Its interesting, any idea how they made their decision on the lists??

I wonder why golden retrievers are meant to be more intelligent than labrador retrievers, any idea guys??

I think re the dangerous list, any dog can fit into that category depending who has owned it!! I was surprised poodles came out above retrievers in the intelligence stakes, not that they aren't clever I just thought some other dogs were a bit more clever

 

...what do you think??

Without defining 'intelligence' and 'dangerous' it is without meaning.

 

Just to say - I didn't do this list !! before anyone jumps on me, lol just what I've found online and thought it'd be interesting to see peoples opinions

It seems to have been done by the dogs history/breed/obedience levels etc. Not quite sure though.

 

I disagree with the dangerous dog list.

The intelligence list I can only comment on my own breed (german shepherd). Sky is very quick to learn however my mastiff pup is almost as fast so I wouldn't place her in the least intelligent.

It all comes down to the individual dog :thumbup1:

 

Just to say - I didn't do this list !!

I know. I've seen the list before.

At a guess I'd say someone has confused 'intelligence' with 'trainability' which is a huge (and unsupportable) assumption.

The 'dangerous' part is just someone's fantasy without any substantive justification at all and serves to perpetuate false and damaging stereotypes.

 

Well I would disagree with basset hounds being the least intelligent - i've had a few friends who have had them, and they are highly intelligent. I would also add setters to the intelligent list. I'm sure everyone who owns one of those dogs on the least intelligent list would disagree and those whose dogs don't appear would too.

 

The intelligence list is trainability definately the "stupid dogs" are the ones bred to go "Sit sure I'll think about and maybe do it if there's something in it for me." The dangerous list I don't agree with.

 

well in my opinion its not the most intelligent its the top 10 obedient (trainable)

 

and if the basenji is such a "stupid" breed of dog how have they bin successfully trained as bomb detection dogs

 

Dangerous is subjective. What's more dangerous, a daschund that's very aggressive and will nip your ankles or a GSD that's loving but if it wanted could kill a human?

 

I thought Basenji's were really smart dogs just too independant to actually do whatever stupid thing the human had come up with this time.

 

There's also the complication that these lists aren't compiled in the UK. I guess the 'cleverest' and 'least-trainable' lists apply across breeds everywhere, but you can't take the 'dangerous' ones seriously, as some breeds are rare in this country. Also, in different countries, breeds are bred to be more - or less - aggressive than in others.

Temperament varies widely between countries and even certain families or strains of breeding (which may or may not be more popular in one country than another).

The guy who originally complied the 'smartest' list (Dr Stanley Coren) admitted in his other books that the Dobermann in Europe was bred to have more 'fire' in its temperament than those bred in the USA. How true this is, I don't know, but as different countries have different populations of various breeds, not to mention different laws about 'dangerous' dogs, these lists can't really be taken seriously to be a definitive world guide. As far as I know, there has never been a Top 10 of Most Dangerous Breeds done in the UK.... and if it was, I think our statistics would be quite different.

Edited to add: I recently saw a list of the most 'dangerous' breeds where it put the Australian Cattle Dog at about no.4. Now.... with very few of those being registered in the UK each year (rare breed here!), that either means they are incredibly savage (not) or the survey was done in a country where they are a lot more popular.

Best to take all these Lists with a pinch of salt & common sense

 

I think the idea of the lists is that they're about the average dog rather than a cumulative. So the amount of dogs in a country shouldn't affect the outcome (except of course there should be no pitbulls in the list at all in a UK list since they're illegal here.

 

I thought Basenji's were really smart dogs just too independant to actually do whatever stupid thing the human had come up with this time.

basenji's are very samert dogs but they independant....

 

I think the idea of the lists is that they're about the average dog rather than a cumulative. So the amount of dogs in a country shouldn't affect the outcome (except of course there should be no pitbulls in the list at all in a UK list since they're illegal here.

As I said before - very very few Australian Cattle dogs either.... NONE of these lists have been complied for UK dogs. So we can't rely on the population stats from other countries, can we? :thumbdown:

 

I think the idea of the lists is that they're about the average dog rather than a cumulative. So the amount of dogs in a country shouldn't affect the outcome (except of course there should be no pitbulls in the list at all in a UK list since they're illegal here.

I think M-M is assuming that the placing might be influenced by the numbers of attacks attributed to each breed - in which case the population must also be known to determine the 'average' risk.

Since our data on the first is shaky and, on the second, non-existent if the list is compiled on such criteria it becomes even more ludicrous and (edit to acknowledge M-M point) even if the data were known for one location it could not reliably be used to predict trends in another location as breed characteristics vary according to differing breeding selection choices.

 

Since our data on the first is shaky and, on the second, non-existent if the list is compiled on such criteria it becomes even more ludicrous.

:thumbup1: Ta, John!

 

I saw this list in a book I got from the library. How to make your dog a genius or something like that. I think they work out intellience on how quick they are to do certain tasks. It has these tasks in the book so you can test your dogs IQ. They were things like, put a towel over your dogs head. How quick does it get the towel off or does it leave it there?

 

I saw this list in a book I got from the library. How to make your dog a genius or something like that. I think they work out intellience on how quick they are to do certain tasks. It has these tasks in the book so you can test your dogs IQ. They were things like, put a towel over your dogs head. How quick does it get the towel off or does it leave it there?

Does it mention "if you put the hat from a christmas cracker on your dog's neck as a collar how long does it stay there?'

Because she wore it for hours lol

 

I dont agree on boxers in the top 10 most dangerous i looked on sites to find a dog/s to keep with kids and boxers came up for me each time ???
And on the stupid list is this not a list of dogs harder to train ? ive not met dogs that are stupid just people who dont know how to care for them .
We had a british bulldog and he was by no means stupid at all just very stuborn .

 

Malamutes on the dangerous list?????? well, if being licked to death is dangerous...
They used to use mals to babysit their kids when they were away hunting for goodness sake

 

Does it mention "if you put the hat from a christmas cracker on your dog's neck as a collar how long does it stay there?'

Because she wore it for hours lol

HaHa. It might as well have said that, it doesn't mean a dog is intelligent or not, I think it just shows what a dog will do for its human Great pic.

 

What about the Airedale ??and the JRT ( not a pedigree but hey !!! ) I may be bias but My Airedale is clever and easy to train the JRT'S well just look at a few movies that have a dog in it ???? lots of clever JRT'S there.

No honestly I do agree that some breeds are more inteligent than others some more stupid or shall we say layed back and of course some dogs are quicker to show their teeth but I dont totaly agree with the list.

 

A Dalmatian? Dangerous? Naaaaa they're F***in lethal! Darwin just LOVES the school run, he ate a toddler this morning!! Not to mention his snack of yorkie's and cocker's in the park! And he's now snoring on the couch after sucessfully chewing half my leg off!! How the hell am I meant to get another beer??

 

A Dalmatian? Dangerous? Naaaaa they're F***in lethal! Darwin just LOVES the school run, he ate a toddler this morning!! Not to mention his snack of yorkie's and cocker's in the park! And he's now snoring on the couch after sucessfully chewing half my leg off!! How the hell am I meant to get another beer??

Both your dogs look like they are really wild in that pic not !!!!! and i am afraid they may be to stupid to train to get you a beer so you are well and truely F****D

They are lovley