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welsh-english springers

Discussion in 'Dog Chat' started by barneythore, Aug 12, 2009.


  1. barneythore

    barneythore PetForums Senior

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    could anyone tell me if there is any difference between welsh springer spaniels and english 1s please
     
  2. rona

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    Apart from the colouring and slight shape difference. I have seen both working and the welsh seems to use it's brain more whereas the English seems to work more on instinct.
    Not quite sure what you are asking about ;)
     
  3. barneythore

    barneythore PetForums Senior

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    i was just wondering if there was any difference in size or in the face thats all
     
  4. Acacia86

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    The male ESS should be 19-20" at the withers and the WSS is 17-19".....................i think!
    But Welsh Springers are only rich red and white, whereas ESS's are liver and white, black and white and even tri-coloured (although i don't think this is accepted in the show ring)

    I could be wrong................lol!!
     
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    yes tri-colour are allowed in the show ring ;)

    there is a marked difference in the head and leathers on the ear and the english (show type) tend to be heavier all through than the good old welsh.

    However the difference between a working english and a show english are great the welsh however are not
     
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    Thanks for that! I knew they were bred but didn't know about the showing side!
     
  7. james1

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    I just met a welshman with his welsh gundog springers the other day, Ive seen lots of welsh and the only real difference is the bone/muscle structure in legs and shoulders. Attitudes are the same - they are both a set of rasclas given the chance. Its only the size/colours that make the welsh look a gentleman where the english look more rambo-esq

    The head size is a bit of a talking point - the welsh breeder I met had one with a head the size of my older dog - very wide sculled but the shoulders werent as wide set as the ess. The colours on a welsh are more orange than red, sort of what you see on some king charles. The big difference is price. Both breeds can be worked
     
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    They should be red, orange is frowned upon, and as for price there is not much difference between the price of a show welsh and a show english ;)
     
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    Id describe it as more orage than red. hed won at crufts a few years ago - maybe he thinks they are red too? they are definitely not hazel and they are definitely not pillarbox - somewhere inbetween :) I was alwasy under the impression WS were £750+ whereas ESS were at most £550
     
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    OK but breed standard states Red and mine is red, and yes they are about that but so is a well-bred show english ;)
     
  11. Acacia86

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    I have always thought of them as rich red! In human terms its a deep ginger. A red setter is almost the same colour and they aren't orange!!!!! lol!
     
  12. tashi

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    yes mine is the colour of a red setter he is a real rich red in fact that is him in the photo of the welsh and that actually doesnt do his colour justice he was just a pup there :)
     
  13. Acacia86

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    I love Welshies! When i agreed to take on my boy he was dropped down to me by the previous couple and they told me was a WSS....well he came in and it was quite clear he is an ESS!!! I tried to explain but they wouldn't have it!!
     
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    nah not the colour of a enlish setter thats too deep, how about the colour of autum leaves. :):D:D
     
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    an english setter is orange and wouldnt say my boy is the colour of autumn leaves he is a rich red
     
  16. barneythore

    barneythore PetForums Senior

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    many thanks for all info its just as you can see in my pic thore is big and broad and i think must be the show stock and barney is thin and small headed and i was talking to someone the other day and they said he looked like a welsh 1 just cos i got him from wales dont mean he is so i thought i would ask it says ess on his papers
     
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