I don't mean to offend, just a curious question, but what purpose does the Puggle have?

basicly, if you go back further, pug were bred to be conpanion dogs (cuddly etc) and beagles to be hunters (energetic). A very experianced breeder of both breeds thought the temproment of qualitys of both breeds would make the perfect family pet. I would have to agree with

 

Thanks for posting your experience,I am sure you love your dog and it was your choice to choose the breeder you did.
However as I previously stated,alarm bells would have been ringing for me,this kennel is licensed by the LA which means nothing to me as Puppy Farmers are also licensed by the LA,they have alot of dogs at stud, and seem to be breeding an awful lot of pups and as for the warrenty ?!? They are selling a puppy,a live animal not a flamin appliance! :incazzato:

LOL sallyanne - I can't even think of an appliance that only comes with a 14 day guarantee!! Unbelievable. Both my purebred dogs came with lifetime support and health guarantees from their breeders. I would expect no less!

He he, I havent read all this thread but I have to say if you want a puggle get a puggle! Just take usual puppy buying precautions, so healthy pups, and meet as many members of the pups family as possible to give you an idea as to temperament.
Both breeds are fun, beagles deaf ear and occassional stubborness seem to be the only temperament flaws of both breeds and crossing can reduce the physical flaws of the pug. I also like the fact that puggles closely resemble what pugs looked like a hundred or so years ago before they were ruined.
Get one and post lots of pics please!!

You can't 'get an idea of temperament' with a crossbreed. It could take on either characteristics of its parent breeds, which means that a "puggle" can and still does have the facial construction of a pug.

Not to mention the health problems like joint issues that you run into when you cross two breeds of completely different size and structure.

I'm sure pug owners would be incredibly offended by your comment that their breed is "ruined". I know quite a few pugs, including breeders, who own happy, healthy and absolutely lovely little pugs. I know of one who is an obedience and agility champion too.

 

basicly, if you go back further, pug were bred to be conpanion dogs (cuddly etc) and beagles to be hunters (energetic). A very experianced breeder of both breeds thought the temproment of qualitys of both breeds would make the perfect family pet. I would have to agree with

They can't be that experienced if they think that crossing the two breeds would be the right thing to do!

Why would you cross a dog who is bred to be a companion lap dog with a high energy, high drive working breed? The mind boggles.

 

Unfortunately I have met pug/beagle crosses, as well as a variety of other designer mutts. The pug/beagle crosses I have come into contact with have been hyper active, with breathing issues, and much more than their owner bargained for.

Intresting, never spoken to a owner of a true puggle or spoken to a vet who has come accross one with breathing problems. However it goes to show you need to go to a good breeder.

Would agree they do have energy, but not hard to handle like a beagle could be to a unexperianced owner. I think the puggles enery is a great plus! again goes back to what you like :smile5:

 

basicly, if you go back further, pug were bred to be conpanion dogs (cuddly etc) and beagles to be hunters (energetic). A very experianced breeder of both breeds thought the temproment of qualitys of both breeds would make the perfect family pet. I would have to agree with

I disagree,a responsible ethical breeder would not cross two very different breeds.
What about the faults of both breeds,do they not enter into it,do pups only take on the plus points of each breed ?

 

I didn't say all crossbreeders are puppy farmers. Or that puppy farmers only breed crossbreeds

I said there are puppy farmers here who claim to be breeding past first generation crosses.

There are many reasons why I prefer purebred dogs over crossbreeds, namely that I know what kind of dog will suit my lifestyle and for that reason, I like purebreds for their predictability. I like researching to find a breed suited to me and knowing what I am getting in type, size, conformation, temperament, coat type, drive etc. You don't get that with crossbreeds which is why they are not for me.

I don't really care what dogs you own - just as I'm sure you don't care what dogs I own I don't agree with intentional crossbreeding and I hate seeing my breeds ruined by people who don't care about them, be that backyard breeders breeding unregistered "purebreds", dodgy registered breeders or people who use them in crossbreeding.

I've thoroughly read the "labradoodle" breed standard and it allows for any size, coat type, colour, build etc. You can argue all you like, but the fact is that even after thirty odd years they are still not breeding to type. Some people may not mind getting a dog that is essentially a genetic lottery, but it's not my cup of tea.

