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Why are people so anti moggie breeding?

Discussion in 'Cat Breeding' started by cows573, Apr 21, 2017.


  1. cows573

    cows573 PetForums Senior

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    Having looking through posts on this forum... I was wondering why people are so against anyone breeding, what I would call, normal cats?

    We have an aging population of cats in our household, had to get one put down 2 months ago, searched for another cat....

    We have re-homed many cats in the past, unloved and unwanted cats.... The only cats available anywhere near us (within 100 miles) for re-homing either were not suitable for houses with children or were unsuitable for houses with other cats.

    We ended up travelling for over 3 hours to buy a kitten. We would have preferred re-homing a cat, but with none available....

    From my other posts, you may realise we have also adopted a pregnant female (would never see a cat put on the street)...

    My family started neutering our female cats long before it was considered normal (over 30 years ago), for the health of the mother.... My issue is this, while I 100% agree with neutering... if they is a shortage of available, suitable cats in an area, why should 'moggie' breeding be unacceptable if it is done in a responsible manner?

    Not everyone wants a pedigree cat, or the price tag attached...
     
  2. Serenity123

    Serenity123 PetForums Member

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    Unfortunately most moggie breeders are not responsible (there is some good people out there though) most byb will not vaccinate, neuter or even vet check the kittens or mum, selling them at a very early age (kittens should not leave mum until at least 13 weeks old) even if mum stops feeding them she is still teaching them life lessons such an socialisation etc, many byb end up selling to make a profit and responsible breeding does not make a profit, there is a lot of kittens in rescue, a responsible breeder will take back any cat if it unfortunately has to be rehomed or even help rehome it, a byb washes his/her hands the minute the kittens goes out the door x
     
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  3. SpringDance

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    Are there really no rescues near you (ours are full of kittens at the moment). I think it's because there are too many moggies for the homes available, so really no more are needed. Pedigree cats tend to have waiting lists and are homed easily (although there are still pedigree rescues, so it's not always perfect).
     
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    I think you've pretty much answered your own question.

    'Unwanted & unloved'- there are a hell of a lot of moggies, from newborn kittens to pregnant mums to oldies, in every colour, in this category.

    Someone, somewhere, bred every one of them, there are enough people breeding accidental moggies (& 'accidental', as in wants cute kittens so lets their cat out to find a random tomcat) without encouraging intentional breeding.
     
  5. OrientalSlave

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    Pedigree rescues mostly cater for cats which have to be rehomed because the owner dies, their marriage / partnership breaks down, or there are social problems. If you took all the moggies in rescues for these reasons away they will still be full of cats.
     
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    To be honest a 10 second look at any rescue centre will give you the answer to your question. There is never a shortage of moggies seeking loving new homes and there are dozens of rescue organisations seeking the same thing for the cats in their care. Are you in the UK?
     
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    If you stop and think about it I'm sure you will see why .
    To breed well adjusted.happy,healthy kittens takes a lot more planning than just not bothering to neuter, allowing to roam while calling , mated by any unneutered male for miles around.
    Raised,if they are lucky to 7/8 weeks old and then sold to anyone who wants one,and the whole process starts again.
    Hardly surprising that there are lots of kittens/cats in rescue nobody wants :(.
     
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    I totally agree with this.

    My main worry is the increase of Bengals - people not knowing what they are taking in and removing due to not being able to cope (as opposed to Persians/ Siamese etc).

    ETA although there was a Siamese I saw in a rescue due to being 'too noisy':rolleyes: Siamese are known for being 'talkative'. Not sure why it didn't go back the the breeder (unless it was a byb).
     
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  10. Serenity123

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    all I ever see with moggy kittens is rehoming due to being allergic, or pregnant. I'm allergic to my cat but I wouldn't dream of rehoming her, she is part of my family and that will never change, many moggy breeders don't care about the cat or kittens welfare, just about lining their pockets with the odd £30, I saw a cat recently abandoned because she would need a c-section and the woman couldn't afford it so the poor cat now has to go into rescue (luckily the cat and kittens survived) ive also just had to rescue 2 mother kittens (age 1) and 8 newborn kittens because he owner couldn't cope with that many.
     
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    We live in south west Scotland and there are only the cats protection league and SSPCA in our area. At the time I also tried Ayrshire, Glasgow and Cumbria with no luck either. I ended up paying £100 for my kitten and brought her straight to the vet to get checked out, vaccinated etc as soon as possible...

