endorsements are there for breeders to use. Apols if that's not what you want to hear, but I would most definitely be asking questions.
 
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I'd never trust any breeder who didn't KC register any pups they bred (if a registerable breed of course).

Showing, potential breeding, conformation, faults etc, are irrelevant, and unaffected by registration.

If a pup isn't registered, in my opinion and experience, the breeder usually has something to hide, and will often fob off a new owner with some cock and bull story about why they haven't done it. Usually along the lines of "we want them to go to pet homes only".
I told the owner of my unregistered pup I sold yesterday he wasn't registered because he had a retained testicle but if it did drop before he was 12 months old I would be happy to send off for his papers. They told me they weren't intersted in papers and as for his testicles he wouldn't have any as soon as he was old enough to be castrated.
 
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I told the owner of my unregistered pup I sold yesterday he wasn't registered because he had a retained testicle but if it did drop before he was 12 months old I would be happy to send off for his papers. They told me they weren't intersted in papers and as for his testicles he wouldn't have any as soon as he was old enough to be castrated.
Can I ask why you didn't register him and put endorsements in place? Just interested as I would have thought it better to have a record of all dogs you breed with the KC, rather than miss any out for whatever reason?
 
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I told the owner of my unregistered pup I sold yesterday he wasn't registered because he had a retained testicle but if it did drop before he was 12 months old I would be happy to send off for his papers. They told me they weren't intersted in papers and as for his testicles he wouldn't have any as soon as he was old enough to be castrated.
I don't understand why you wouldnt register because of a fault?

No the dog can't be shown, but showing isn't everything.
 
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Then should I ask him to register her with some sort of block so that she can't be bred or shown?
It's entirely up to you, but there isn't really any good reason why she couldn't be KC registered and endorsements put in place. If the breeder is unwilling to KC register the pup, you could either offer to pay for the registration fee, which isn't a great deal, or ensure you have a bill of sale to transfer her into your name.

I can't think of a good reason not to register a pedigree pup, and endorse it, rather than allow a pup to remain unregistered; in fact I think there is more of a case to do so particularly if the endorsement relates to a health defect, such as an undershot/overshot jaw, retained testicle, surely records of this sort of problem within a gene pool are better known about, than disappear off the edge of the radar. It may be a one off, but what if it isn't?
 
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Having a fault does not mean the dog shouldnt be KC registered. Nor does having no papers mean its a pet only dog. Non registered dogs are bred from all the time. You can have KC papers with endorsements so if bred the pups will not be registered.
 
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My Dobby wasn't Kc registered unfortunately but I'm wanting to register him. Can I register him myself of did he have to be registered by his original owner (the lady who owned the mum and dad)?
Also, I've heard about companion registry...
could someone who knows about Kc registering explain companion registry?
I don't plan to show him, plus at some point I'd want to neuter him (DONT RANT PLEASE LOL!) he's just a family pet but I do want to register him with the kennel club.

Thankies!
 
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My Dobby wasn't Kc registered unfortunately but I'm wanting to register him. Can I register him myself of did he have to be registered by his original owner (the lady who owned the mum and dad)?
Also, I've heard about companion registry...
could someone who knows about Kc registering explain companion registry?
I don't plan to show him, plus at some point I'd want to neuter him (DONT RANT PLEASE LOL!) he's just a family pet but I do want to register him with the kennel club.

Thankies!
You can't register a dog you haven't bred, and to be honest, the majority of breeders don't own both parents, they usually own the bitch, and travel to find the right dog to use.

The companion registry is (I think) for dogs involved with KC activities/competitions, and your dog doesn't have to be a pedigree to be registered. I don't know much information about it as I've never needed to look, but it's all on the KC website.

Look into neutering before you book him in, a lot of people have it done when it isn't really necessary, so take your time to read up and research about it first ;)
 
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You can't register a dog you haven't bred, and to be honest, the majority of breeders don't own both parents, they usually own the bitch, and travel to find the right dog to use.

The companion registry is (I think) for dogs involved with KC activities/competitions, and your dog doesn't have to be a pedigree to be registered. I don't know much information about it as I've never needed to look, but it's all on the KC website.

Look into neutering before you book him in, a lot of people have it done when it isn't really necessary, so take your time to read up and research about it first ;)
Ahhhh so he has to be registered with Kc first... and then I could join the companion club? when i look on the application form it asks for a KC Reg number so I assume you need to register in another catagory 1st (so confusing) lol! I though I'd post on your thread as you always seem to know allot about these things :)
So... does it mean because the original owner didnt register him... I can't register him into the companion club one? :(
If so, tis a shame.... I really want him registered somewhere lol!
I've looked on the website and I just get even more confused as to what I actually need to do to get this little boy registered... hahaha OH MY GOD... I'm now officially sick of the word registered :p

:) thankyou for your reply.
 
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Not so much to me I like crosses so looking in to getting a pup kc isn't important to me

But I would prob pick a kc reg one over a non one if I went to the pure breed route
You can register you dog/pup with the KC Companion club even if it's a crossbreed. Which is great! :) Now even good old crosses can be part of something :D
 
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Ahhhh so he has to be registered with Kc first... and then I could join the companion club? when i look on the application form it asks for a KC Reg number so I assume you need to register in another catagory 1st (so confusing) lol! I though I'd post on your thread as you always seem to know allot about these things :)
So... does it mean because the original owner didnt register him... I can't register him into the companion club one? :(
If so, tis a shame.... I really want him registered somewhere lol!

:) thankyou for your reply.
No, you can register a non-pedigree or cross breed, there's more information about it here:

Activity Register - The Kennel Club

If you're unsure, then you can email the KC, they are very helpful :)

Just to clarify, the Activity Register isn't the same as the Breed Register, which holds all the information about KC registered pedigrees, hope that makes a little more sense for you.
 
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