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Discussion in 'Dog Chat' started by RAINYBOW, Nov 25, 2010.
Yes,it was Bobby. He's fine today thanks , much happier.
We have a 10 week old Labrador puppy that we've had for just under two weeks. I've never had a puppy before and my OH not for about 25 years or more. The first week I was so tired I didn't know what to do with myself but I knew this was something we were going to have to put up with for a few months. In several respects she is very good, she goes to the door when she wants to toilet, her eating is very good. She has had a crate since day one and when she's had enough or is tired, she takes herself off to it.
This week, its a little easier as we're getting into a routine. The most difficult periods are her manic episodes and the one thing I'm having difficulty coping with is her lunging at me and things which are on the sofa when I'm sitting down. She often bites in her puppy way but with teeth like a razor, she is causing a number of bleeding wounds. We usually get up and walk away but she will often follow trying to bite shoes, trousers etc. Pushing her away is pointless as she comes back every time and even throwing down treats to distract her doesn't work I usually stuff a toy in her mouth which sometimes works or just for a few seconds then she's back.. She grabs clothing and won't let go, all you can do is prise her mouth open. Is there anything else we can do?
Secondly, we haven't established a pattern of sleeping yet. One of us stays up until 11.30 every night in the hope we don't get woken too early. She will start whining at any time, when she first came, it began about 3 a.m., then 2.00 a.m., last night it was 12.30 so we had only been in bed an hour. I'd love to go to bed earlier like I used to but don't want her waking any more times. On the plus side, last week she was getting up at 4.00 most mornings, so was I. The last couple of mornings we've been lucky enough to get through to 6.00. Is there anything more we can do to regulate her waking times?
She isn't getting much chance to let off steam outside at the moment because our garden is in three tiers and she is confined to the large patio adj the house for safety. I'm hoping once she's had all her vaccinations and we can take her out for walks, she will get more tired which may help.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
@Charity you are doing everything right with the biting/nipping but am going to tag @Boxer123 as Loki being a boxer well I can't be sure but am sure he would need attention all of the time. I will also tag @ShibaPup who isn't always on but I can't remember how Lily was for biting/nipping but I think she was quite bad...she had her tearing her hair out a lot. Honestly she's got a lovely well rounded dog who she can be proud of. Even though Lily is a lot bigger than she imagined her first puppy to be!
I really wish I could be more help on the sleeping front...Harley has been like a dream in that regards. However we have an early start in the morning so it's usual for us to be woken between 5-6 am by the other dogs wanting breakfast though they are happy to sleep afterwards. Harley runs round for 15 minutes and follows their lead...
It's a good time to get a puppy in the fact you can usually have nice weather albeit we have had rain rain and more rain here so easier to toilet train, get up in the light or half dark to let the dogs out if need be; not having to freeze etc for toilet trips like you would in the winter. However that comes with light in the early mornings. So it can effect not just puppies but other dogs waking earlier! Just keeping the room as dark as possible can help to some degree.
Ah yes Loki's nighttime reign of terror I remember well. Myself and Sox came to dread evenings with crocodile Loki. The biting he would also go for my clothes. This might sound silly but I took to wearing tight leggings rather than my normal baggy pjs.
A frozen stuffed kong or cold carrot helped to get him to calm down. He is very food motivated. Also if I walked out the room and he carried on I would get him into a sit and do some simple training exercises. It's pain before the injection but I would take him out for a carry on the evening just to break it up a bit.
I am lucky once he had finished the mad zoomies he did sleep ok. Since then I have established a routine I get up with them at 5am and my whole day revolves around them so at seven the sillyness stops they have a kong and I can watch Doc Martin. His toys go in the cupboard. he is 8 months old and normally asleep by 8.
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@Boxer123 aren't Kong's brilliant! Paul Whitehouse moment there!
Harley had her first frozen Kong yesterday. I started off introducing it with kibble, then wet kibble, then wet food then I go to frozen wet food. She absolutely loved it, and was surprised she got every single bit out all by herself, usually she needs a little help!
I think so many people don't understand them, I helped in a pet shop and honestly loads of people would frown upon them not being a necessity (even the shop owner but she hadn't a clue anyway) when getting a puppy/dog. Not known a dog not to like one yet. They all seem to take to them well..although Maisie took a while to understand the concept at first but honestly she's one of the most lacking in brains dogs I have ever owned!
Lily was a shit for biting - I was bleeding and bruised daily. Some days I couldn't touch her - it got that bad for puppy biting.
