fair enough, if we all had the same taste we would all have the same dog!

That did go through i minds, it take about 3 or 4 generations to establish the breed really, don't quote me on that though.

They have been breeding Puggles I believe in the USA for quite a few years now so you would think a type would have been established

 

I'm not one for all these fancy cross breeds but I seriously LOVE pugles, I love beagless also and don't much like pugs but puggles I have to say I would defitnly have one. That is ONLY from a rescue, I would not buy one personally but if I saw one needing a home i'd have it in a heartbeat

 

Forgive me but I'm not actually jumping for joy about these breeders,they are licensed by the LA which means they breed an awful lot of litter's.

This was taken from there website regarding new puppies,
They will be vet checked , insured , microchipped ,and have a 14 day warranty,why different prices for different coloured pups,do they cost more to rear ?

Any breeder worth their salt charges price on the quality of the litter produced,not because of their colour,or they are rare,any breeder that does this would be best avoided in my opinion.
Sorry this sets alarm bells ringing for me.

 

Am I the only person who doesn't think they are cute?

No you're not.

With all these deliberate crossbreeds, I see the original breed and think what a disaster it is.

As my breed is the labrador, I cannot look at a labradoodle without seeing the labrador there and thinking what a terrible thing to do to a labrador which is already a wonderful breed. So sad - to me it's a travesty.

 

After a little digging these breeders breed wait for it.......

Labradoodles,Cockerpoo's,Goldendoodles,Puggles,Cocker Spaniels,Labradors,Beagles......

7 Different breeds,Mmmmmm,the mind boggles.....seems they are cashing in on the crossbreeds,not in it for the money,my a**e there not!

 

And stud dog's they have,

4 Labs standing at stud,
3 Cocker Spaniels,
1 Poodle,
1 Westie,
1 Golden Retriever,

So In total 10 dogs at stud.

 

No you're not.

With all these deliberate crossbreeds, I see the original dog and think what a disaster it is.

As my breed is the labrador, I cannot look at a labradoodle without seeing the labrador there and thinking what a terrible thing to do to a labrador which is already a wonderful breed. So sad - to me it's a travesty.

I couldnt agree more!!
I love beagles, they are perfect in their own way...why mix them up with pugs???? :cursing:

 

I couldnt agree more!!
I love beagles, they are perfect in their own way...why mix them up with pugs???? :cursing:

Simple answer MONEY,these breeders are charging £1200 per pup

 

Had a look at the pics on the testimonials section of the "Puggles r us" and really cant say I like it..really just a pug face on a beagle's body replace it with a beagle's face and its instantly SO MUCH BETTER lol

 

Simple answer MONEY,these breeders are charging £1200 per pup

What I don't understand is why anyone would cross a dog prone to breathing difficulties with a dog that likes to run and run and run. Genetics doesn't work by producing only the best aspects of parents, it can also produce the worst. How many people have been fooled into thinking their labradoodle is non shedding. How long is it before the general public wake up to the spurious claims these designer cross breed breeders make.

 

Forgive me but I'm not actually jumping for joy about these breeders,they are licensed by the LA which means they breed an awful lot of litter's.

This was taken from there website regarding new puppies,
They will be vet checked , insured , microchipped ,and have a 14 day warranty,why different prices for different coloured pups,do they cost more to rear ?

Any breeder worth their salt charges price on the quality of the litter produced,not because of their colour,or they are rare,any breeder that does this would be best avoided in my opinion.
Sorry this sets alarm bells ringing for me.

absolutely agree with you Sal! x

 

What I don't understand is why anyone would cross a dog prone to breathing difficulties with a dog that likes to run and run and run. Genetics doesn't work by producing only the best aspects of parents, it can also produce the worst. How many people have been fooled into thinking their labradoodle is non shedding. How long is it before the general public wake up to the spurious claims these designer cross breed breeders make.

Exactly,which tells me that these Breeders don't actually have a clue about basic genetics.
Yes they may be show people whose dogs are Hip Scored and alike,however I'm not actually sure I would class these breeder's as responsible,testing in my opinion is only a small part of been responsible and churning out litter after litter,claiming they don't have any hidden faults and with a 14 day warrenty sets alarm bells going for me,also the amount of dogs they actually own,stud and breed from,this is more like a puppy factory/mill in my opinion.

 

The breeders live not far froom me and do not have a good reputation.

