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Discussion in 'Dog Training and Behaviour' started by kaisa624, May 5, 2010.


  1. kaisa624

    kaisa624 PetForums VIP

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    I am thinking about walking dogs for a rescue group, as a volunteer, and they currently have 9 dogs in. I will walk all but one dog, as I find her much too strong for me, and if she senses "prey" she will go, and when I first walked her as a trial run, I gave her back after 10 minutes of her pulling and me not able to hold her. The volunteer who I was with, didn't even check her when she pulled, and just let her pull, no stopping etc.

    After that, I asked the rescue group, if I agreed to walk her, would it be ok if I used a halti? She is a SBT, and I use a halti on one of my friends SBT's as she pulls a lot. I was told that I wasn't allowed to use a halti, although it was my own, with my own training lead, as it was unfair on the dog.

    What are your opinions?
     
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    Don't walk the dog. You are trying to do them a favour at the end of the day.
     
  3. Bearpaw

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    Such a shame they arent trying to correct the pulling,it would make rehoming her alot easier!!
     
  4. goodvic2

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    I also volunteer as a dog walker at my local rescue.

    We have mainly SBT x's and they are strong little dogs!

    I happen to disagree with using a halti. Not because there is anything wrong with them, but because (a) you need to use a consistant training tool and (b) the dogs are so excited/full of energy that it is not fair to use them.

    It's not like our own dogs where we let them run around in the garden. Sometimes these dogs only get out once a week.

    The first day I volunteered I walked 4 dogs. I specified that I want to work with the most challenging as I am very resiliant and have had problems with my own dogs. I can honestly say that every muscle was aching in my body from getting pulled!

    I have a belt, which I started using for running, but I now use for any dog walking. The lead slips through it. When they pull, they are pulling your own body weight and not just your poor arms. In saying that I am still aching, but I'm sure that means I am working muscles that I don't usually!

    If you can't manage the dog, then don't bother. The last thing anybody wants is for one of us to have such a bad experience that it puts us off any dog walking.

    Good on you for doing this x
     
  5. kaisa624

    kaisa624 PetForums VIP

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    I'm used to walking strong dogs, but this one is majorly strong. We only get 2 hours a day to be able to walk the dogs.

    The thing that makes me laugh, is that they say that they are trying to train the dogs, however they all pull, except a couple, and when you do check them, they don't exactly respond.

    So, do you think I should just not walk that dog? She has a very strong prey drive, I was thinking of trying to use food to keep her at heel, but as I'm only walking her once a week, I'm not sure how consistent it will be.
     
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    to be honest in my view as a kennel worker,i`m more interested in finding the dog a home than making sure it`s trained,kennel life is very stressful for the dogs and being made to walk perfectly is not high on my priority.
    weve had alot of problems with volunteers thinking thye are ceaser milan and forcing the dogs around because they won`t walk perfectly,then they wonder why the dog doesn`t respond.
    i`m not saying thats what you are doing,but there are alot more important things for the dogs,anytime out of the kennel should be spent playing and getting a fuss.
    Just my opinion
     
  7. goodvic2

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    My opinion is when u have a dog who is stuckon a kennel day after day, with limited human interaction and only gets walked a couple of days a week, at best. Then u have no chance of training them or working on their socialisation. The aim of the walks is to give them a bit of relief from their environment.

    You can only train or expect good behaviour when the dog does not have excess energy. By expecting any more u r going to be let down.

    Just focus on giving the dogs a nice time and accept they will pull. Don't walk this dog If it is too much. Or else get a training belt and take it for a run with u.

    Take the pressure off yourself and the dog and accept it for what it is..... An opportunity for them to burn off energy.
     
  8. kaisa624

    kaisa624 PetForums VIP

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    Yeah! I just wish that they were allowed to run free around their paddocks for an hour of so, obviously kept separate as not all the dogs are socialised.

    I accept she pulls, however, would love to have my arms firmly in their sockets... I will try to get someone else to walk her...
     
  9. Nonnie

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    Would they allow you to use a no-pull harness? They arent quite as restrictive as a headcollar.
     
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    U can train dogs while they are in shelters, to make them more adoptable,
    more appealing, and easier to work with for the staff...
    as well as provide a lot of behavioral-enrichment via the training itself.

    there are several well-known programs - among the largest + best known is Open-Paw
    Open Paw - building lifelong positive relationships with pets

    simply teaching the dogs a Default-SIT when ppl approach the kennel-run, and to SIT to get the leash on + exit,
    is an enormous PR-plus for the passersby, and a boon for staff + vols. it is Not, IMO, asking too much of a dog to exert 45-secs of self-control in order to be safely leashed, and get the kennel-door / run-gate open without a lunging dog leaping thru it, with the hapless volunteer careering after the dog like a water-skier after a speedboat. HOWEVER - it *does mean* that all of the staff + volunteers Must! require sit-to-leash and Sit-to-exit - if ONE person feels this is stoopid, needless, pointless, a waste of time, then the dogs will not be consistent - just as the humans are not consistent.

    if this particular dog is such a heavy-puller, i would ask about using a front-clip H-harness on her -
    not a restricting no-pull which often chafe sensitive armpits, but just an ordinary H-harness with a RING on the chest, joining the 3 straps there - the 2 over the shoulders, and the 1 that goes down the forechest to the heart-girth.
    just clip the leash to the chest-ring, and go - simple.
    keep hands LOW and if she begins to pull, gently apply traction with both hands Across Ur Path Of Travel -
    if she;s on the Right, gently draw to Ur <<<<--- left
    if she;s on the Left, gently draw to Ur ----->>>> Right.
    both hands low, elbows + wrists straight... gentle traction. Easy! :thumbsup:
     
  11. dodigna

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    I agree with above, maybe a halti harness, that will not harm the dog. I know a very strong staffiex (not mine), the head halti is useless with her and could be dangerous as she is stronger and manages to retain control of her head and it scares me she could injure her neck, the non-pull harness has her pulling like a crocodile anyway, she is simply too strong and totally insensitive to pain as a result of a combination of being allowed to pull from when she was a pup and being rough handled in her previous home and walked very little in her life.

    I tried fitting my own balance harness on her, but it was too big for her and the owners aren't bothered as they rather find it easier to just driver her to places and let her off to burn energy :(

    I use a balance harness on my dog (similar to a halti harness in principle) and if I am out with his flat collar I use the training leash doubled across his chest and it works anyway. The checks are much more subtle and I find it very effective as you have alternated control on each hand and the dog has nothing to push against.

    Perhaps you could try on a less of a puller first to get used to the technique and then attempt the alligator lady (this is what I call my friend's mad staffie :))
     
  12. goodvic2

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    Terry I have to disagree with the fact that all dogs can be trained in a kennel environment.

    The high energy dogs who are only getting
    out once a week are impossible. It is a struggle to just get the harness on.

    OP if u wan to walk this dog then attach it to your waist as I suggested. Alternatively take along a no pull harnesS. I use one for one of my dogs. If u want to practice training then do so after a long exercise session.
     
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