[lauren001]

Can I ask, are most of these so called designer breeds first generation crosses?

Are they from people who own a Beagle and a Pug or a Labrador and a Poodle and calling the puppies Puggles and Labradoodles?

If so that is not a breeder, that is not a breed development program or anything apart from a money making scam breeding essentially mongrels.

 

[Guest]

Can I ask, are most of these so called designer breeds first generation crosses?

Are they from poeple who own a Beagle and a Pug or a Labrador and a Poodle and calling the puppies Puggles and Labradoodles?

If so that is not a breeder, that is not a breed development program or anything apart from a money making scam breeding essentially mongrels.

Yep.

We have some puppy farmers here who breed what they like to call second and third generation crosses, but they are just breeding crossbreed to crossbreed without any thought to type and no long term breeding plan.

Even the "labradoodle" breeding standard leaves room for any coat type, colour, size, shape etc. Bred since the 70s and they still can't breed with any predictability.

 

[Colsy]

Yep.

We have some puppy farmers here who breed what they like to call second and third generation crosses, but they are just breeding crossbreed to crossbreed without any thought to type and no long term breeding plan.

Even the "labradoodle" breeding standard leaves room for any coat type, colour, size, shape etc. Bred since the 70s and they still can't breed with any predictability.

Think you maybe wrong there,sorry to correct you their are many good labradoodle breeder's in this Country also.
Just to point out as well not all PUPPY FARMER'S breed cross breeds.
I actually own Labradoodles and Goldendoodles.
I did not pay a vast amount for mine.
Some people do pay alot of money for this breed but that is fine too,they are more expensive as the good breeder's do all the health tests etc.
Many pedigree dogs can also cost a vast amount of money too.
But if you do your research as with any breed of dog there are good breeder's out there.
Good breeder'a nd bad breeder's in both pedigree and non pedigree dog world.

 

[Guest]

Think you maybe wrong there,sorry to correct you their are many good labradoodle breeder's in this Country also.
Just to point out as well not all PUPPY FARMER'S breed cross breeds.
I actually own Labradoodles and Goldendoodles.
I did not pay a vast amount for mine.
Some people do pay alot of money for this breed but that is fine too,they are more expensive as the good breeder's do all the health tests etc.
Many pedigree dogs can also cost a vast amount of money too.
But if you do your research as with any breed of dog there are good breeder's out there.
Good breeder'a nd bad breeder's in both pedigree and non pedigree dog world.

I didn't say all crossbreeders are puppy farmers. Or that puppy farmers only breed crossbreeds

I said there are puppy farmers here who claim to be breeding past first generation crosses.

There are many reasons why I prefer purebred dogs over crossbreeds, namely that I know what kind of dog will suit my lifestyle and for that reason, I like purebreds for their predictability. I like researching to find a breed suited to me and knowing what I am getting in type, size, conformation, temperament, coat type, drive etc. You don't get that with crossbreeds which is why they are not for me.

I don't really care what dogs you own - just as I'm sure you don't care what dogs I own I don't agree with intentional crossbreeding and I hate seeing my breeds ruined by people who don't care about them, be that backyard breeders breeding unregistered "purebreds", dodgy registered breeders or people who use them in crossbreeding.

I've thoroughly read the "labradoodle" breed standard and it allows for any size, coat type, colour, build etc. You can argue all you like, but the fact is that even after thirty odd years they are still not breeding to type. Some people may not mind getting a dog that is essentially a genetic lottery, but it's not my cup of tea.

 

[Rox]

This was taken from there website regarding new puppies,
They will be vet checked , insured , microchipped ,and have a 14 day warranty,why different prices for different coloured pups,do they cost more to rear ?

Any breeder worth their salt charges price on the quality of the litter produced,not because of their colour,or they are rare,any breeder that does this would be best avoided in my opinion.
Sorry this sets alarm bells ringing for me.

the couloured ones are the 2nd gen, hence why they they must be coming down in price.

My point of the post was to give a view of what a puggle is actualy like from experiance, not just coming up with theorys.

We did alot of research into puppy farms etc and are very much against it. I've seen this place and would recommend it if you want a decent puggle. They care alot for the breed and are against people just breeding them for the sake of it, there has been alot of thought put into it.

I don't really like the label "designer" but thats more of a media term, they call them designer because people want them. I think thats were alot of the hate comes from for these breeds. At the end of the day, everyone has a dessginer dog in one form, they are all cross breeds and bred for a purpose.

didn't want to offend anyone, just thought i would talk from experiance rather than a quick "google"

 

[Linny Buffy & Spike]

I've read some good/some bad info on puggles (pug x beagle)

Just wondered if anyone owns a puggle, what are they like as a family pet and what's the general view on puggles?

Hi,

We have a great little Puggle named Baz at our local park. He's a terrific little guy, and he won quite a few ribbons in agility. He loves playing fetch, and is very social - he runs around the dog park making sure he says hi to everyone! He doesn't seem to have any of the breathing difficulties that some pugs have, either.