The worst time was when she latched on to my finger and started tugging - it bled, I crapped myself, cried going home because I thought I was raising a horrible dog that no one will be able to handle. Even contacted trainers and behaviourists at that point! Only one really replied but wanted around £1000 claimed on her insurance - er, nope.
I tried it all - frozen kongs, frozen wet tea towels, raw cold carrot, ice cubes, making sure to have plenty of hard chews laying around for her, shoving toys in her mouth, shoving chews in her mouth - none of that really worked, it might have helped a little bit. It would keep her busy for a little while and probably help her niggling teeth. Oh raw meaty bones were great though! Raw lamb or beef ribs, raw duck, chicken or turkey (massive!) necks, chicken wings - they were fab, I'd often give them frozen.
"Yelping" at her and pushing her away - only excited her more, she thought it was play time. In the end I resorted to stopping play/attention if she was getting wound up, basically got up and ignored her completely (she would tug on my trousers, biting my shoes, jumping up to bite my trousers/legs) I'd stand still, completely ignore her hanging on my clothes, no eye contact, no talking to her - then once she had stopped and calmed down I would tell her good girl and reward her with a little food or very calmly stroke her.
If it got too painful to stand and wait, I'd leave her behind a stair gate, for a few minutes until she calmed down and then go back and reward the calm behaviour. Basically there was a physical barrier in between me and Lily - so I could keep my eye on her but she couldn't get to me. Consistency is key - it gets annoying, in and out, in and out but being consistent gets the message across.
Routine wise - Lily was fairly good. What is Purdey waking up for? Is it for the toilet? If so - changing her last feed, will help with that. If it's for attention and she isn't distressed by being alone - I would ignore it. Lily as a pup went through phases of whining to herself at night - I knew she was fine, she never had any signs of separation anxiety and was perfectly ok being left other times. So on the occasional time she'd start whining - I'd listen out for her, give her 10-15 minutes to see if she'd settle back down herself. She often did. The times she didn't settle herself - I'd go in and check, usually something would be up but even so I'd keep everything very boring, no fusses, wouldn't get her excited or make it fun getting up a silly AM.
Walking - Lily was outside from the first day I brought her home. I live in a flat - got a communal area and those precious few weeks until 16 weeks old are sooo valuable for socialising and habituation. Young confident puppies are like sponges - it's fab! I got Lily out in to the world - get her used to traffic, people, different things in her own time so she was comfortable, give her plenty of positive experiences. It's important for puppies to get outside on soft surfaces like grass to get used to moving around and using their body - I kept Lily on a long line but let her do her own thing. When she was seriously full of energy - taking her outside on some grass with her tied to the fence on a long line was a blessing - she got to run off her energy and I got some peace! Or I'd get the flirt pole out and get her running - perhaps frowned upon but it worked!
I avoided other dogs - didn't let her interact with them, even after her vaccinations because I wanted Lily to be neutral to other dogs. Often puppies who are allowed to meet or "play with" every dog they see - as adults they think the same can happen, sometimes it isn't possible, old dogs, ill dogs, reactive dogs but then those dogs who have met every dog previously can end up as a screaming banshee on the end of the lead for their owner - I didn't want that. So Lily could see other dogs, watch them but she never interacted because I didn't want her picking up bad habits and I wanted her focus on me. I also didn't know anyone that had a dog who is actually good with other dogs - so many dogs are over the top thugs, I didn't want that.
Lily was on a week by week contract - the amount of times I said, give her til the end of the week or month to improve or she can go back to the rescue She always improved! Once Lily was around 7-8 months - our biting issue had improved massively. You have to get through the days - tomorrow is another day, another day closer to it all passing, it is just a phase she's going through and it won't last.
Couldn't live without kongs saying that sox used to turn his nose up but since getting Loki he seems to have learned what to do and loves his now.
Thanks for all your replies and helpful advice.
@Boxer123, your mad zoomies I call red mist .
We do use frozen kongs, she loves them and it keeps her occupied and gives us a bit of peace for about half an hour. Sounds a great idea to use them when she is lunging, didn't think of that.
@ShibaPup, not really sure why she is waking up early as its only been the last couple of nights its been 12.30 ish. OH thinks its because she wants the toilet. She has her crate plus a play pen attached and she has a very very small bowl of water available during the night. I wonder if the fact she drinks even this minor amount of water makes her want to go again. She isn't confined to the crate at night either, she still has access to the pen, would shutting in the crate itself make any difference?
She has her last meal at 7.45 p.m., goes to toilet, has a play for about an hour to an hour and a half then takes herself off to bed. So, we are up for a further two hours while she is sleeping. We then wake her up at 11.30 p.m. toilet her, she faffs about for ten minutes then goes back to bed.
