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wife has had enough... what to do???

Discussion in 'Dog Chat' started by harmeetjohal, Mar 25, 2011.


  1. harmeetjohal

    harmeetjohal PetForums Senior

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    Help needed please
    I have a 8 month old working type neo mastiff cross AM bulldog (who still has his bits), we walk him 2 times a day once for 30mins or (20 mins on the bike) and then for 20mins later in the day....
    He has been really good, but the last few weeks, he has started becoming destructive, chewing up his own bed, as well as out other dogs, also has pulled up the carpets 
    He is becoming very guarding and also starting to hump our other dog...
    What can we do?

    help please

    the wife is really had it up to here... and is often brought to tears dealing with him and his stubborn behaviour, he only wants to listen if she shouts...

    would getting him snippeed fix any of it? or what else can we do?
     
  2. Phoenix&Charlie'sMum

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    I doubt it willl help with the destruction, how long are you leaving him for? Can you get someone in to walk him during the time he is left?
     
  3. Pampered pets

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    I know how you feel,i recently took on a Dalmation who seems to be living in La La land, he won't respond to ANY verbal comands in the house, he won't come when called he is lke a one dog tornado, he sweeps everything off the units, he rips up things like toilet rolls and carrier bags, he mounts the other dogs and causes fights.

    I to have been at my witts end, i thought my border collie was hard work but this is a totally different thing all together, bascally he is ignorant, the only thing he responds to is a water spray.

    I have basically decided to give up on some days but i contacted Dalmation rescue who gave advice and support, perhaps you could contact a specific breed rescue or a behaviourist?

    I'd say get him neutered as it must be frustrating having all those hormones surgingand not being able to use them,it does calm them down but it won't correct bad behaviour, as for mounting your other dog this may continue after castration as it's a form of dominance, whenever you have more than one dog there has to be a pecking order and it sounds like he want's to be dominat dog.

    How much off the lead exercise does he have? if he is an active dog 20 mins on the lead won't have much of an impact, 20 mins off lead running is like 2 hrs on the lead, i found my dalmation's behaviour improves significantly when he has off the lead evercise as opposed to on lead walking.

    Good luck and i'd say opt for castrationa and off lead work.
     
  4. PoisonGirl

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    He is too young to run with the bike!
    Giant breeds need to fully mature 18months minimum before doing that kind of exercise.

    As said, how long is he left, can you get a dog walker?
    I would get him to a training class or get a trainer in who is experienced with large breeds.
     
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    I am sorry I did have to smile at your post. He sounds like a very typical Dally! They like to only listen when the feel like it sometimes and Food packets rattle!

    I do hope you can calm him down a little.

    Did the Dally rescue tell you that dally's dont settle down until the age of 2??

    If i am repeating anything sorry x

    As for the OP I dont know anything about Your breed but it may help getting his neautred.

    Good luck all x
     
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    I would agree that you shouldnt over do the exercise at his age. Sounds like he is becoming a teenager though!!
    Maybe give him more things to chew (in case its a teething issue), do more training (which should tire him out and reinforce his proper relationship with you) and maybe some socialisation (going new places and seeing new things is also tiring for a dog).
    good luck, esp to your missus!!;)
     
  7. Twiggy

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    What you describe is pretty much normal in a pup of that age. Its the sort of stroppy teenage stage (think Harry Enfield's 'Kevin'), plus the worse time for being destructive as their adult teeth settle into the jaw.

    I would suggest you buy some stuffed bones (the one's with meat or cheese stuffed into the midde) or fill some Kongs with something similar. They need to gnaw on something.

    I've had collie pups chew the skirting board that replaced the skirting board they'd already chewed and one of them started on the dining room carpet which eventually ended up about a 12 ft long threadbare strip into the adjacent lounge.....LOL

    Hope this helps.
     
  8. XxZoexX

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    I thought teenager too, Jack seems to have started chewing/destructive behavior around the same age.. Luckily not furniture though he had a go at my skirting once (fab recomendation of rubbing vick on it on here!) but i left a hairbrush on the table nipped to the shop and it was all over the floor in bits when i returned seems to be anything he knows he shouldnt have lol :eek:
    Ive stepped up training to stimulate him and its definatly helping.. Oh and reinforced leave and swap commands for the times i catch him thieving.
     
  9. XxZoexX

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    :lol: :lol:
    My Jack is so a Kevin and Perry at the moment when hes bored :lol:
     
  10. Pampered pets

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    Yes they did say everything i descibed was typical behaviour and that he is entering the teenage phase and will probably get worse before he gets better, i can't wait :rolleyes: All my other dogs listen and respond but he is so tick skinned he could be a rino! Funny thing is though he is a diffeent dog outside, only just started letting im off the lead in a failry secure area and he listens to me there, it's just when we get home.

    (sorry for hyjacking the thread :) )
     
  11. Twiggy

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    My Jack is so a Kevin and Perry at the moment when hes bored

    Yes they can be little monkeys at that age. Thank goodness they turn into beautiful well behaved dogs (well most of the time).
     
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  15. candysmum

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    oh bless him, Yeah think skinned, tone deaf, and dopey when they feel like. But the joy out of them because of the being a dope on a rope and the playing and everythign else is amazing. He will hook you on his breed, like most breeds do!

