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Taurine in Cats

Discussion in 'Cat Health and Nutrition' started by FEWill, Apr 28, 2010.


  1. hobbs2004

    hobbs2004 PetForums VIP

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    No, you are not being thick. That is because the 2000mg/kg guideline refers to cooked processed food. Because of the manufacturing process of wet food, which uses water to cook the meat, depletes taurine (which is a water-soluble amino acid). So, a cooked diet (unless it is baked but even there are differences) needs more taurine than the raw equivalent.

    Does that help?
     
  2. marbleandwotsit

    marbleandwotsit PetForums Newbie

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    Thanks Hobbs, I am still not clear, does that figure of 2000mg relate to the product BEFORE it is cooked or after. And what about the taurine amounts listed on the tin, is that the amount before or after the food is cooked, e.g my tins of Grau say 1000mg per kg? is that not enough then?
     
  3. cookiemom

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    Hmm, I think the taurine amounts relate to the finished product as it is in the tin, say like a tin of peas, the nutrional declaration is for the finished tin of peas not for raw peas, you could check with the manufacturer about whether its added before or after, I always thought after, what would be the point in adding it before as it will just be destroyed.

    The 1000mg though does seem to be below what is recommended a per current guidelines.
     
  4. cookiemom

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    While trawling about and looking for further info on the amount of taurine in natural food ie mice I stumble on this, which is helpful as it includes that the mice have been ground and frozen, also gives the amount of taurine needed based on a cats weight:

    Is enough Taurine in TCfeline?
     
  5. Cherbe3

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    On the topic of taurine, can you use just taurine powder, like ones human use and such, or is the feline taurine, is there a different?
     
  6. hobbs2004

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    Not quite CM; it depends on whether the taurine is listed as part of the analysis or the additives. If listed as part of the additive then that only gives the amount that is added, not the overall content (which then also includes the amount already present in the raw products). To make matters worse though it is often unclear which the value refers to. And still not all manufacturers declare one or the other - I believe largely because as soon something gets declared it needs to be verifiable (could be talking out of my $%^& here though).
     
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    Oh yes, you can use the human stuff - just make sure it is pure.
     
  8. cookiemom

    cookiemom PetForums Senior

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    Blimey that's as clear as mud then! I just found an old tetrapack in the back of a cupboard to see what it said and indeed it doesn't mention taurine at all, is there not a set thingummy on how these things should be declared? Must admit I was just going by what I felt was common sense in as much as you'd expect them to say what you should be getting when you dish it up!
     
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    So after reading this, I went to the butchers and got sme chicken liver. My cat looked at it, smelt it and turned her nose up!!! I couldn't believe it. Iv seen her hunt and kill and So I assumed any kind of raw meat would go down a treat - clearly not.. I can't believe I have been such a ignorant pet owner... And I hate how I have turned my cat into a commercialised cat! Turning her nose up at a cat delicacy like chicken liver ,:mad:
     
  10. kawaiiangel

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    this thread has been really informative, and i'm just about to go and buy the feline taurine powder from zooplus. fingers crossed lottie will take to it :thumbup:
     
  11. petrus

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    Interesting article!
     
  12. kawaiiangel

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    damn! i bought the feline taurine powder on zooplus for £22.99 (200gm) and found a 250g of taurine on amazon for £4.95 (+£1.95 delivery). argh, kicking myself! :mad2:
     
  13. kawaiiangel

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    sorry to ask a stupid question, but what does that work out per teaspoonful? i never got a measuring spoon with my zooplus order :(

    Doh! Found the spoon buried in the tub lol
     
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    I just bought pure taurine from a german online store. On the bottle it says it is 99.2% pure taurine.

    Would you guys be able to help me calculate how much taurine I should mix with my cat's food? She eats more than one brand, but here are 2 of the main ones :

    - Mac's duck chicken and turkey :
    -Catz finefood No.23 - Chicken & Duck :
    Knowing that my cat eats 225g of food everyday, how much taurine should I add?

    If possible, could you guys explain how exactly you make that calculation? I never know if the amount of taurine in canned food is based on a dry matter basis or not!

    And also, should I keep the Taurine bottle in the fridge after opening?

    Thanks for your help!!:thumbup:
     
  15. cookiemom

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    There's a discussion on the previous page about whether or not the taurine is added before or after and then it all depends on how the manufacturer declares it! if you really wanted to know about each brand, you could get in touch with them and see what they say.

    At a recommended rate of 2000mg/kg then you'd want about 200mg to go with 200g of food, this would take you over the recommended given that there is some in the food already, was there a measure with the taurine or any indication in the instructions about how to measure?
     
  16. heleni

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    hi guys! its a very interesting article indeed. i hapend to have a 15y old female cat with a very rare illness,and canot eat dry or wet food,so i cook! and i'm a chef,so she learned to eat gourmet,and i dont think its always good for her! so liver raw or beef i must give her..ok,she plucks also too a lot,is this suspicious? thanks
     
  17. wildaboutcats

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    Hi every one, i am very confused with all this taurine. Only i make most of my cats food myself, but they get cooked. I understand, that they must have taurine as well as other stuff. Meat (chicken, chicken livers, heart) all contain taurine, so how do you know how much they are getting is one of my questions. If they are getting their meat and heart etc (also COOKED fish twice a week also contains taurine and fish oils/omega 3 etc..... not tuna!). I have also read on the internet that there is a big hype about all these cats vitamins etc --- which i am sure has an element of truth.
    I do use some conditioning tabs which are full of "goodness"..... too many vits and minerals to list!
    I do understand that some taurine is lost in the cooking process, but this is only a proportion of it. So i do not understand all the big to do about taurine really. The "taurine bombs" like chicken hearts etc can always be chopped up after cooking or cooked very lightly.
    Anyway my cats are fit and well, and have lovely shiny coats etc. I guess, no one really knows just how much taurine they should really have. Many years ago there was none of this.

