My back has been very dodgy for the past week so I decided that my dogs would have to hand me their toys instead of me picking them up to throw on their walks. All three dogs have been very successful at competitive obedience and know the retrieve exercise very well (or should do). I instigated the new regime three days ago and with the youngster and the old gal it was no problem, in fact by their afternoon walk they were volunteering their toys without me saying a word but.... then there was Leafy: The conversation went something like this: Attempt 1 "Leafy hold" Her response: "Hold, no sorry I haven't the faintest idea what you mean". Attempt 2 "Leafy hold" pointing to the toy. Her response: "What!! Look just throw my toy you silly old bag". Attempt 3 "Leafy hold and give" again pointing to the toy and with titbit in hand. Her response: She picks the toy up and promptly drops it. Attempt 4 "Leafy you've got to hold and give". Her response: "For goodness sake, I've just picked the damn thing up, what more do you want?" Attempt 5 I pick the toy up and throw it. She finally got it after three days but has to be reminded every single time. Bless her, she can't help it and she does make me laugh. She was actually a very reliable and consistent retrieve dog but she's been retired for nearly two years. Tripod is so right in saying that training is ongoing.