    I used the cat chat list of shelters at the time to try and find one that I could re-home but with no results unfortunately.
     
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    I live in buckinghamshire and the local charity I volunteer at is ALWAYS full.

    We have cats bought in by RSPCA inspectors, cats that get dumped, strays that arent neutered or chipped so cant be reunited with owners. We have cats who have owners who have died, gone into care, are emigrating, the list is endless.

    Then we get hundreds of kittens, people who havent neutered their cats and then cannot cope with kittens.

    And this is just one small branch of a national charity - no rehoming centre, just people who foster and volunteer.

    I have always wanted a siamese ever since I was a child but never had one. with so many lovely cats that are desperate to get out a rehoming pen, I would rehome one every time even though I still long for a siamese!
     
  13. cows573

    cows573 PetForums Senior

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    Just to put the cat among the pigeons then, as they say.....
    Let's extend this post... why is it acceptable for pedigree breeders to breed their cats when there are so many cats or kittens needing reformed already?
    Is there breeding stopping cats from being rehomed?
    Many people wouldn't be like you, denying themselves the cat they really want in favour of rehoming a cat that needs a home....
     
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    Because if good pedigree breeders didn't breed, lots of lovely breeds which have been around for decades (or longer) would no longer exist - Siamese, British shorthair...(couldn't possibly list them all) and that, to me, would be very sad. I know it wouldn't matter to some but I think it would be incredibly sad. I am a Somali lover. Not a very well known breed and not been around as long as some, but if there were no Somalis in the world I think the world would be a poorer place. Reputable pedigree breeders don't breed just because they like kittens and want to bring more into the world. They are invested in continuing and improving the breed(s) they love.

    There is no shortage of moggies, sadly, so no justifiable reason to add more.
     
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    the last time i saw a recent estimate of the number of free-roaming cats in the USA was about 3-years ago - the general figure is approx 90 million cats, of whom a small fraction in urban or suburban areas are currently owned.

    The rest were abandoned by their owners [moved / left behind, dumped out of the car & they drove off, shoved out the door when there were too many with the most-recent litter, etc, etc], & are "former" pets who may or may not be approachable, depending upon their experiences or how scared they are, & then the many, many, many FERAL cats - born without human contact, terrified of humans, & many are not handleable.
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    a teeny-weeny fraction of this horde of free-roaming felines, approx 2%, is in "managed colonies" - some are well-run: all the adults are known & chipped, they are vaxed [rabies every 3-yrs for life], they're caught for needed vet-care if they're hurt or sick, they're fed regularly & new recruits are quickly trapped for a vet visit, S/N, rabies vax, & chip; in bad weather, they've got basic shelter.
    Other "managed" colonies are a train-wreck, with multiple intact adults, frequent litters, random vaccinations, no microchips, no rabies records... basically they are fed if somebody shows up, & that's about it. :(
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    Then there are the 2.7-million homeless pets who are euthanized every year as "surplus", which is mostly cats - fewer dogs are killed. Cats & kittens are a glut on the market - they are everywhere in cities & suburbs, slinking thru gardens, lurking in drainpipes, under crawl spaces below houses, in warehouses & storage buildings, in empty lots, giving birth in Dumpsters, dying on roadsides.
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    Anyone can find a kitten or cat of the color, pattern, age, personality, etc, that they want - somewhere in the U-S, & probly not far from their own door. Moggies with long hair, short coats, plume tails?... no problem. Patched, deep pigment or dilute, tabbies of mackerel or moire, black, white, blue, biscuit, tortie, U name it, it's out there.
    PetFinder is a shelter- & rescue- website to shop for an adoptable pet - thousands of animals are listed by thousands of municipal or private shelters, non-profit rescues, & foster organizations. They post photos of at least 80% of their available pets.
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    Nobody "needs" to breed a moggie - the world is awash in cats & kittens who desperately need homes. :(
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    Going by the number of litters of kittens the dogs and cats rehoming homing centre where I got my last dog from always seems to have in on a regular basis, I would think that's a possible indication why. There have just recently been two litters in, plus a constant supply of cats of all ages. I should imagine that they are not unique either in the number they get in.
     
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    The amount of moggies I've seen selling for up to £350 not vaccinated, chipped etc, yet people buy them because they are a 'half pedigree' moggie breeders use this as an excuse to bump the price up. At least with a good pedigree breeder you know what your getting, you know the history and that the kitten has been well loved and looked after. More moggies end up in rescue then any other because people grow bored once they have grown out of the cute and fluffy stage sadly
     
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