    Also, The additives they put into the mass produced stuff in the supermarkets are added because the rubbish and unhealthy stuff they use and cook it up for about 2 days, so there is none/little nutrient left in it.
     
  18. spid

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    NOt quite sure what you are asking,

    But taurine is essential for heart health - experiments were done years back and cats without sufficient taurine in their diet developed taurine deficiency HCM - which was then reversed by adding the taurine back into the diet.

    Now I'm not an expert so I don't know how much is needed etc. Sorry. Yes some taurine gets lost in the cooking.

    Many years ago most cats got the majority of their food by hunting (nice taurine bombs then).

    Again, it's all about risk - do you risk HCM or do you make sure your cat gets enough? It's your choice.
     
  19. wildaboutcats

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    I suppose i am just saying that if you ensure your cat gets a "good" diet with respect to taurine then why pay and add more. You can ensure they get "lots" of taurine with the meat and adding in the heart etc. I think people pay a lot of excess money for taurine tabs which may or may not be pure. I think some one else said they bought ?96% pure taurine, if it is 96% then it is not pure. Anyway, i do accept what you are saying and either way, you must make sure they get what is thought to be a good diet. :thumbup: I suppose, there is just more than one way of doing things in life, some routes are just more expensive than others. Very interesting topic! :)
     
  20. wildaboutcats

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    I have just found an article on taurine and how much you should add or have in their diet. :) I do find it a bit strange that this lady is saying that if they get too much taurine it is o.k. as it is passed out any way, but then say's she would rather avoid adding supplements. I suppose this might be what i was trying to say in a way, perhaps i just prefer a more "natural" way of cats getting their taurine. Some humans take vitamin supplements, which are not necessarily needed, as you should be eating a balanced healthy diet (unless there is a medical reason!). The calculation is useful though!


    Answers: How Much Taurine Should I Add?
    Written by Margaret Gates
    Thursday, August 19, 2010 01:04 PM

    Question: How much taurine should there be in the raw frozen diets? The brand I have says each patty contains 0.06%. Another brand I have says their chicken variety has 0.064% and the rabbit only 0.04%. Both companies claim to be providing complete and balanced diets in their raw formulas. It's so hard to know. I would really rather avoid adding supplements if I can help it.

    There is no "precise" feline requirement for taurine, as many factors influence requirement levels. These include protein source, dietary fiber levels, food processing, sulfur-containing amino acid content and the metabolic needs of the individual cat.¹ Recommended ranges for an average cat fall between 35 and 250 mg a day.² The AAFCO lists .2% as the minimum for canned/wet foods (dry matter percentage), so here are some calculations: ³

    The first brand you mentioned lists the taurine content of .06% on an "as fed" basis, not on a dry matter basis, so we have to convert. The moisture content is 70%, so dry matter is 30%. So, .06 divided by 30 = .002 or .2%, exactly the required minimum.

    To measure in ounces, we convert again: 1 oz = 28.35 grams, 28.35 x .2% = .0567gr or 56.7 mg. So there is about 56.7 mg of taurine per ounce of food. Multiply that by how many ounces you feed a day to get your total. An average cat would probably eat about four ounces of food a day, so the daily taurine intake would be over 200 mg.

    Both grinding and freezing reduce available taurine, but by how much is not clear. That is why I add supplemental taurine when making homemade or supplementing pre-ground meat/bone/organ mixes. Taurine is not toxic in cats and is water-soluble, so any extra the cat can't use just gets flushed out in their urine.⁴ I would rather add some extra taurine to the food and have a cat with expensive pee than risk a taurine deficiency which could lead to serious heart problems or death.

    Note: The Feline Nutrition Education Society provides feline health and nutrition information as a public service. Diagnosis and treatment of specific conditions should always be in consultation with your own veterinarian. The Feline Nutrition Education Society disclaims all warranties and liability related to the veterinary advice and information provided on this site.

    If you have a question you'd like answered, please send them to answers@feline-nutrition.org. We respond to every question. If your question would be helpful to others, we may post it in Answers, too.

    People Who Read This Article Also Read:
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    Margaret Gates is the founder of the Feline Nutrition Education Society.

    1. Claudia A. Kirk, Jacques Debraekeleer and P. Jane Armstrong, "Normal Cats," Small Animal Clinical Nutrition, 4th ed. Walsworth Publishing Company, 2000, 301-302.
    James G. Morris, "Idiosyncratic Nutrient Requirements of Cats Appear to be Diet-induced Evolutionary Adaptations," Nutrition Research Reviews 15, 2002, 153-168.
    2. I. H. Burger, K. C. Barnett, "The Taurine Requirement of the Adult Cat," Journal of Small Animal Practice 23, no. 9, April 10, 2008, 533-537.
    3. AAFCO Nutrient Requirements for Cats Table 47, The Merck Veterinary Manual, 2008.
    4. U.S. National Research Council Ad Hoc Committee on Dog and Cat Nutrition, Nutrient Requirements of Dogs and Cats, 2006, 137.
     
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