[OrientalSlave]

I see you've given "cute" and "for the experience" for wanting to breed. I hope no-one thinks those would be good reasons for having a human baby, and nor are they good reasons for allowing or causing kittens to be bornn

 

[lillytheunicorn]

FIFe doesn’t have an active / non active register like GCCF does. However FIFe member clubs such as Felis Britannica can have national rules and in the U.K. a breeder can request a pedigree to be stamped not for breeding. This means no offspring could be registered in any bona fide registry.
You may not sign the contract until the day you collect the kitten.

have you thought your boy may be not for breeding for a reason?

 

[via_cat]

Actually the breeder can take buyers to court if they fail to neuter, and breed from non active cats which they sold as a pet only. It can and it has happened. Only a complete fool with no moral base would encourage someone to breed fron a non active cat.

Depending on your country most pet kittens are neutered before leaving the breeder, along with a fairly strict contract which will be signed either just prior on upon collection. As the kitten is FIFE I'm assuming not UK, as that is not a commonly used registry here.

I'm in the UK, I asked the breeder and he won't be neutered before leaving her and she said it's my obligation to neuter him.

 

[via_cat]

FIFe doesn't have an active / non active register like GCCF does. However FIFe member clubs such as Felis Britannica can have national rules and in the U.K. a breeder can request a pedigree to be stamped not for breeding. This means no offspring could be registered in any bona fide registry.
You may not sign the contract until the day you collect the kitten.

have you thought your boy may be not for breeding for a reason?

I'm not sure why he's not for breeding, they've been health tested and are healthy with no underlying issues so it might just be preference of the breeder to not have her kittens used for further breeding

 

[via_cat]

I see you've given "cute" and "for the experience" for wanting to breed. I hope no-one thinks those would be good reasons for having a human baby, and nor are they good reasons for allowing or causing kittens to be bornn

I don't see the issue if I'm fully capable of looking after the kittens, they wouldn't be left and dumped they'd be well cared for.

 

[QOTN]

I'm not sure why he's not for breeding, they've been health tested and are healthy with no underlying issues so it might just be preference of the breeder to not have her kittens used for further breeding

Exactly, so please do not go against her wishes. No reputable breeder registers their cats on Active without much thought. Even so it is easy to make mistakes as I found several times to my lasting regret and my cats' detriment.

 

[OrientalSlave]

I don't see the issue if I'm fully capable of looking after the kittens, they wouldn't be left and dumped they'd be well cared for.

There seems to be is an assumption all will be well. Often it is, but as with human pregnancy & deliver, not always. There isn't an NHS for cats, so you need to be able to lay our hands on potentially several £k if she needs an out of hours section. Very occasionally you have to hand rear which to start with means feeding tiny fragile kittens every 2 hours night & day. Sometimes kittens are born with deformities and have to be pts, sometimes kittens simply die.

If any or all of these things happened, can you cope financially? Emotionally? Do you have sufficient time?

 

[spotty cats]

I don't see the issue if I'm fully capable of looking after the kittens, they wouldn't be left and dumped they'd be well cared for.

If you want to breed why not be upfront with the breeder and let them know your plans?

if nothing else it may persuade them to be responsible enough to EN from now on.

 

[via_cat]

There seems to be is an assumption all will be well. Often it is, but as with human pregnancy & deliver, not always. There isn't an NHS for cats, so you need to be able to lay our hands on potentially several £k if she needs an out of hours section. Very occasionally you have to hand rear which to start with means feeding tiny fragile kittens every 2 hours night & day. Sometimes kittens are born with deformities and have to be pts, sometimes kittens simply die.

If any or all of these things happened, can you cope financially? Emotionally? Do you have sufficient time?

I do have sufficient funds yes and I am capable of handling it emotionally because I've been through it before with a pregnant cat I rescued, four of her kittens were stillborn and she had a c section to remove the fifth kitten that then had to be put to sleep and it was hard but we managed it. Raising kittens wouldn't be a decision I'd take lightly.

 

[via_cat]

If you want to breed why not be upfront with the breeder and let them know your plans?

if nothing else it may persuade them to be responsible enough to EN from now on.

