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Discussion in 'Cat Chat' started by SmittenKitten, Sep 13, 2013.


  1. SmittenKitten

    SmittenKitten PetForums Member

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    Some of you may remember my previous posts about Oscar being unwell. The vet thinks he has one of the two strains of cat flu.

    He has had eye cream and a course of antibiotics and whilst these helped and his condition improved, he is still unwell. I took him back to the vets this morning and the vet has now prescribed the 'ideal treatment'.

    This involves the use of human eye drops and a strong antibiotic for a month. I had to sign a disclaimer. The antibiotic can cause burning of the gullet so I have to give it with food. If Oscar does get gullet burn then the vet explained that this is very serious. He didn't say as much but I expect that that will necessitate being PTS :(

    Whilst I know he needs treatment, I am so worried and upset. I am also angry that I have an ill cat who will probably require lifelong treatment. Either his breeder sold me a cat will cat flu or Poppy's breeder sold me a cat that is a cat flu carrier. Poppy has not become ill at all which leads me to believe that it is she who is the carrier although the vet has said either is a possibility. I feel like calling Poppy's breeder and giving him a pice of my mind. He knew full well I had another kitten at home and specifically said that the cat shelter he fosters for 'never give him kittens to foster that would make his pedigrees unwell'. I was naive of course and it is also my fault for believing him. But he told other lies so I can't trust him. And now I know better that this was an impossible guarantee to make when he takes in feral cats and strays.

    Maybe I just need someone to blame. I blame myself too absolutely. I feel like I need to do something about these BYBs. I love Oscar dearly and I am scared that we may lose him :(
     
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    Poor Oscar! Really hope things get better for you both soon x
     
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    L-lysine is an amino acid supplement that is safe and effective against feline herpes. I'd be looking for a new vet, if your vet hasn't recommended this treatment.

    As you probably know there is no cure, but feline herpes (cat flu) is a VIRUS, and while secondary bacterial infection is not uncommon, and the antibiotics will take care of that, antibiotics will do nothing to control the virus.

    L-lysine will. I recommend you use the pure powder rather than one of the commercial 'made for cats' products. 500 mg a day, usually given 250 mg in the morning and 250 mg in the evening, is the therapeutic dose. You simply put the powder in the kitten's food.


    Do get a second opinion, before doing anything drastic.

    And by all means contact the 'breeder' who sold you this sick kitten. I wonder how many other people are going through the same struggle and heart break.
     
  4. SmittenKitten

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    Thank you Lorilu. I didn't know about this. He did say that it may be possible for Oscar to get rid of the virus and vaccinations should help but never mentioned the l-lycine. I will buy some today. Should I take him to another vet or maybe call for advice?

    The problem is with the breeders, I can't be sure how he contracted it. Either he got it whilst in the care of his breeder or I introduced it by bringing home a kitten from another breeder who may be a carrier. Should I play merry hell with both? I am sure they will just blame each other :(
     
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    Hi there

    Try not to worry. I suspect your vet thinks he has either herpes or chamydia. This is quite common in cats. I bought 2 perfectly healthy appearing kittens several years ago and within a couple of days they had bad eyes. They had eye ointment and the same tablets (ronaxan?) The virus then went around my other cats as well. They had chlamydia as they were tested, which is curable. We disguised the tablets in web box sticks and they were easy to dose then. We also gave them another piece of web box without the tablet to make sure it had gone down. It did take several courses of ABs to clear though.

    If it is herpes then this is never cured. Prior to the above kittens I had a cat with herpes. He only ever had two flare ups in the time I had him (7 years). Lysine helps combat this virus but not chamydia. None of the other cats we had at the time developed it as they were all tested when we got the above kittens. He only had treatment when he had the two flare ups (which were the worst the eye specialist had ever seen). So your boy may not need life long treatment

    Has your vet taken swabs?

    I'm sure Oscar will be fine!
     
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    I had a kitten in rescue who had cat flu, treated with 14 days synulox antibiotics, lysine aid gel, and exocin eye drops.

    Kitten after 2 weeks made a full recovery, was then vaccinated and has now gone to a new home where she is the only cat.
     
  7. SmittenKitten

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    Thanks for the reassurance catcoonz.

