I didn't see the episode, what was supposed to be the point of it?

I know in farming circles some claim the best way to stop a dog chasing sheep is to put it in a pen with a ewe and her lamb, and let the ewe give it a beating, but never been convinced it would work with n a "normal" situation where the sheep would run and elicit a chase response. As for holding a pig still to be attacked, did he give any sort of explanation of what he was hoping to achieve? Sounds completely wrong from both a dog and pig owner's point of view.

 

As for holding a pig still to be attacked, did he give any sort of explanation of what he was hoping to achieve? Sounds completely wrong from both a dog and pig owner's point of view.

I think they were actually trying to make the pig squeal since up until that point the dog was actively avoiding them if I remember correctly. Which of course doesn't make for good entertainment. It was only when the pig squealed that he switched to chasing and attacking them.

 

I just watched the youtube vid and wish I hadn't. Poor pigs.
I too fail to understand his training method.
I read somewhere that CM was perhaps changing his tune and trying more positive approaches to training if this is his latest stuff I can't see it.

 

Mr. Millan and those who think like him seem to think the dog has to exhibit the unwanted behavior in order to be corrected for it, otherwise they won't learn. So the idea is, in order for the dog to learn not to attack pigs, he has to be in the process of attacking pigs and then be corrected.

This is of course wholly incorrect an only serves to advertise the trainer's lack of skill in training. I don't have to punish my dog for not sitting in order to train a sit, and I don't have to punish my dog for chasing in order to teach a recall and impulse control.

Or as better explained in these two articles:
http://mrsbehaviour.com/2016/01/22/i-dont-need-to-see-misbehaviour/
http://denisefenzi.com/2016/02/29/is-avoiding-correctionwithholding-half-of-the-information/

And yes, I too have heard the "put them in a pen with a ram" to "train" the dog not to bother sheep however that doesn't take in to account that the dog will not necessarily generalize the one ram not running to a whole flock on the move, or the fact that some dogs learn to hate sheep even more and become even more aggressive to sheep.

 

I watched a clip that was posted to fb...poor dog, poor pigs, and poor owner
Yet another clear example of how little he knows about dog behaviour!

 

Yet another clear example of how little he knows about dog behaviour!

And another one here which appeared on my ipad newsfeed a week or so ago ... no one gets hurt but all I could think of when I watched it is, why. The dog is at a complete loss as to why he is tied to a LLama, as am I. And just look at those signals.

. As his issue was with pet pigs, rather than running amok in the countryside, the obvious thing would have been to introduce him carefully to a pet pig ( a pedigree Kune Kune would be ideal) which is used to dogs and create positive rewards for both ( pigs will sit for a treat).

Absolutely. And I would love to see the pig sit too

But I suppose that doesn't look as macho.

J

 

I noticed that too Sarah. It's like with sheep, if they didn't move Isla totally ignores them, but as soon as they move her attention is drawn to them.
All CM appeared to be doing was frightening the dog so in its mind it will start associating pigs with unpleasant things and so would be more inclined to attack them to make them go away.

 

This is a video of the "training" that I don't mind linking:

 

I hate that man with a passion his training methods to me are barbaric

 

I watched the clip on youtube earlier and wished I hadn't, Ceaser Millan is just an awful idiotic egotistical ****, that clip made me so so sad, but also maybe it was explained in the actual programme but how did he get access to kill 2 pigs, as I got the gist that she had a pet pig that her dog killed, but surely if your dog kills a pig then you do your upmost to then avoid other pigs, I mean just how common are pigs in america? as I don't think I have ever stumbled upon a pig on a dog walk, but then I suppose farmers are very keen to stop anybody walking near pigs around here in the uk as all the fields and farms with pigs have bio security warnings and because of foot and mouth precautions people tend not to walk them round the streets like dogs as you need licenses to move them.

I do very much like the letter and hope that something comes of it.

 

That clip is horrific and deeply disturbing. Hopefully this will be the incident that spurs on an investigation, or at least CM falling out of favour with the channels that keep giving him airtime.

 

Hopefully this will be the incident that spurs on an investigation, or at least CM falling out of favour with the channels that keep giving him airtime.

I hope so too, but I'm not holding my breath

A long time ago on one of his Dog Whisperer shows, he put two pit bulls together who he knew had had issues with each other in the past (bad issues), neither dog was muzzled and both left completely loose. The dogs did indeed fight and after they broke it up, the camera did a gratuitous zoom in to one of the dog's bloody injuries.
In any other context putting two dogs together who you know are going to fight for public entertainment basically amounts to dog fighting which is a felony in all 50 states. Nothing came of that incident.

Nothing came of the Holly incident either (remember the poor resource guarding lab?). So I really don't know what it will take for him to fall out of favor

 

Oh dear gods, not content with abusing dogs in the name of profit and entertainment this moron is now abusing other species too.

I assume animal fighting and baiting is illegal in this part of the world? Surely that's what this is. Putting a pig-aggressive dog in with pigs, and inciting an attack.

Cruelty and stupidity at their finest. Why oh why do some folks still support this guy???

 

The man is an @r$£

 

I think that is an insult to @r$£$ !!!!

 

One thing can be said about him...he has an awesome PR team that works tirelessly to make sure none of this $hit "sticks"
I seriously do not understand how the man is still as popular as he is after the pitt and Holly incidents, I really don't.

