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Discussion in 'Dog Training and Behaviour' started by Calum Mills, May 12, 2017.


  1. Calum Mills

    Calum Mills PetForums Junior

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    So I need some help/ advice.
    Harley is 7 months old male dog (unneutered atm) and he loves other dogs- all he wants to do is play chase and run around with them.
    When we are at the beach or park where the majority of dogs are OK he is off lead, if he see's another dog then he will approach and play for a while but when it comes to moving on here is when the problem starts...
    He will come back when recalled and I will begin to move away and give him a treat for coming. Once he has his treat for coming, he stops and just turns around to go back again!
    Its funny but not at the same time as he is so crazy.

    He attends puppy classes and works on manners etc... we are working towards the bronze award. He can do offlead walking round other dogs without any issues there but in the park etc is another matter.

    Is the snip going to help? He needs it done but I am not sure if this will sort this problem out. We have also thought maybe getting a 2nd dog would help as he seems to crave the play of another dog.
     
  2. PixieSpoodle

    PixieSpoodle PetForums Member

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    Have you not tried just putting him on the lead when you want to go?

    I'm not sure I understand the problem. Is he usually walked on the lead and let off to play it is he normally off lead?
     
  3. Burrowzig

    Burrowzig PetForums VIP

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    Do YOU play with him on walks, or give hims tasks to do? Really, you should be more interesting to him than the other dogs. Try taking a ball or tuggy with you.
     
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    labradrk PetForums VIP

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    What breed is he? nearly all puppies will want to play. People tend to make the mistake of allowing a puppy to play with every dog it comes across because the puppy loves it, but this tends to backfire rather spectacularly for a couple of reasons. Firstly because it creates a dog that is obsessed with other dogs, meaning things like recall suffer, especially when the dog hits sexual maturity (as yours is) and realises that other dogs are far more exciting than you. And secondly, when the dog loses it's 'puppy license' (aka is looks like a fully grown dog), behaviours that are 'cute' and more tolerable in a puppy are really not cute or tolerable in [what looks like] an adult dog. Other dogs that are perhaps more tolerant of a puppy will not necessarily be tolerant of a rowdy adolescent, and that is putting your puppy in a potentially dangerous position......

    It sounds to me that you need to be a LOT more balanced in what you do on walks. If he's been conditioned to the fact that every single walk equals running around with other dogs, then you've got your work cut out to try and change that. I suggest keeping him on a long line so that he doesn't have the option of ignoring recall. And try working on his relationship with YOU; what do you do on walks? do you engage with him at all, play with him, do any games, training? you really want him looking to you as his source of fun.
     
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    kimthecat PetForums VIP

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    When he starts to go back and you call him will he come back?

    This might simply be a training issue, you call , he comes and gets treat , job done . he could see this as release and go back to what he was doing .
     
  6. Calum Mills

    Calum Mills PetForums Junior

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    We have tried playing with him on walks and he ignores generally the toys we have- much preferring to run around and smell the outdoors. He will run after a ball but stop after a few steps or just run over it and then stop.

    I guess we are guilty of letting him play with most dogs he meets that are on beach etc. I guess we should stop that and encourage him to walk on past other dogs.
    Not every walk is associated with other dogs- where we live is quite dog populated so his walks generally come across other dogs! ITs just noticeable when he is off lead.

    His general re call is good- he will come back. Only once or twice has he ignored me, its the fact he gets a treat for coming then zooming off again which gets me.
     
  7. bumbarrel

    bumbarrel PetForums Senior

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    If you treat him every time he recalls the strength of the recall diminishes - after all he can rely on a treat every time. So if you vary the type of treat and sometimes just praise he gets to gamble as it were on what he gets.

    Rushing off after the reliable reward might then be reduced if he is not sure what the outcome of his recall will be.

    Hope that makes sense.
     
  8. bogdog

    bogdog PetForums Senior

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    Recall tends to 'disappear' when dogs enter adolescence. I wouldn't give him the chance of going deaf to a recall from now. I'd get him a harness, attach a long line to it and do a bit of heelwork and recall as part of our walks. Then let him go and sniff and play, still on the long line.

    If I wanted him to have a good run off lead, I'd let him, preferably away from other dogs, but wouldn't call him back, I'd just wait for him to come back a few times before putting him on a lead or long line. Having fun with you should be more rewarding than going after dogs. Good luck.
     
  9. Lurcherlad

    Lurcherlad PetForums VIP

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    Don't give the treat until you have touched his collar. Vary it so that sometimes you hold the collar, treat and put his leash on, walk on a bit and then either leave or extend you walk.

    Other times you touch the collar, treat and then tell him "go play!"

    He associates the recall with the end of his fun time, so confuse him! ;)

    Try running away squealing to get him to chase you then he is more likely to fully engage so you can practise the recall/hold/release/releash.
     
  10. smokeybear

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    Real life training is important, in a hall all dogs are compliant as choices are limited.

    Castration is not a magic wand and will have zero effect on your recall issues. Besides he is a little young to be castrated in my opinion; of course if you have little or no control over him in public (as you state) then castration may be wise.

    If you get another dog you will then have TWO dogs which behave inappropriately.

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