I bet you have read alot about labradoodles?
I know a few people who have done there research into them,but still are very uneducated about the breed.
Every breed starts somewhere so give them a chance as well.
What dogs have you got ?
Didn't they start somewhere.
Many breeders of all dogs are still trying to get breeds in tip top shape,and it will continue thats why you breed dogs.
Yes there are backyard breeders out there and puppy farmers but not all have crossbreeds,many types of dog breeds i do believe.
I know many Standard Poodle owners who take back hander's to breed Labradoodles then go on other forums and slate them.
Take the money and run.:001_tt2:
I do not think thats right either.
You might as well just leave the cross breed dogs alone as they are here to stay.
No matter what silly names people give them.

 

They can't be that experienced if they think that crossing the two breeds would be the right thing to do!

Why would you cross a dog who is bred to be a companion lap dog with a high energy, high drive working breed? The mind boggles.

To get the best of both breeds, it works :wink:

why would you keep breeding a dog to get the perfect one to show? without the personality

 

Intresting, never spoken to a owner of a true puggle or spoken to a vet who has come accross one with breathing problems. However it goes to show you need to go to a good breeder.

Would agree they do have energy, but not hard to handle like a beagle could be to a unexperianced owner. I think the puggles enery is a great plus! again goes back to what you like :smile5:

I love the energy my beagle has, it is what makes her such a great dog!

How could a breed be able to predict what type of facial or muzzle structure their pups have? If pugs have problems, and they are breeding from pugs, how can they possibly prevent the pups from carrying the same issues? I mean, they can't control genetics, right?

It is the same with the often touted difficult to handle aspect of a beagle. If a beagle is hard to handle (for example, stubborn, which I believe pugs are too) what is to stop pups from having the same temperament or drive? It's not like you can pick and chose which genetic traits you want the pups to have. Crossbreeding is a genetic lottery.

ETA: And what is a "true" Puggle?

 

To get the best of both breeds, it works :wink:

why would you keep breeding a dog to get the perfect one to show? without the personality

LOL, Sorry Rox, have crossbreeders found a magical way to control genetics?

What makes you think all purebred dogs are bred for showing and showing only? My beagle came from a registered breeder who shows her dogs, she has been breeding for thirty years. She breeds for health, temperament and conformation - it is about a combination of traits, as you are breeding to a breed standard - that is what makes purebred predictable.

My beagle has tons of personality and more, thank you She is everything a beagle should be, to quote the breed standard, she is a merry little hound And it just so happens that she has great conformation and pedigree papers too.

 

I love the energy my beagle has, it is what makes her such a great dog!

How could a breed be able to predict what type of facial or muzzle structure their pups have? If pugs have problems, and they are breeding from pugs, how can they possibly prevent the pups from carrying the same issues? I mean, they can't control genetics, right?

It is the same with the often touted difficult to handle aspect of a beagle. If a beagle is hard to handle (for example, stubborn, which I believe pugs are too) what is to stop pups from having the same temperament or drive? It's not like you can pick and chose which genetic traits you want the pups to have. Crossbreeding is a genetic lottery.

ETA: And what is a "true" Puggle?

well i'm no expert in genetics, however every puggle owner i've spoken to and read, they all have the same traits. It must work, they have been doing it in the US for over 25 years now. I totaly agree they can look slightly different but thats what makes them unique, all humans don't look alike!

I totaly understand how it upset some people, epecialy breeders themselfs, my point is the pug/beagle cross isn't a bad one.

 

My beagle has tons of personality and more, thank you She is everything a beagle should be, to quote the breed standard, she is a merry little hound And it just so happens that she has great conformation and pedigree papers too.

totaly agree more i really wanted one myself.

you got to start somewhere though

 

I love the energy my beagle has, it is what makes her such a great dog!

How could a breed be able to predict what type of facial or muzzle structure their pups have? If pugs have problems, and they are breeding from pugs, how can they possibly prevent the pups from carrying the same issues? I mean, they can't control genetics, right?