@ouesi that pit video is still etched in my memory after watching it...those poor dogs were set up in the name of entertainment

 

Good grief! Pigs used were looking like some sort of so called "micropigs", which are popular as pets but not an actual breed. Some stay small, others grow to their full potential from larger breed parents and grandparents. Does explain to an extent how the dog was able to come into close contact, farm pigs are normally well fenced to prevent escape and destruction of neighbouring crops/gardens. As his issue was with pet pigs, rather than running amok in the countryside, the obvious thing would have been to introduce him carefully to a pet pig ( a pedigree Kune Kune would be ideal) which is used to dogs and create positive rewards for both ( pigs will sit for a treat).

 

He has been doing the same thing to cats for years. People call him in because their dog keeps chasing the cat and he has held the poor cat in the dog's face then shocked the dog when he growled or snapped at it. The result was a dog who despised that cat because as far as he is concerned the puss caused his pain. I never understand how anyone can let their pets anywhere near that idiot and pay him a fortune for it. I loathe the man.

 

I've never had much of a problem with CM and used a few of his methods with Dillon, but these poor pigs, Cease this is a step to far.

 

See, this is where I genuinely want to know - with all the other gaffes and outright cruelty this man has displayed, what here finally made you say "this is a step too far"?
I really do want to know, because if people aren't horrified by the husky's tongue turning blue, the shock collar to cat train the black GSD, the Holly fiasco, the fighting pit bulls with gratuitous shot of the torn up lip, the terrified body language displayed by dogs on every single episode, the fact that his own dog doesn't even know basic cues like sit...
If none of that bothered you and you still felt the need to use his methods, what here finally did it for you?

'Cause if we could figure that out, we could figure out how to finally expose him to his followers and get him off the air at last....

 

I only said the pig was a step to far nothing else. As I said some of his methods have worked with Dillon without hurting him at all.

 

Can you say what about the pig was a step too far?
And am I understanding correctly that you're okay with how the dog was treated and the "training" methods used?

I don't mean to single you out, I'm just very curious as to what people are thinking when they watch CM working.

 

Mexican food?
JeeZues!
Cesar Millan tastes disgusting

 

Mexican food?
JeeZues!
Cesar Millan tastes disgusting

Now that is funny

 

After reading that and hearing all the dreadful instances, I'm so glad I stopped watching him a long time ago

 

If this man were a vet he'd be declawing cats, without pain meds. He hates animals, only uses them to make himself feel powerful. It's shameful that people enjoy watching this crap. I can't understand what makes them want to. Is it a need to feel superior, a need to believe once and for all that humans are "better" than animals that makes this show so popular?

Do these pet owners have to sign something stating they will not interfere once the abuse starts? I can't imagine standing there watching this disgusting bully demoralize my pet, without stepping in. I just cannot understand why he isn't shut down, or why any TV station supposedly in favor of animals would air him.

Sure I can, it's all about the almighty dollar in the end isn't it. And the world is so sick they love watching animals be abused world wide.

Disgusting, sickening.

 

I watched the video the other day.

My question is; why can't the owner just keep him on a lead around pigs? If she owns them, how is it not possible for her to just secure them from the dog.

Why do people feel they HAVE to have their dogs offlead and fine with everything?

 

 

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You keep on yelling at me, and when you get my sex right I might think about it!

 

Timber always leaves a mouthful too - maybe three or four pieces of kibble. I would like to think it was his way of telling us he was getting just the right amount - if he finished we might think he was still hungry. But I'm not sure he's that smart really!

 

Saw the clip-just re-inforced my belief that he is clueless! He has NO qualifications and boy does it show. ! He doesnt read the dogs body language and as a result he has been bitten . The dogs are "wound up" backstage before his SHOW begins-because thats what it is - a show-he likes be to an entertainer with his tan and his pearly white teeth. People love him because he performs miracles-naughty dog-big problems -enter C M -takes dog away -dog comes back-miraculously CURED. Its a quick fix -- which makes owners who cant be bothered to be patient and use positive methods ,think he is Gods gift to dog training. My heart goes out to the many dogs who have been abused -he calls it trained-by him and his methods.I find it so sad that many people will follow him, even though at the beginning of his SHOW we are told "not to try this at home "

 

The thing I find most frustrating about him/his show is that "average joe pet owner" doesn't know any better.

I'm sick of having the same arguments with family over how we train Phoebe. We need to remind her who's "pack leader" when she's being boisterous and we need to just leave her on her own to deal with her SA herself because she'll soon get used to it. We need to keep removing her food bowl from her when she's eating because she resource guards from the cat. The list goes on..

They know all this because the wonderful CM says so!

They assume that because he's famous for what he does, then he must be good at it. Which of course, we all know he's not.. BUT Mrs Smith down the road doesn't. She's seen the "evidence" of CM's miracle work on TV so decides to give it a go herself. She pretends to eat out of her dogs bowl, taking it's food away to show it who's "pack leader" and pretty soon her dog is resource guarding. Mrs Smith sees CM towering over the dog, scaring it into submission and ignoring its warnings. Mrs Smith does the same and takes a bite to the hand. Mrs Smith doesn't know she was the cause of the bite and now worries her dog is vicious and unpredictable. Off she trots down to the local rescue to hand over her dog. Dog with RG issues and a bite history is unlikely to find a home and is PTS.

If we didn't go to training classes to learn the RIGHT way to train Phoebe, I'd likely have listened to family and their insistence on how we should be training her. I could very well be the one in the same scenario I've just described simply because I didn't know any better.

That scares the pants off me

 

Another response in Psychology Today:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/dogs-best-friend/201603/cesar-millan-crosses-the-line-again