There are quite a few Puggle forums, clubs and message boards, particularly in the US, so if you Google them you'll probably get more information from people who are actually familiar with Puggles. Unfortunately most people here would never have even met one

Best wishes,
Linny

 

[Guest]

At the end of the day, everyone has a dessginer dog in one form, they are all cross breeds and bred for a purpose.

I don't mean to offend, just a curious question, but what purpose does the Puggle have?

 

[Guest]

Unfortunately most people here would never have even met one

I've met a few... and they did have breathing problems, as their face was just like a Pugs? As someone said, I don't think there's a set look for the dog is there? They're all different?

 

[catz4m8z]

He he, I havent read all this thread but I have to say if you want a puggle get a puggle! Just take usual puppy buying precautions, so healthy pups, and meet as many members of the pups family as possible to give you an idea as to temperament.
Both breeds are fun, beagles deaf ear and occassional stubborness seem to be the only temperament flaws of both breeds and crossing can reduce the physical flaws of the pug. I also like the fact that puggles closely resemble what pugs looked like a hundred or so years ago before they were ruined.
Get one and post lots of pics please!!

 

[Guest]

the couloured ones are the 2nd gen, hence why they they must be coming down in price.

My point of the post was to give a view of what a puggle is actualy like from experiance, not just coming up with theorys.

We did alot of research into puppy farms etc and are very much against it. I've seen this place and would recommend it if you want a decent puggle. They care alot for the breed and are against people just breeding them for the sake of it, there has been alot of thought put into it.

I don't really like the label "designer" but thats more of a media term, they call them designer because people want them. I think thats were alot of the hate comes from for these breeds. At the end of the day, everyone has a dessginer dog in one form, they are all cross breeds and bred for a purpose.

didn't want to offend anyone, just thought i would talk from experiance rather than a quick "google"

Thanks for posting your experience,I am sure you love your dog and it was your choice to choose the breeder you did.
However as I previously stated,alarm bells would have been ringing for me,this kennel is licensed by the LA which means nothing to me as Puppy Farmers are also licensed by the LA,they have alot of dogs at stud, and seem to be breeding an awful lot of pups and as for the warrenty ?!? They are selling a puppy,a live animal not a flamin appliance! :incazzato:

Sorry not a breeder I would choose.

 

[Guest]

At the end of the day, everyone has a dessginer dog in one form, they are all cross breeds and bred for a purpose.

What purpose does a Puggle have?

And no, the breeds I own certainly aren't crossbreeds. I certainly wouldn't call a breed that has been recognised for hundreds of years a crossbreed. One of my breeds is actually one of 14 Ancient breeds who evolved naturally and was further developed in later centuries as a working breed.

Hi,

Unfortunately most people here would never have even met one

Unfortunately I have met pug/beagle crosses, as well as a variety of other designer mutts. The pug/beagle crosses I have come into contact with have been hyper active, with breathing issues, and much more than their owner bargained for.

 

[Rox]

I don't mean to offend, just a curious question, but what purpose does the Puggle have?

basicly, if you go back further, pug were bred to be conpanion dogs (cuddly etc) and beagles to be hunters (energetic). A very experianced breeder of both breeds thought the temproment of qualitys of both breeds would make the perfect family pet. I would have to agree with

 

[Guest]

Thanks for posting your experience,I am sure you love your dog and it was your choice to choose the breeder you did.
However as I previously stated,alarm bells would have been ringing for me,this kennel is licensed by the LA which means nothing to me as Puppy Farmers are also licensed by the LA,they have alot of dogs at stud, and seem to be breeding an awful lot of pups and as for the warrenty ?!? They are selling a puppy,a live animal not a flamin appliance! :incazzato:

LOL sallyanne - I can't even think of an appliance that only comes with a 14 day guarantee!! Unbelievable. Both my purebred dogs came with lifetime support and health guarantees from their breeders. I would expect no less!

He he, I havent read all this thread but I have to say if you want a puggle get a puggle! Just take usual puppy buying precautions, so healthy pups, and meet as many members of the pups family as possible to give you an idea as to temperament.
Both breeds are fun, beagles deaf ear and occassional stubborness seem to be the only temperament flaws of both breeds and crossing can reduce the physical flaws of the pug. I also like the fact that puggles closely resemble what pugs looked like a hundred or so years ago before they were ruined.
Get one and post lots of pics please!!

You can't 'get an idea of temperament' with a crossbreed. It could take on either characteristics of its parent breeds, which means that a "puggle" can and still does have the facial construction of a pug.

Not to mention the health problems like joint issues that you run into when you cross two breeds of completely different size and structure.

I'm sure pug owners would be incredibly offended by your comment that their breed is "ruined". I know quite a few pugs, including breeders, who own happy, healthy and absolutely lovely little pugs. I know of one who is an obedience and agility champion too.

