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When is enough enough?! I don't know whether to abandon raw.

Discussion in 'Dog Health and Nutrition' started by GoldenShadow, Nov 27, 2012.


  1. GoldenShadow

    GoldenShadow PetForums VIP

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    Suppliers :mad:

    Basically I ditched my original supplier because they were rather unreliable. I can't do unreliable with Rupert, it doesn't work. I know what he does well eating, and he needs quite a lot of bone. If I don't know what I'm getting every four weeks its very stressful.

    My newest supplier appear to have now changed their delivery, meaning I have to go a week longer. Doesn't sound dire, but my original order got subbed with bones neither of my dogs could eat. So I only had 3.5 weeks of food anyway. Now I have 1.5 weeks with technically no food, and the supplier have very little of the stuff I need in stock right now anyway.

    Luckily I bought 12kg of Natural Instinct mince at DD which is coming today. However, I cannot feed Rupert just mince because without bone every day his digestion suffers. This brings on his skin problems and I have only just taken him off steroids.

    I can't stick him on commercial or a few days and then back on raw without really ill effects either. His digestion takes time to get used to the switch.

    I'm sat here really upset thinking shall I just jack it all in and stick him back on Naturediet and Arden Grange which he did OK on :(

    What would you do?
     
  2. Milliepoochie

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    Can you ring them and explain everything you have in this thread?

    Explain you prefer feeding raw BUT need to know when deliveries are coming and what is in them.

    Give them one last chance to make the customer happy before you go back to a kibble.

    Very frustrating for you :(
     
  3. GoldenShadow

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    Thing is they are very new to supplying pet food products and I am just having visions that they are turning into my original supplier :(

    I understand they need to chop and change things around, they are going to supply someone 20 miles from me so I could get the stock from them, but they wont have any stock til Dec 14th anyway which renders it useless for me right now. Plus they charge more.

    I'm mid way through a degree in Business Management, and I was going to do my dissertation on the commercialisation of dog food and how it affects consumer behaviour. But now I'm really bloody disheartened to see how things like prices are starting to make raw more on par with commercial food, especially including delivery costs.

    Just ARGHHHHHHH I need a right old scream today. And about 20 more hours in the day :(
     
  4. Helbo

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    I don't feed raw so please forgive me if this isn't' a sensible comment:

    But is there any way you could come to a deal with your local butcher? If you could perhaps buy all your bones from your butcher, then you only have to buy your mince etc online and since bone is the important part of the meal for your boy, you'll never be without (in theory).
     
  5. Goblin

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    You know I feed raw and would recommend raw to people after they've done their homework on it. However you have tried it and the question now should be what is the benefit, if any, for Rupert. If there isn't a marked difference between raw and the Naturediet or Arden Grange I'd be very tempted myself to change back if it means avoiding an upset once a month.

    Will also say (although may be hated for it), doing a degree means you need to be able to not worry every month and need as much stability as possible. If you can provide yourself with that stability whilst not making a lot of difference to Rupert then do so.
     
  6. Phoolf

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    I would suggest trying to source from butchers, try ringing round reputable ones that do their own butchering and I'm sure you'd be surprised. The halal butcher near me gives me 20+ chicken carcasses for £1, liver heart and lungs all connected for £1, lamb bones for free and the other butcher I go to makes up a mince for dogs and will do me pigs trotters and necks.
     
  7. Milliepoochie

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    Hope you can get it sorted - At the end of the day you need a reliable company who will be able to deliver what you want when you want.

    It shouldnt be stressful trying to ensure you have the right food. :(
     
  8. Shrap

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    If you can't get it sorted then I'd stick him back on the commercial that he had no ill effects on. Poor Rupert x
     
  9. babycham2002

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    Agree with others thoughts
    With Ruperts issues and your position, you could really do without the stress and so could he.

    I know that you have trouble finding a good butcher round your way.
    Otherwise Phoolfs suggestion is spot on, I used to have a fab butcher like that.
     
  10. GoldenShadow

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    Not an option I'm afraid girls :( I have two local butchers, one who never has anything that he's willing to sell me :rolleyes: and the other one is a complete git. He makes me barter and I've been a bit dubious about the quality of what he gives me. I got chicken heads and necks etc from him in August and Rupert was horrendously sick. Then he came down with his pancreatitis two days later. I've just had enough of that guy. The butchers has been sold and he's been told he is to leave but its not happened yet and he's still there :(

    He has been on it since May 2011 and his skin is certainly no better. I mean its not worse either, but yeah :(

    Its so stressful worrying about if and when his food is coming. There are a couple who are more reliable that would courier to me but 1) its £15-£20 just to deliver it every 4-5 weeks and 2) its really difficult trying to organise it to be delivered.