Because I've already paid a deposit on my kitten with the intention of having him as a pet, breeding was just something I had thought about as a one off and I wouldn't want the breeder to decide I can't have my kitten if I suggested breeding from him

 

[spotty cats]

I wouldn't want the breeder to decide I can't have my kitten if I suggested breeding from him

As they well should, deceitful owners are not what a breeder wants for their kitten.

Once again feeling very glad a pet kitten has never left me without being neutered first.

 

[OrientalSlave]

Because I've already paid a deposit on my kitten with the intention of having him as a pet, breeding was just something I had thought about as a one off and I wouldn't want the breeder to decide I can't have my kitten if I suggested breeding from him

If you said you wanted a pet and would neuter him and then change your mind without telling the breeder you are dishonest and untrustworthy.

 

[AlleyCatRescuer]

I do have sufficient funds yes and I am capable of handling it emotionally because I've been through it before with a pregnant cat I rescued, four of her kittens were stillborn and she had a c section to remove the fifth kitten that then had to be put to sleep and it was hard but we managed it. Raising kittens wouldn't be a decision I'd take lightly.

It stuns me that you can have seen how wrong a pregnancy can go and yet still want to put your pet through that.
Have you thought at all about how traumatic this could be to your girl and how it might upset the other cats in your home to have a sexually mature territorial male around?

 

[via_cat]

If you said you wanted a pet and would neuter him and then change your mind without telling the breeder you are dishonest and untrustworthy.

But what difference does it make to the breeder? Once the cat is out of their care it shouldn't be their decision what I choose to do with him.

 

[via_cat]

It stuns me that you can have seen how wrong a pregnancy can go and yet still want to put your pet through that.
Have you thought at all about how traumatic this could be to your girl and how it might upset the other cats in your home to have a sexually mature territorial male around?

Because the only reason that went wrong was because she had an allergic reaction to flea treatment. I'd make sure everything was correct this time.

 

[OrientalSlave]

But what difference does it make to the breeder? Once the cat is out of their care it shouldn't be their decision what I choose to do with him.

Decent breeders care what happens to their kittens and don't like being liked to. You are talking as if it's a bit of property, you are disregarding the upset it might cause to your feline household, and the small but real risks to your girl.

 

[OrientalSlave]

Because the only reason that went wrong was because she had an allergic reaction to flea treatment. I'd make sure everything was correct this time.

An allergic reaction to flea treatment is pretty much at the bottom of the list of ways pregnancy, kittening and lactation can go wrong.

 

[QOTN]

But what difference does it make to the breeder? Once the cat is out of their care it shouldn't be their decision what I choose to do with him.

Why do you think it 'shouldn't be their decision?' As has already been said, a cat is a living creature and reputable breeders go to great lengths to ensure their kittens will have the best chance of a long, healthy, happy life.

In any case aren't you looking at this from the wrong standpoint? Surely you should be concentrating on your own integrity and abiding by the guarantees you give the breeder not on questioning why they have decided on the particular conditions attached to their kitten sales which, basically, is their prerogative.

 

[Arny]

But what difference does it make to the breeder? Once the cat is out of their care it shouldn't be their decision what I choose to do with him.

Because breeders care and would find it very upsetting to know they didn't pick the best home for their PET ONLY cat.

Does it not bother you that you'd happily be deceitful?
I wasn't sure whether my cats would be indoor or not so I made sure I spoke about this with the breeder and didn't go to someone who absolutely wanted their cats as indoor as there was no way I was going to lie. Turns out I did decide to keep them as indoor anyway.

If you want to get into breeding, great but do it the right way.

 

[lymorelynn]

It seems that you only care if you are doing something legally wrong and have no consideration for the morals or ethics. You are willing to lie, by omission, if not outright, to the breeder of a kitten.
It's not often I say anything, because as a moderator I try to remain impartial, but I find your attitude towards the advice you have been given reprehensible.
As @Tigermoon has pointed out you could be held legally accountable if you go against the breeder's wishes so, even if you can ignore all of the ethical implications at least bear that in mind.