    (yes sorry for hyjacking!)
     
  16. Mags n beardies

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    Hi
    I know you say he listens to NOTHING in the house and just wants to be a pain but can I be a pain too and suggest that you try doing some simple training with him and make into a game.
    Command - if he complies - and not before - gets a reward anda big fiss
    then (think tellytubbies AGAINAGAIN) do it again
    he should get more prompt and responsive - so long as the reward is present. (why work for no gain)
    the reward can be a tiny food treat or a toy that you keep for special and he ponly gets in training times. whatever gets him most excited and motivated.
    the command can be anything - Sit, Stand, lie down, spin round, bow, lotslotslots of things.
    but if you make him THINK about 'how do I get that treat' this will make him more biddable across the board, and also TIRE him out much quicker than any amoutn of exercise
    If you've not done much training, see if you can contact a trainer or local group
    never to early or late to start
    you will need patience - but he is goung to be a BIG and POWERFUL dog and if you don't get him to mind his manners when he's young it will not be any easier and may be MUCH harder once he's older and has developed a load of bad habits
    I wish you all the best with him - he can be a lovely man, but does need help to get over the Kevin months
     
  17. Sled dog hotel

    Sled dog hotel PetForums VIP

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    It sounds like he has hit the adolescent stage, They do really start to push their boundaries and see what they can get away with, Hormones also kick in
    They can start to get territorial, and some can start to growl
    and get pushy with other dogs, especially if another entire males. Young pups do bark chase bite and mount in play in the litter, but if he has never done it before, and the mounting has just started, along with the territorial guarding then I would think its likely to be hormonal more than anything.

    Sex based behaviour can be helped with neutering. However he is till young and growing, and a large breed. There are things against neutering large breeds earlier, rather than later. There has been studies, one was on golden retrievers if I remember rightly, They neutered a section at a young age and the others a lot older. They found the early neutered grew much taller. the reason being that with sexual maturity, the sex hormones shut of the growth hormones, early neutered dogs who had the testosterone removed
    early, didnt have the growth hormones shut off when it would have occured naturally so therefore grew larger, its believed this puts them at higher risk of joint problems and ligament problems. Some behaviourists also believe that too early neutering can lock the dog in a puppy mentality for longer.

    Neutering should help if his behaviour is in relation to the rise in sex hormones
    but obviously you need to discuss it with your vet and way up the pros and cons of neutering him now or maybe waiting until a bit later. Given that things are very difficult at the moment the way he is, only can decide whether to do it or not.

    You also at this time really need to up his training, either taking him to classes
    or maybe even consider getting in a behaviourist/trainer for one to ones, to assess the situation and give you a management and training stratergy. It may also give your wife more confidence in handling him. Make sure if you do you get in an accredited behaviourist CAPBT COAPE Association of pet behaviourists and trainers are good CAPBT - COAPE Association of Pet Behaviourists and Trainers the link should help you track down one near to you. It certainly wouldnt hurt to track down one and have a chat about him. He is going to be an even bigger more powerful dog than he is now, so you really do need to get things in place asap.

    As regards to the chewing and destruction, it maybe an idea to make sure he has plenty of things to chew on like bones, chews etc. Kongs are good, solid hard hollow rubber that you pack with wet food and can freeze to make last longer. One thing I would say though if he is starting to guard, make sure anything of this type you give him, he is separated from your other dog and left to eat it alone, as it could cause squabbles and problems. Do not leave any food toys chews or bones lying about at all in fact, as it could cause them to compete and fight. It may stop the destruction but the last thing you want is to cause other problems. If he is fine with food and chews with humans, then worth a try to occupy him with it, but if he is showing resource guarding with humans then it may not be wise at this stage.

    If he is guarding things with your wife and you, then I think all the more reason to get a behaviourist in and nip it in the bud. As regards to the running with the bike, it may be too much for his joint at the moment. For large breeds the rule of thumb is about 5mins per month of life, so 8 mths would be 40 mins at a time lead walking 2 to 3 times a day.
     
  18. harmeetjohal

    harmeetjohal PetForums Senior

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    thank you all for your replies....
    when i said running while im on my bike, this is done off lead in a forest, so nothing too fast, and he normally sniffs around and then trys to catch up.... :)
     
  19. NOT as normal read the other posts! but sounds like he is entering the micheal stage!
    Untill this stage passes you could always trade in the wife!:D:D:D think of the fun you could have!
     
  20. Jo P

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    Hiya - I would get a crate to put him in if you are leaving him for short spells - this would stop him from destroying your home.
    Neutering will have no effect whatsoever on his behaviour IMHO - and as a large breed I would deffo not recommend it til he is mature as you could be left with a dog that exhibits this kind of pupish behaviour for his entire life.
    Do you take him to any training classes?? You need to get on top of him and do it quickly - you cant have a dog ruling the roost and frightening your wife - everyone needs to be singing from the same song sheet as regards his training - even your children (if you have any - sorry not been around for a while so dont know you :))
    Google NILIF and start putting the principles into use until you can get a good trainer - dont get a behaviourist in and waste your money - his behaviour is NORMAL :001_smile:
     
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