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Discussion in 'Dog Chat' started by PoisonGirl, Apr 3, 2011.


  1. PoisonGirl

    PoisonGirl Banned

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    Bit of help here, for someone who doesn't 'do' forums or fb etc.

    He has had his rescue staffy for over a year and he has always been a grump with in your face dogs, yet he has a handful (or should that be pawful? :lol:) of dogs he is proper friends with.. or has been!

    Seeing a behaviourist because there is the chance he has to move in with his mum and her collie where he spends alot of time has to look after her anyway she has just told him he needs to get his dog sorted soon, or face the reality that it just isn't working out.

    Problem being that his dog has now attacked 4 dogs, his mums dog, a strange dog that got a bitten ear but then the next two were his best mates. The first he attacked him over nothing (that he could tell) and then was fine with all his friend dogs, walking and playing with them etc but then has really gone for another of his friend dogs and both ended up bleeding.

    Where is the line for the owner of these two dogs to say well my friends dog isn't welcome around them anymore incase it happens again?

    And where is the line that says no improvement has been made so far so its highly unlikely to?

    Now he loves his dog to bits, but there is no way he is going back to a rescue to rot, being a staffy, who has bitten and drawn blood on 3 dogs, who will want him?
    Nor can he pass on a problem, this dog is completely unpredictable with his aggression.... this time it happend, it was on completely mutual ground somewhere the dog had never been before, and with the other dogs' toy (it was his dog who started it not the other dog).

    After 14 months of trying and not getting very far and now seeming to go backwards.... how do you know when to stop?
    When you can't enjoy your dog because you cant take him anywhere for fear of him going for someone elses dog, becoming afraid that he is going to bite a person....


    The way it is going his mum doesnt want the dog in her house at all.... but now they just keep the dogs seperate all the time after he has tried to go for his mums collie a few times. It is a hard decision to make... but what do you do?
     
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  2. Pineapple

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    Sad situation, can I ask, does the dog wear a muzzle at all?
     
  3. metaldog

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    Baskerville Muzzle or no contact with other dogs would be my bottom line.
     
  4. portiaa

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    I cant imagine the situation..but this is what I would do had he been my dog..

    Take him to the vet.
    Has he had a vet check,to rule out anything medical? (since on some instances it just happened out of the blue) if not-this might be a good idea-in case he is in pain/discomfort.

    Or..

    Seek an experienced behaviourist.
     
  5. PoisonGirl

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    Yes the dog does wear a muzzle with dogs known he doesn't like... so his mums dog, and when there are new dogs.

    He can't muzzle the dog 24/7 should he have to move in with his mum, and the two dogs are going to be miserable if they are shut out all the time, his mums collie is use to spending alot of time in the house with her and is an older dog. His staffy is use to spending all of his time together so either way, the one shut out is miserable.

    He has seen the vet, nothing wrong, and they do have advice of behaviourist (as I did say in the post) would it be worth having a brain scan?
     
  6. catz4m8z

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    Wow, that isnt a good situation.:( I wold think yo could only really have a DA dog if you always walked it on lead and muzzled....and had no contact with dogs the rest of the time. It doesnt seem like it would work out with both dogs living together risking injury if they should meet.
     
  7. Amethyst

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    It's unlikely they will want to pay for a brain scan? I would guess, not sure of the cost but probably a LOT of money. To be honest, chances are it won't show anything, some Staffs just aren't good with other dogs :(

    Personally I think it would be wrong to let it anywhere near the older Collie, it sounds a recipe for disaster.

    Ultimately it depends if this owner is willing to commit 100% to keeping his and other dogs safe, if he is this will mean ensuring his Staffie is muzzled and on lead at all times when outside or anywhere near another dog. If he can't do this then maybe a difficult decision will have to be made.
     
  8. PoisonGirl

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    How much does a brain scan cost?
    He wants to cover all aspects he can.. he doesn't want to have to say 'what if', like what if the dog did have something wrong to make him act like this.
    This dog is normally great friends with these dogs, and he is not like it towards all dogs all of the time, strange dogs have approached out on walks and he hasn't gone for them, he is also fine if he goes upto another dogs so I don't think that its just he doesn't like other dogs.

    His dog is always on a lead or at least a lunge because he has rubbish recall. I think, as far as I have been told anyway, this situation would have been worse had his dog not been on the lunge because it meant he could stand on the lead and catch up with them while the other dog was trying to get away and his was following.
     
  9. Malmum

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    I wouldn't put my old dog through that tbh and he'd have to find a home for the dog or not move in with me, son or not. They could always separate the two with a baby gate but i'd understand if his mum wouldn't want to do this. He sounds like a very unpredictable dog and if he can't re home him - which with his issues would be difficult - I think the only other option is pts, hard as it sounds.

    Not fair on his mum or either dog to have to live an imprisoned life, especially as his mum probably likes her life the way it is anyway.
     
  10. Sled dog hotel

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    hen Nuke had her brain scan a few weeks back it came to just short of 1100 but that did include a consulttion which I think was about 175 and also a couple of blood tests. It wasnt at the normal vets either she had to go to a specialist.

    I assume he is neutered? I notice a couple of the dogs he attacked you referred to as Him I think. Does it seem to be mostly male dogs and if so is it nore uneutered ones by any chance. You might find (also depending on his age) thats its more same sex aggression. Sometimes happens with male dogs when they hit puberty. Kobi can be iffy with large males and especially if they are un neutered and a bit lairy.
     
  11. frosty2010

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    Im afraid i agree if he is unable to guarentee the safety of other people and animals then he should be PTS it sounds horrible but its much more humane than others would experience having their throat ripped out by a staffie.

    Its a hard decision and always a last resort if everything has been tried then this is the only option.
     
  12. PoisonGirl

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    He could probably find a home for the dog... but he is with me that its irresponsible to pass on a dog that has problems, especially as his aggression towards other dogs is unpredictable. He just couldn't bear to think that if he rehomed the dog and something happened, it would be his fault for passing that dog on.

    He doesn't want to give up on the dog. He has spent so much time and hard work with him, but how long do you keep trying unsucessfully?
    He now doesn't know if he should walk with the friend dogs, and is muzzling the dog forever so he cant play with his toys on walks going to be much fun for him? :(

    He asked me what would I do if it was me, and I said thats different because I have children so if my dog was acting like that, then it would have to go, for my childrens safety. Wether the dog had gone for people or not, being unpredictable I wouldn't take that chance. That's why I asked on here, he doesn't have children.
     
  13. PoisonGirl

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    Yep he is neutered, the friend dogs are a male and a female, both neutered, the strange dog was a male and his mums dog a femal, no idea wether the strange dog was neutered or not. His dog is 3.
    They don't know what happen to him before they got him as he was from a pound, stray and on his last day.
     
  14. NoSpecialFeaturesHere

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    Is it not possible just to keep him away from other dogs altogether? I know there's always the risk of dogs running over on walks, but if your friend picks his times and places, it is possible to avoid other walkers. I have to do it every day for my unsociable one's sake. It's not ideal, but we function okay. You learn to adapt.

    I wish them the best anyways. x
     
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