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Teenage pup going crazy around animals

Discussion in 'Dog Training and Behaviour' started by Amelia M Richards, Jun 17, 2019.


  1. Jamesgoeswalkies

    Jamesgoeswalkies PetForums VIP

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    It's this kind of information that makes me want to :rolleyes: All done and over by 12 weeks. Gosh. No wonder we get so many new puppy owners on here panicking.

    Kakite, your puppy will be fine. She sounds a little shy (which is a personality trait and nothing to do with socialisation) so i would take things slowly anyway.

    With inoculations now rarely being done by the breeder due to new vaccinations most puppies will not get their first set until 8/9 weeks, the second at 10/11 weeks (and many have to wait for a third set) and may then be able to go out a week after that - at 12 to 14 weeks of age ... supposedly with only a couple of weeks left to 'socialise'. And import puppies can't even come over until 16 weeks of age many of whom have had no chance to get out and about at all.

    To me it will always be a rolling programme that needs to be gauged around each puppies personality. Controlled by nature (the temperament of the line) and aided by nurture.

    In regard to 'breeders' - most home breeders are far better at the socialisation and generalisation than some professional breeders who may have two or three litters on the go at any one time. And having listened to some show breeders recently talk about the new breeding registration regulations and especially this 'new nonsense called engagement' I am not sure they would be at the top of my list for running a pre 8 week programme for their puppies either.

    J
     
  2. Amelia M Richards

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    The thing that confuses me is my dogs body language...she doesn't cower, shake, put her tail between her legs...theres a local dog who tries to attack her every time we see him and shes pulling trying to get to him, tail wagging, excitable etc..same with the foxes, it's like she wants to play with them and that's what I assumed...shes never acts scared around animals, always alert tail wagging fast etc...not sure how to interpret this?
     
  3. JoanneF

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    Someone (maybe @kittih?) posted this link recently. Tail wagging is quite far down the article but it doesn't always mean the dog is happy. A low, slow wag can indicate fear and be an appeasement signal, a high, twitchy wag can indicate being unsure - there's more to the wag than happiness. Of course it is also possible your dog is misreading the signals the other animals are giving.

    http://en.turid-rugaas.no/calming-signals---the-art-of-survival.html
     
  4. Jamesgoeswalkies

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    Your dog may well be over excited and highly stimulated by the approach of another dog or the sight of a fox (although the reaction will be chase drive not play in the case of the fox I suspect) that is only something a behaviourist could tell you once they have assessed your dog. But don't be fooled by the wagging of a tail - that only shows arousal - and arousal is not always 'i'm pleased to see you' arousal.

    However, when a dog is anxious at the approach or demeanour/body language of another dog (especially one that has approached in a confrontational way) then quite often their brain tells them that rather than quiver in fear, attack is generally the best form of defence and so pulling towards, rearing up and going completely over threshold is often the sign that your dog is not comfortable with the approach of the other dog. Indeed, as you have had an incident in the vets waiting room I think this may well be the case.

    But as I said, this is probably why you do need an assessment.

    Edited to add - cross posted with Joanne - good link re body language.

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  5. Kakite

    Kakite PetForums Senior

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    Thanks for that, it’s really hard when you are a first time puppy owner. I went home crying to be honest. But I have done a ton of research since then and my pup is just fine, she is shy but not terrified and she just needs time to warm up, thanks for your input.
     
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    Yes it was me :)
     
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  7. kittih

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    OP you have had good advice. As others have said the body language your dog is showing doesn't neccesarily indicate a confident happy dog in fact quite the opposite. Your dog sounds highly aroused and stressed. Dogs when confronted with something they are anxious about may well wag their tails. They also may well pit on a big display in the hope that the thing causing their anxiety will get the hint and be intimidated and go away.

    Also if your dog is exposed regularly to highly (or even.not so highly arousing) situations then the cumulative affect of this arousal (arousal could be fear, excitement, anxiety, exercise, external stimuli etc) then it wont take much to trigger over aousal the next time.something happens. Cortisol the stress hormone takes a while to.dissapate (days rather than hours) so additional stress will accumulate unless the dog is allowed to calm.down. some dogs like humans are naturally more reactive to.stressful situations.

    The bath tub analogy helps to explain it...

    http://reactivechampion.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-stress-bathtub.html?m=1
     
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  8. Amelia M Richards

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    Thank you all for your advice..so glad I posted.
    The incident in the waiting area was shortly after a stressful (for her) train journey, and then a massive cane corso cross kept coming in and out barking and straining on the lead to get to her...i was waiting in that waiting area for an hour so you can imagine her distress plus I took the complete wrong approach by trying to comfort and baby her which probably didn't help (later Google searches have indicated)
    Today a dog walked past unexpected as I reached a corner and they sniffed each other briefly before I took her away...she was over excited but calmed down quickly after so I'll take that as slight progress!
    Playing catch with her and her special squeaky ball has helped her focus on me much more when shes on the long lead...a squeak of the ball will take her focus of the birds any other games/ links to pages with games I could play with her when out and indoors. I really want to show her how fun and exciting I am so she focuses and looks to me completely.
    Shes being neutered in three weeks, will that help at all do you think?
    Thank you all again
     
  9. StormyThai

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    Comforting a dog that is upset and distressed is fine, if anything it will help your relationship as she understands that you give comfort when needed :)
    Personally I would be worried about neutering her before she is fully matured but that's your call obviously...I doubt neutering will help with her behaviour much (if at all)...she sounds like a very nervy girl to me so it will be down to time, patience and training :)
     
  10. Amelia M Richards

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    Oh really? The date shes being neutered is three months after her first season...do you think that's too early? If I can postpone it then I'll use the saved money for a dog behaviour expert but vet said neutering asap is best?
    I have all time and patience in the world for her, really want to make this work and for her to love is as her family :)
     
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