Three of their breeding (not puggles, but 2 Beagles and a Labradoodle) lived near by - and if that is representative of the quality of their dogs I would not touch them.

I would not trust any breeder that had a silly name for their website like Puggles-r-us......it just shows they are a commercial enterprise

 

I couldnt agree more!!
I love beagles, they are perfect in their own way...why mix them up with pugs???? :cursing:

Exactly how I feel about it (I own a beagle).

I look at the huge difference between the two breeds and it makes me shudder to think of crossing them.

A beagle is a working dog bred to scent above anything, they are high drive dogs and of very different build and structure to a pug (different size wise too).

A pug is the complete opposite - can you imagine a dog with a pug muzzle, but with a beagle's urge and natural instinct to scent? How confused would that poor bloody dog be?!? Not to mention the huge structural differences between each breed and the health problems that can occur because of these structure differences.

I am 110% completely against designer dog breeding and intentional crossbreeding, it kills me to see beagle crosses advertised and the main selling point being that crossing them makes them less prone to scenting, easier to manage etc. How can anyone guarantee what genetics each pup will have? And if you don't want a dog that scents, is a bit of a challenge training wise, is a typical stubborn hound - why would you even consider a beagle cross?

 

Can I ask, are most of these so called designer breeds first generation crosses?

Are they from people who own a Beagle and a Pug or a Labrador and a Poodle and calling the puppies Puggles and Labradoodles?

If so that is not a breeder, that is not a breed development program or anything apart from a money making scam breeding essentially mongrels.

 

Can I ask, are most of these so called designer breeds first generation crosses?

Are they from poeple who own a Beagle and a Pug or a Labrador and a Poodle and calling the puppies Puggles and Labradoodles?

If so that is not a breeder, that is not a breed development program or anything apart from a money making scam breeding essentially mongrels.

Yep.

We have some puppy farmers here who breed what they like to call second and third generation crosses, but they are just breeding crossbreed to crossbreed without any thought to type and no long term breeding plan.

Even the "labradoodle" breeding standard leaves room for any coat type, colour, size, shape etc. Bred since the 70s and they still can't breed with any predictability.

 

Yep.

We have some puppy farmers here who breed what they like to call second and third generation crosses, but they are just breeding crossbreed to crossbreed without any thought to type and no long term breeding plan.

Even the "labradoodle" breeding standard leaves room for any coat type, colour, size, shape etc. Bred since the 70s and they still can't breed with any predictability.

Think you maybe wrong there,sorry to correct you their are many good labradoodle breeder's in this Country also.
Just to point out as well not all PUPPY FARMER'S breed cross breeds.
I actually own Labradoodles and Goldendoodles.
I did not pay a vast amount for mine.
Some people do pay alot of money for this breed but that is fine too,they are more expensive as the good breeder's do all the health tests etc.
Many pedigree dogs can also cost a vast amount of money too.
But if you do your research as with any breed of dog there are good breeder's out there.
Good breeder'a nd bad breeder's in both pedigree and non pedigree dog world.

 

Think you maybe wrong there,sorry to correct you their are many good labradoodle breeder's in this Country also.
Just to point out as well not all PUPPY FARMER'S breed cross breeds.
I actually own Labradoodles and Goldendoodles.
I did not pay a vast amount for mine.
Some people do pay alot of money for this breed but that is fine too,they are more expensive as the good breeder's do all the health tests etc.
Many pedigree dogs can also cost a vast amount of money too.
But if you do your research as with any breed of dog there are good breeder's out there.
Good breeder'a nd bad breeder's in both pedigree and non pedigree dog world.

I didn't say all crossbreeders are puppy farmers. Or that puppy farmers only breed crossbreeds

I said there are puppy farmers here who claim to be breeding past first generation crosses.

There are many reasons why I prefer purebred dogs over crossbreeds, namely that I know what kind of dog will suit my lifestyle and for that reason, I like purebreds for their predictability. I like researching to find a breed suited to me and knowing what I am getting in type, size, conformation, temperament, coat type, drive etc. You don't get that with crossbreeds which is why they are not for me.

I don't really care what dogs you own - just as I'm sure you don't care what dogs I own I don't agree with intentional crossbreeding and I hate seeing my breeds ruined by people who don't care about them, be that backyard breeders breeding unregistered "purebreds", dodgy registered breeders or people who use them in crossbreeding.