    If he goes back on commercial I think my Mum would prefer Milo to go back on it too. I don't feel like I want to stop feeding raw but its just causing so much aggro and I'm getting messed around so much :(

    In the last six months Rupert has had a fair bit of plaque build up as well and he has plenty of boney meals, raw seems to be doing jack all for his teeth too! :(
     
  11. essex spaniels

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    You are in exactly the same position as me last year, I ditched my supplier aswell! I now feed a decent kibble in the morning then raw/bones in the afternoon, that way if I run out of raw its not a major change to their diet if they get fed soley on kibble for a couple of days, also if we are away at the weekends in the caravan I just take kibble with me
     
  12. essex spaniels

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    In an emergency I use chicken wings from tesco they are almost the same price as the ones from the raw feed suppliers
     
  13. GoldenShadow

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    Milo (lab) would do fine this way, but Rupert (golden) wouldn't :( When the supplier left me high and dry last year and I did a few days of kibble Rupert was routinely sick before breakfast (bile) and was more prone to throwing up his raw for the next week until he settled back down.

    Worth thinking about for Milo though, I imagine I could still chuck Rupert the odd pig trotter and he'd be OK...
     
  14. RAINYBOW

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    I know you have had a real struggle with Rupes diet so hugs xx

    Have you ever tried him on predominantely Fish rather than meat ??

    Oscar is very sensitive and does so much better on a Salmon and Potato than he ever did on anything meat or poultry based.

    PAH do a salmon and Potato wet tray for 80p (its a decent size) and a matching kibble that is really really reasonable (i just switched Oscar onto it from Barking heads)

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    You can always supplement with chicken wings (cheap and chearful) from the supermarket for extra bone ???
     
  15. Mum2Heidi

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    I think I would strip it all back to what works best for Rupert. If it's the raw (and it sounds as tho commercial was just as good) but you cant guarantee the supply you need and irregularity makes him poorly, then I would go with commercial which if not quite as good will have the edge thro being reliable.

    That said, dont know which AG you use but dont forget they've changed a few things recently. Plus ND have increased their rice.

    Not an easy decision but I would choose what is the best in the long run for Rupert.:D
     
  16. Malmum

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    I ditched the supplier I had for years around four months ago now, even though I'd been a regular customer he often missed me out and I basically got fed up with his lackadaisicle customer service - wont be recommending him any more! :mad:

    Have since got all my guys raw from my butcher, phone one day and ready to pick up the next. He saves me lovely meat loaded pork ribs and lots of odds and ends including a variety of free bones which are far better than the £7 ones which I paid for from my original source. I get much more variety from the butcher and none of his stuff smells. Lovely pig tails and pig skin too which the dogs love.

    I told my original guy he'd lose custom and I hope he's learning some valuable lessons in doing so because he had a great business going but seemed to lose interest the more customers he got. If you have a butcher that also does pet mince and tripe for pets he'll likely be pleased to do you a monthly order and at least you won't be left high and dry like I've been in the past! :)
     
  17. Hanlou

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    At the end the day you just have to do what you think is best. I would much prefer to feed raw to Whisper (and I did try!) but in the end Whisper wouldn't eat it and it just got too stressful trying to force the issue.

    So we've gone back to commercial food. I use a good quality commercial food (well; several good quality brands lol) and Whisper's much happier and so am I.

    I'm pleased I tried but am not too upset it didn't work out. Apparently sometimes you really *can't* teach an old dog new tricks......:rolleyes:

    You just have to do what you can. As long as you are feeding a good quality food I don't think it's a major issue not feeding raw. :)
     
  18. Werehorse

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    I would go back to a commercial he's happy on. It sounds like he needs consistency more than anything. I found feeding raw really hard and I didn't even get properly into it, just got Natures Menu complete frozen blocks and added some bones.

    Oscar is much happier on his commercial food now and I haven't notice massive reductions in the good things you expect from raw (clean teeth, shiny coat etc).
     
  19. toffee44

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    I use landywoods who deliver every 4 weeks and ring the week before.

    I now use them as my base ie poultry, tripe, biggish bones, some offal and then source extras else where
     
  20. Howl

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    I have never fed raw besides the odd mince/beef bits/hoof.
    Digestion issues pushed us to putting D onto cooked turkey and brown rice for a long period of time. She thrieved on it, built muscle and it was the fix she needed for her stomach issues.
    I got my supply from a turkey farmer as human grade legs and whole turkeys prepared minus the crown. This was £20 a large carrier bag last time I ordered any. I cooked the whole thing then just removed the bone feeding everything else including skin, fat, and made the juicey bits into a gravy with boiling water and a small amount of flour.
    We trialed a few commercial foods if they didn't agree we put her back onto turkey and rice for a bit before trying another food. The vet believed some of the issues were to do with allowing her stomach's natural bacteria/balance to recover from a food it didn't agree with.
    This worked until we found a good commercial food that agrees with her.
    I knew I couldn't cook her meals forever especially while studying full time. I doubt very much if I could do it now but would if I had to.
    Now with the Sixstar research we are able to test new foods so we have a few available to us, some readily available and some I need to plan and order.
    I wonder if a similar system with cooked food may work for you. Cooked food although not as nutritious as RAW does allow a diet change without upsetting the system as much. I believe it had more nutrition and she looked better on it that any of the commercial foods. I know with the commercial food I can also suppliment with cooked meat without an upset stomach being an issue which is sadly a disadvantage to raw. If I am running low on turkey I can bulk up on kibble the ratios can change without the upset of a full diet change.
    Could you feed Arden Grange with a large piece of cooked meat cooked at the beginning of the week to supplement, freeze etc.
    Best of luck. This is only my own experience I hope you find a solution which fits.
     
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