It is the same with the often touted difficult to handle aspect of a beagle. If a beagle is hard to handle (for example, stubborn, which I believe pugs are too) what is to stop pups from having the same temperament or drive? It's not like you can pick and chose which genetic traits you want the pups to have. Crossbreeding is a genetic lottery.

ETA: And what is a "true" Puggle?

I agree that crossbreeding is a lottery,you simply don't know what traits,positives and negatives these pups will take on.
And yes they will take on negatives too,we can't control genetics and until such a litter is produced and bred true to type over many generations you simply can't say they will take the temprement of the Sire and health from Dam,that is absolutely pants!

 

well i'm no expert in genetics, however every puggle owner i've spoken to and read, they all have the same traits. It must work, they have been doing it in the US for over 25 years now. I totaly agree they can look slightly different but thats what makes them unique, all humans don't look alike!

I totaly understand how it upset some people, epecialy breeders themselfs, my point is the pug/beagle cross isn't a bad one.

How can they all have the same traits if they look different? I have met a few and not one of them looked the same, or had the same drive, temperament, structure etc.

My point is that I hate seeing my breed ruined by people who don't give a crap about them Breeders of beagles breed them for the love and the betterment of the breed. Ask any beagle breeder - they will tell you that you can't get a better dog! Of course, they are biased, and will turn potential puppy buyers away if they feel a beagle won't suit them. They would never dream of crossing beags with something else to make it "better" - they are what they are and they love them for it!

Why can't we just leave our breeds the way they are? If I didn't like certain traits about a breed, I wouldn't get one, and I certainly wouldn't dream of buying a cross between it and another breed... what if the very traits I didn't like ended up in my puppy? You cannot control genetics, which is why crossbreeding is a genetic gamble. I wouldn't gamble on a cross on the notion that I will magically get the best of both breeds as you have no way of knowing if that is what you will actually end up with.

 

Its the same old thing again on this thread.
Some Pedigree peeps not liking crossbreeds.
I get the same with Poodle Breeder's about our Labradoodles.
Think its because they are worried about their breed's.
Which is fine,but i think there is room enough in this large world for all.
Just as long as everything is done correctly with breeding whats the problem?
Their have been crossbreed dogs since the year dot.
Ok they have not had all the silly names but i bet the Puggle was about then?
Same as the Labradoodle.
Most people buy the dogs they want and like.
By the way i am a crossbreed is their room for me in this world.

 

A very experianced breeder of both breeds thought the temproment of qualitys of both breeds would make the perfect family pet

or thought they might make a packet more like

have crossbreeders found a magical way to control genetics?

That's it...smeagle you're a genius..... It's a question I have pondered long and hard over.... How do designer cross breeders manage to control what genes from their different breeds are reproduced in order to substantiate the claims they make? Short of having a laboratory of genetic engineers at their disposal, which would cost such huge sums that even with their current extortionate price tags they would never cover the cost, I've not been able to come up with an answer.

But you have.. they use magic

 

I don't mind designer breeds but pugs are pretty sick dogs from what I can gather and theres no guarantee that the beagle is going to cancel out the bad genes and you could end up with the worst of both breeds.

 

I totaly understand how it upset some people, epecialy breeders themselfs, my point is the pug/beagle cross isn't a bad one.

That's your opinion,the pug is known to have back problems so we mate with a taller dog,increasing the risk of spinal problems,beacuse of construction problems,i.e short legs but larger body etc.....

Good responsible breeders will never justify a good reason to be breeding two very different breeds,
Pug breeders are not happy about the indiscriminate breeding of them nor are Beagle Breeders.

 

All dogs were cross somewhere down the line years back.
If you want a pure breed get a wolf.

 

I know that they're all mixes but they were generally bred for a purpose puggles have no discernible function that I can gather.

 

Its the same old thing again on this thread.
Some Pedigree peeps not liking crossbreeds.
I get the same with Poodle Breeder's about our Labradoodles.
Think its because they are worried about their breed's.
Which is fine,but i think there is room enough in this large world for all.
Just as long as everything is done correctly with breeding whats the problem?
Their have been crossbreed dogs since the year dot.
Ok they have not had all the silly names but i bet the Puggle was about then?
Same as the Labradoodle.
Most people buy the dogs they want and like.
By the way i am a crossbreed is their room for me in this world.