I've thoroughly read the "labradoodle" breed standard and it allows for any size, coat type, colour, build etc. You can argue all you like, but the fact is that even after thirty odd years they are still not breeding to type. Some people may not mind getting a dog that is essentially a genetic lottery, but it's not my cup of tea.

 

This was taken from there website regarding new puppies,
They will be vet checked , insured , microchipped ,and have a 14 day warranty,why different prices for different coloured pups,do they cost more to rear ?

Any breeder worth their salt charges price on the quality of the litter produced,not because of their colour,or they are rare,any breeder that does this would be best avoided in my opinion.
Sorry this sets alarm bells ringing for me.

the couloured ones are the 2nd gen, hence why they they must be coming down in price.

My point of the post was to give a view of what a puggle is actualy like from experiance, not just coming up with theorys.

We did alot of research into puppy farms etc and are very much against it. I've seen this place and would recommend it if you want a decent puggle. They care alot for the breed and are against people just breeding them for the sake of it, there has been alot of thought put into it.

I don't really like the label "designer" but thats more of a media term, they call them designer because people want them. I think thats were alot of the hate comes from for these breeds. At the end of the day, everyone has a dessginer dog in one form, they are all cross breeds and bred for a purpose.

didn't want to offend anyone, just thought i would talk from experiance rather than a quick "google"

 

Hi,

We have a great little Puggle named Baz at our local park. He's a terrific little guy, and he won quite a few ribbons in agility. He loves playing fetch, and is very social - he runs around the dog park making sure he says hi to everyone! He doesn't seem to have any of the breathing difficulties that some pugs have, either.

There are quite a few Puggle forums, clubs and message boards, particularly in the US, so if you Google them you'll probably get more information from people who are actually familiar with Puggles. Unfortunately most people here would never have even met one

Best wishes,
Linny

 

At the end of the day, everyone has a dessginer dog in one form, they are all cross breeds and bred for a purpose.

I don't mean to offend, just a curious question, but what purpose does the Puggle have?

 

Unfortunately most people here would never have even met one

I've met a few... and they did have breathing problems, as their face was just like a Pugs? As someone said, I don't think there's a set look for the dog is there? They're all different?

 

He he, I havent read all this thread but I have to say if you want a puggle get a puggle! Just take usual puppy buying precautions, so healthy pups, and meet as many members of the pups family as possible to give you an idea as to temperament.
Both breeds are fun, beagles deaf ear and occassional stubborness seem to be the only temperament flaws of both breeds and crossing can reduce the physical flaws of the pug. I also like the fact that puggles closely resemble what pugs looked like a hundred or so years ago before they were ruined.
Get one and post lots of pics please!!

 

the couloured ones are the 2nd gen, hence why they they must be coming down in price.

My point of the post was to give a view of what a puggle is actualy like from experiance, not just coming up with theorys.

We did alot of research into puppy farms etc and are very much against it. I've seen this place and would recommend it if you want a decent puggle. They care alot for the breed and are against people just breeding them for the sake of it, there has been alot of thought put into it.

I don't really like the label "designer" but thats more of a media term, they call them designer because people want them. I think thats were alot of the hate comes from for these breeds. At the end of the day, everyone has a dessginer dog in one form, they are all cross breeds and bred for a purpose.

didn't want to offend anyone, just thought i would talk from experiance rather than a quick "google"

Thanks for posting your experience,I am sure you love your dog and it was your choice to choose the breeder you did.
However as I previously stated,alarm bells would have been ringing for me,this kennel is licensed by the LA which means nothing to me as Puppy Farmers are also licensed by the LA,they have alot of dogs at stud, and seem to be breeding an awful lot of pups and as for the warrenty ?!? They are selling a puppy,a live animal not a flamin appliance! :incazzato:

Sorry not a breeder I would choose.

 

At the end of the day, everyone has a dessginer dog in one form, they are all cross breeds and bred for a purpose.

What purpose does a Puggle have?

And no, the breeds I own certainly aren't crossbreeds. I certainly wouldn't call a breed that has been recognised for hundreds of years a crossbreed. One of my breeds is actually one of 14 Ancient breeds who evolved naturally and was further developed in later centuries as a working breed.

Hi,

Unfortunately most people here would never have even met one

Unfortunately I have met pug/beagle crosses, as well as a variety of other designer mutts. The pug/beagle crosses I have come into contact with have been hyper active, with breathing issues, and much more than their owner bargained for.