Can I ask what time you feed/fed your pups and did you leave water down? Would it help to shift feeding to later, then when she goes to bed, not wake her up and let her wake at her own time?
She is very good in the car, thanks to the breeder taking all the pups out before we got them, and has been out (carried) three times this last week amongst crowds, other dogs, noises, met a few people etc. and she's been fine. We took her into town last week and she wasn't phased other than when we had to wait at the level crossing and she was really scared of the noise from the train ushing passed. Probably our fault, as we should have stood further back as it was her first time.
Lily always has water down - she's always been a massive drinker. Being younger she isn't going to be able to hold herself for large amounts of time - it'll improve as she gets older.
People do feeding different - I always gave Lily her last meal around 1 hour before I planned to go to bed, gave me time to take her out and for her to settle down afterwards. I tried not to let her sleep after 6-7pm before I went to bed around 10-11pm - it can be troublesome since they get tired and more bitey but when she went in her room, she mostly slept through the night.
Some people prefer to give them their last meal earlier - so they have had time to empty themselves before bed.
Play around with the routine - see what works for you, I know some people do have to get up in the middle of the night to take their pups outside while they're still young.
Letting her sleep a couple of hours before bed - then waking her up, it isn't something I would do personally but you have to find your own routine and what works for you.
I'm the same i leave water all night. I had him in bed with me so wouldn't wake him up (never wake the Kraken ) but if I felt him moving I'd take him to the toilet. I tried taking him out once he had fallen once it was freezing he just curled up on the patio and went to sleep.
One phrase that is helpful ' this to shall pass.' Puppy's are nightmares.
I do last meal about an hour before we go to bed. So about 10 pm..sometimes it's earlier because it depends what jobs am doing in the kitchen just before I settle down for an hour of relaxation before bed..who am I kidding probably on here!
I have always done the last feed an hour before bedtime.
Both my shin tzu were house trained in about 2 weeks, but have the odd accident when left, is that about normal?
I joined this pet site with the intention of rehoming my dog....not because I want too but because I have arthritis and I am finding it difficult in holding the lead...which means my poor dog is not getting the walks he needs. However, my daughter who is living with me for the moment has said she will help . I have also joined borrow my dog site which gives me people who are willing to help walk dogs. So my dog is staying at home and with this in mind I joined this site and ended up on this thread... and I'm glad I did the picking up the poo and finger going through the bag made me smile and chuckle remembering when I did the same and spent 10 mins going yuck yuck yuck...going for walks in whatever weather. I live in a beautiful part of the country and am fortunate to have some lovely dog walks. And I am glad my dog is staying at home. Thank you for reminding how much fun a dog can be.
Sorry to hear about your arthritis. There are loads of threads on here about training your dog to walk loose on the lead. Also if you get a harness with a front loop this can really help. What breed is your dog ? I sure they will be glad to stay with you. The cinnamon trust can also supply walkers.
Hello all! I want to get a dog (medium /small). I live in an apartment but I have a safe and secure balcony and I live near two parks one big one 5 minutes away and a dog park a little closer by. When it comes to walking him/her rain or shine doesn't bother me one bit. What I'm worried about is the hours he/she will be at home I work 9 to 5 +30min travel each way. I know others have pets and full time work, so to you, what would you advise and recommend ? The idea of leaving a dog home a lone for that long gives me anxiety (not because I'm worried about mess) because I dont want them to feel abandoned. Hope I'm making sense.
Are you in the UK?
Have you thought about dog walkers or doggy day care?
Personally I would advise that getting a dog or puppy at this stage in your life is not a good idea. With travelling time you're out for 9 hours a day, then presumably asleep for another 8 hours.
Dogs like and need company.Puppies need frequent feeding ( 3 - 4 x day) and frequent trips outside for toilet training.
As far as adult rescues go I doubt you will find many that will rehome to you, a full time worker.
As for anxiety at the prospect of leaving a dog for 8 hours , I suffer anxiety leaving mine for up to 4 hours ! It's a legitimate concern, the RSPCA reccommend not leaving dogs home alone for more than 4 hours.
I agree with everything above, to me, having a dog is no different from having a child
They can be just as demanding, just as messy and demand just as much of your time. On the flip side, in our experience, once they have calmed and settled and you have a routine (just like kids) they repay your training efforts and attention many times over with affection and character
Ohh...be prepared to be eaten out of house and home!
edit: removed my comment after rethinking
I am dreaming of getting such a baby. in attachments
and I find this video very useful: dausel.co/Lms7cf
they talk about a puppy's depression, meal planning, also potential vet bills and just the things that you don't think before getting a pup.