    Initially they did say it could either be cat flu or chlamydia but as he's still ill after a course of antibiotics, I am starting to think it is probably flu :(

    I have 2 other kittens, one initially unvaccinated the other was but neither have caught this illness. This again makes me think it is probably cat flu and that the reason poppy hasn't become ill is because she is a carrier and the one who passed it on. I can't be sure though.

    He started with his eyes about 4 weeks ago and then the other symptoms three weeks ago and he's still ill. I just want my boy better but this new treatment sounds scary with the potential for gullet burn.

    Does anyone know the dosage of l-lycine I should give and the best place to get it? There's too many options online.
     
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    Just checked and ronaxon is the antibiotic they have prescribed.
     
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    Oops, thought catcoonz posted twice. Thank you also to cazzer.
     
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    Sorry to read this, what a worry. Fingers crossed things start to look a bit better soon.
     
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    Like I said my cats had chlamydia and it took several courses of Ronaxan to clear it up and this is quite common.
     
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    Thank you cazzer. I can't tell you how much I'm hoping and praying it is chlamydia. He is the most lovely cuddly boy, I don't even want to think about what could happen if he gets gullet burn. I am scared to give it to him but I know he needs to get better.

    L-lycine is something I haven't tried so will get some ASAP. I am so confused about the others not getting ill but I'm obviously pleased too.
    I asked the vet if it was possible to test for what it is but they didn't see the value in doing this because the organisms are so fragile.
     
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    There are 2 antibiotics i have used in the past both being effective, first synulox, second antirobe.

    With the lysine gel i purchased from my vet, its a pink gel and you do one pump twice a day either in food (which is how i use it) or directly into mouth (that was impossible with this rescue to do).

    Not sure if its online but its called nutriscience lysine aid.

    Not sure of the antibiotic your vet has given as ive never used it, others may have experience of this treatment.

    A vitamin paste or nutridrops may also help if your kitten isnt eating much.

    See Cazzer has used Ronaxan, so you will get advise from her on this treatment.
     
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    Ah, thanks catcoonz. I shall look for this. No problem with his food intake, he is a greedy boy who loves his food :D Should make getting anti-bs in quite easy so I'm thankful for small mercies. Poppy won't touch 'contaminated' food so it's impossible to dose her with anything.
     
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    catcoonz PetForums VIP

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    I know its a worry when they are poorly, it will get better it just takes time for them to fight through it.
    Good news feeding is still ok, i had to syringe feed this kitten.
     
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    It's amazing really, apart from his watery/gunky eyes, you'd never know he was ill. He's still really playful so I'm thankful that he isn't worse.

    The only l-lycine I can find are 500mg tablets online. I think holland and Barrets sell it too. The pink gel is on amazon but got low ratings due to the smell aparently? Buyer said it put her cats off eating their food.
     
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    If it herpes and you want to use a paste/gel rather than powder there is also enisyl-f ( at least I think that is how it is spelt).
     
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    I havent had any problems with the pink lysine gel, i mix it with carney kitten and the bowls are spotless.

    Not sure how much it is on Amazon, from the vet its £18.

    I think its a great product. :)
     
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    Now L-Lysine 100% Pure Powder 1 lbs
    I have no personal experience of this situation, sorry. This brand is normally a pretty good one and the product looks like it is pure, no added ingredients.

    As for 'gullet burn' I believe that this is a risk with lots of medications and the reason that you should never ever 'dry pill ' a cat....meds should always be fed in a pill pocket, or webbox treat, or followed immediately with food (unless a particular med specifies otherwise)
    If you have ever got a pill stuck in your own throat you will remember how awful it feels, and many medications can have an erosive effect on this area.
    His greediness is a blessing in that you can easily protect against this issue.
     
  20. SmittenKitten

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    Thanks for the suggestions, I think I will give the pink gel a go first.

    More bad new though, Poppy now has a slightly gunky eye. She's had her first vaccination already, due for her second next week. She's been around Oscar for a month and this is the first time she has shown any symptoms. I have her booked in to be spayed next Monday.

    Does this mean it could be chlamydia? Or could it still be cat flu and she's been incubating it until now?

    I can't believe this is happening :(
     
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