Damn right I am worried about my breed!

I am incredibly worried about what careless breeders are doing to it. I worry about backyard breeders, dodgy registered breeders and crossbreeders who want to change the dogs we love so much for no reason beyond "we'll magically eliminate the things people hate about this breed!" or "the puppies will be really cute" or because they can make a quick buck out of crossing them with something else.

And worse of all, they sell them on to people who believe they have bought dogs that are some superior to their parent breeds, that they are better, or less prone to "undesirable" traits scenting or stubbornness. It's that magic again

For the record - why on earth would anyone want a beagle who didn't want to scent? Or who wasn't a typical, stubborn hound? If they were after a dog who didn't have those traits then they better start looking at other breeds, because it is those very traits that I LOVE about beagles and that makes them... well, beagles!

BTW - I own a crossbreed dog. She has various health issues, but I love her, and I think she is wonderful. Would I buy one again though? No, they aren't for me, and neither are the people who breed them.

 

All dogs were cross somewhere down the line years back.
If you want a pure breed get a wolf.

Yes they were but alot more though went into it back then,now it's a case of throw two dogs together,create a silly name and hey presto,a rare breed with only the postive traits of both dogs appearing, and making the breeder a small fortune, How fantastic!

Lets hope that they don't suffer the same fate as many other breeds do and that they don't suffer the anguish of going through a very overstretched rescue system when they don't turn out as they were supposed to,or have undesirable traits.

 

All dogs were cross somewhere down the line years back.
If you want a pure breed get a wolf.

LOL - did you see my previous post that addressed this very issue?

One of my breeds is one of 14 Ancient breeders that evolved naturally, and were further developed down the track to suit a specific working purpose.

My other breed - Beagles - might have been crossed with a couple of other working scent hounds, initially, but I would hardly call a breed that has been recognised and working for hundreds of years a crossbreed.

The developement of the purebred we have today was nothing like the intentional designer mutt crossbreeding that is so prolific at the moment.

 

Same as I said they crossed good gundogs to make a better one, good herding dogs to make better ones etc. Some of the crosses today were the same labradoodles good working dogs that don't shed, sprockers combining the best of the breeds to make a good gun dog. Picking two random breeds and throwing them together I'm not big on especially if you're talking about such sick breeds like pugs. But if they're all health tested with a responsible breeder and the mix is going to be reasonably healthy I don't mind

 

Genetically, most breeds are miles apart, even if you just look at size, you have mismatch to start off with in Puggles.

Many traits are polygenetic, they have been selected for for years, in breeds. By mating to another breed you are unravelling those selected traits. It is therefore very difficult or almost impossible to gain some sort of breed identity or uniformity, as you are getting a huge mix of all the traits. Even in one litter all dogs could potentially look different and grow up into hugely different looking dogs. Add to that the quite odd looking often sub standard "pedigree" dogs used often by BYB to make these crosses, then it is essentially a mess.
If, of course there was some sort of control then you could have a proper breed standard and those that fell out with it would be removed from breeding and eventually you would get a "proper" breed.

Many working dogs evolved into breeds as the work dictated the dogs they needed. No point in having a very short legged collie who couldn't run all day, or a long legged Jack Russell who couldn't get down a rabbit hole, or a 30Kg lap dog.

These new "breeds", appear in the main to have little restraint. They are on to a "winner" because all puppies are cute and most dogs are fantastic pets, no matter what their breeding.

The whole point of having a pedigree dog is to have uniformity so that you know almost exactly what it will grow into, with these new "cross -breeds" you can never be certain at all.

 

All dogs were cross somewhere down the line years back.
If you want a pure breed get a wolf.

The point is that breeds were developed with a function in mind and a clear aim of what they wanted to end up with and reasons why. They weren't simply put together because it was thought it would make a nice mix for a pet

I know that they're all mixes but they were generally bred for a purpose puggles have no discernible function that I can gather.

There isn't one except to be a pet in our fashion consious, 'must have something different' society.

I find it interesting that those dogs that are deliberately bred for a geniune reason, ie lab/golden for blind/assistance, lurchers etc. are not amongst the popular designer breeds bred as pets.