 

[Guest]

basicly, if you go back further, pug were bred to be conpanion dogs (cuddly etc) and beagles to be hunters (energetic). A very experianced breeder of both breeds thought the temproment of qualitys of both breeds would make the perfect family pet. I would have to agree with

They can't be that experienced if they think that crossing the two breeds would be the right thing to do!

Why would you cross a dog who is bred to be a companion lap dog with a high energy, high drive working breed? The mind boggles.

 

[Rox]

Unfortunately I have met pug/beagle crosses, as well as a variety of other designer mutts. The pug/beagle crosses I have come into contact with have been hyper active, with breathing issues, and much more than their owner bargained for.

Intresting, never spoken to a owner of a true puggle or spoken to a vet who has come accross one with breathing problems. However it goes to show you need to go to a good breeder.

Would agree they do have energy, but not hard to handle like a beagle could be to a unexperianced owner. I think the puggles enery is a great plus! again goes back to what you like :smile5:

 

[Guest]

basicly, if you go back further, pug were bred to be conpanion dogs (cuddly etc) and beagles to be hunters (energetic). A very experianced breeder of both breeds thought the temproment of qualitys of both breeds would make the perfect family pet. I would have to agree with

I disagree,a responsible ethical breeder would not cross two very different breeds.
What about the faults of both breeds,do they not enter into it,do pups only take on the plus points of each breed ?

 

[Colsy]

I didn't say all crossbreeders are puppy farmers. Or that puppy farmers only breed crossbreeds

I said there are puppy farmers here who claim to be breeding past first generation crosses.

There are many reasons why I prefer purebred dogs over crossbreeds, namely that I know what kind of dog will suit my lifestyle and for that reason, I like purebreds for their predictability. I like researching to find a breed suited to me and knowing what I am getting in type, size, conformation, temperament, coat type, drive etc. You don't get that with crossbreeds which is why they are not for me.

I don't really care what dogs you own - just as I'm sure you don't care what dogs I own I don't agree with intentional crossbreeding and I hate seeing my breeds ruined by people who don't care about them, be that backyard breeders breeding unregistered "purebreds", dodgy registered breeders or people who use them in crossbreeding.

I've thoroughly read the "labradoodle" breed standard and it allows for any size, coat type, colour, build etc. You can argue all you like, but the fact is that even after thirty odd years they are still not breeding to type. Some people may not mind getting a dog that is essentially a genetic lottery, but it's not my cup of tea.

I bet you have read alot about labradoodles?
I know a few people who have done there research into them,but still are very uneducated about the breed.
Every breed starts somewhere so give them a chance as well.
What dogs have you got ?
Didn't they start somewhere.
Many breeders of all dogs are still trying to get breeds in tip top shape,and it will continue thats why you breed dogs.
Yes there are backyard breeders out there and puppy farmers but not all have crossbreeds,many types of dog breeds i do believe.
I know many Standard Poodle owners who take back hander's to breed Labradoodles then go on other forums and slate them.
Take the money and run.:001_tt2:
I do not think thats right either.
You might as well just leave the cross breed dogs alone as they are here to stay.
No matter what silly names people give them.

 

[Rox]

They can't be that experienced if they think that crossing the two breeds would be the right thing to do!

Why would you cross a dog who is bred to be a companion lap dog with a high energy, high drive working breed? The mind boggles.

To get the best of both breeds, it works :wink:

why would you keep breeding a dog to get the perfect one to show? without the personality

 

[Guest]

Intresting, never spoken to a owner of a true puggle or spoken to a vet who has come accross one with breathing problems. However it goes to show you need to go to a good breeder.

Would agree they do have energy, but not hard to handle like a beagle could be to a unexperianced owner. I think the puggles enery is a great plus! again goes back to what you like :smile5:

I love the energy my beagle has, it is what makes her such a great dog!

How could a breed be able to predict what type of facial or muzzle structure their pups have? If pugs have problems, and they are breeding from pugs, how can they possibly prevent the pups from carrying the same issues? I mean, they can't control genetics, right?

It is the same with the often touted difficult to handle aspect of a beagle. If a beagle is hard to handle (for example, stubborn, which I believe pugs are too) what is to stop pups from having the same temperament or drive? It's not like you can pick and chose which genetic traits you want the pups to have. Crossbreeding is a genetic lottery.

ETA: And what is a "true" Puggle?

 

[Guest]

To get the best of both breeds, it works :wink:

why would you keep breeding a dog to get the perfect one to show? without the personality

LOL, Sorry Rox, have crossbreeders found a magical way to control genetics?

What makes you think all purebred dogs are bred for showing and showing only? My beagle came from a registered breeder who shows her dogs, she has been breeding for thirty years. She breeds for health, temperament and conformation - it is about a combination of traits, as you are breeding to a breed standard - that is what makes purebred predictable.

My beagle has tons of personality and more, thank you She is everything a beagle should be, to quote the breed standard, she is a merry little hound And it just so happens that she has great conformation and pedigree papers too.