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What is deemed as "too much" with play/fighting

Discussion in 'Dog Training and Behaviour' started by JessandJackson_x, Feb 3, 2019.


  1. JessandJackson_x

    JessandJackson_x PetForums Member

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    Today we were over some woodland.

    Initially bumped into 2 red staffys. They were both lovely and Jackson engaged with them but the eldest out the two played a tad rough with him and as staffys do, the snarling and mounting and hip bashing came out. The women with them was quite the ditz going 'she's fine she's fine she's just noisy' but I leaded Jackson up and at this point I was struggling to get him / her away from each other It didn't get nasty but I actually just had to say to her, can you please take her away now as she's teaching him its ok to bite and dominate.

    So off we went.. It was dead-quiet and not a soul about. We were playing chase and with his new ball. Out of nowhere, a couple came out of the thickest with an approx 3 year old lab. I didn't have time to stop him (manners n all that) and lead him up and by this point, he was chasing the lab half way up the hill. I could see the couple not phased with the playing but I couldn't see much of the play itself - I was jogging up the hill at this point. Then I heard a yelp from the lab and by this point I caught Jackson trying to pin him down and he was going for (not in a nasty way) his neck, elbows and ear (think the ear was the yelp)... they rolled into the woman who was then knocked over and screamed saying Jackson had bit her so the man got Jackson away from his lab and gave him a hard push. So I leaded him up and yup we got into an argument as the first thing was 'those f*cking dogs all need putting down with their owners' so off I went at him he shouted at me which intern made the boy bark so we just walked off (they got a swift f*ck off too)...

    What annoyed me was they were quite happy to let their lab engage and not at one point did they intervene and leash him up.

    Do you think the behaviour the staff showed washed onto him and thus only the lab?

    Was having a read of this too to try and give me some insight https://thebark.com/content/your-dogs-rough-play-appropriate
     
  2. kimthecat

    kimthecat PetForums VIP

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    I think the rough play with the Staffies would have got Jackson into a state of over excitement and arousal and he hadn't properly calmed down before he met the lab.

    ETA that looks a good link , I'll have a read of it now.
     
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    I'm just going to repeat what I said on your humping thread.

    If he were my dog he would not be getting to interact with any other dogs on walks full stop.
    Walks are for training, interacting and playing with me, and purposeful engagement exercises. Until you can reliably call him away from other dogs, he does not need to be off leash IMO.
     
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    JessandJackson_x PetForums Member

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    Yes I think you could be right :Sorry it was hard as the lady kept letting the bigger staff off/on the lead and she even said she was "looking after her" and funnily enough, it has a zapper collar on so it clearly doesn't know when to stop.
     
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    JessandJackson_x PetForums Member

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    Hmmmm - yes I do appreciate where you are coming from but I think it had a lot to do with the staff type of play. I can't punish him and keep him away from playing as 9/10 he's very well natured and comes when calls. I get there are going to be those times like the above and as I said, I do my best to lesh-him-up when I see a human or dog coming as he meets and greets on my terms. To keep him away from socialising would be silly and it would defeat the object of me putting him on pack-walks as that's unavoidable.
     
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    You're not socializing him.
    You're magnetizing him to other dogs and teaching him that fun and excitement comes from other dogs and you are just a mode of transport.
     
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    Fun and excitement is a form of socialising
     
  8. StormyThai

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    You really do need to keep him leashed until you have a solid recall (he can still play ball on a long line)
    I would have been pretty annoyed, especially as he knocked someone over...he could be reported for being dangerously out of control (which he was).

    As @kimthecat said, over arousal probably played a part but his behaviour to the lab was unacceptable :(
     
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    This whole post is nonsense.

    It's clear that when Jackson is offlead, you can't control him. If you allow him to play at will with other dogs, then you can't control how those dogs behave either.

    It's totally unacceptable that Jackson chased the Labrador, caught him and began biting at him, then knocked over the lady owner. You could come into some real trouble for allowing such behaviour.

    Until such time as you can control him, get him to listen to you and engage with you, he should not be offlead, free to behave as he pleases.
     
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    Rubbish.
     
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    But you would say that because you have a staff - I am only stating what I saw.
     
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    Nonsense. Biting at a yelping dog and knocking over it's owner is not fun and excitement nor a form of socialising.

    Why do you ask for advice as regards your training and then proceed to disagree with those who offer advice and whom are far more experienced than you, particularly @02.0 and @StormyThai?
     
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    No. I would say that because it's true.

    You may have seen one Staffy behaving that way, but it doesn't mean the entire Breed does.
     
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    I do listen to them just not you as you come in guns a'blazing on not just my post, but majority of the junior-posters on here. You frighten people off with your bulshy remarks.
     
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    I didn't tarnish the entire worldwide breed. I had a staff originally who, when play / fight, sounded a lot more noisy and vocal compared to something like a lab and if you don't know the breed it can startle some people.
     
  16. Siskin

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    I’m glad I wasn’t the lady your dog knocked over as I could well have broken something.

    You do have to be very careful when you allow your dog to play with other excitable dogs as they can behave like unguided missiles. Isla is very friendly and no doubt would have been up for a play, but she has a very good recall because that was something I practiced and practiced. When she was a teenager I kept her on the lead and didn’t allow her to play with other dogs unless I knew them
     
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    If you mean I have little patience with those who repeatedly ask for advice and then repeatedly ignore it, you are correct.
     
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    Could you find a walking partner with a calm dog . maybe walk Jackson on a lead along side other dogs for socialisation?
     
  19. JessandJackson_x

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    Do yourself a favour and don't read into any of my posts as they clearly set you off.
     
  20. StormyThai

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    -Dons mod hat-

    Lets keep things civil please.
     
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