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Struggling with my 2 puppies (HELP ME!!!)

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  1. Charlingo

    Charlingo PetForums Newbie

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    Hello I'm new to this chat room and don't really know how it works but I'm in desperate need of help.

    So me and my husband first got our bedlinton terrier (Digbie) at 8 weeks old, we were training her to toliet on puppy pads as we have no garden. She barks a bit and is hard to toliet train but is a lovely sweet girl. We then decided to get another puppy. We bought Eli who is a boarder collie at 8 weeks and his is extremely bittey, tries to chew anything and everything and plays in a very agressive way.

    Digbie is not 22 weeks and Eli 11 weeks. He cannot go out yet but we take her on regular walks. We have since started training them to toliet on our balcony, Eli is better than digbie but recently (last week) they both have been a lot harder to handle.

    When leaving them home for an hour or 2 we come back to the same objects chewed and they have the habit of pooping and walking in it so it becomes spreading through the house. Also I'm Digbie I have found multiple closed wounds that look like teeth and claw marks but when they play she will start it with him a lot of the time. They have also peed and pooped on our sofa in front of us and have started playing even more aggressively and don't take any notice of us telling them off.

    What can I do? I feel I am at braking point as I'm home 24/7 and i feely mental health is getting worst because of the stress. What can I do??? Any help would be great!!!!
     

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  2. MontyMaude

    MontyMaude PetForums VIP

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    Wowsers, where to start o_O seriously you need to read up on littermate syndrome (I know yours aren't littermates) but it is really not a great idea to get two young puppies at the same time, but first and foremost you need to separate them when you leave them as if one of them has bite marks then they can't be left unsupervised as one is obviously not stopping the aggressive play biting and this could escalate and you could end up with two very unhappy dogs.
     
  3. Charlingo

    Charlingo PetForums Newbie

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    Thank you I will try to keep them in seprates rooms. As for the agressive playing it's not angry aggressive if that makes sense as she never yelps or is scared of him and they both always having wagging tails it's just to the point where they do over the top with playing and don't stop when we tell them to. It's just very hard to stop as both want to play and even though he seems agressive when playing (as I assume she doesn't think so as she doesnt seem to care) she is more then happy to start the playing, chase after him and to pester him so I can't put them blame on both or see if it's a healthy relationship between them.

    I just don't understand how she is seemly getting hurt as she's had a cut on her ear that bled a little and she has very small scabs on her side but she has never not once stopped playing with him or screamed. Digbie on walks, if a bigger dog is chasing her will scream and cry extremely loud so it's hard to believe she would get hurt by Eli and not even sqeek. But I understand what you are saying, we have separated them once when we went out and our neighbors said that either stopped crying the whole time but i will just have to annoy them haha.
     
  4. Lurcherlad

    Lurcherlad PetForums VIP

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    Manage their play so one isn’t getting overwhelmed.

    Separate them when alone in areas where they can’t damage anything. Give them toys and chews to occupy them.

    Leave the tv or radio on to help them settle.

    Don’t allow other dogs to treat Digbie that way - she sounds anxious and scared to me :(

    Be careful who your dogs socialise with - it shouldn’t be with every dog they meet and never a “free for all” otherwise your dogs could turn and fight back which you want to avoid.
     
  5. Teddy-dog

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    Wow... don't want to sound negative but you have a lot of hard work to do!! Border collies puppies are hard enough on their own, having two puppies, one being a border collie, is a lot of work!

    As has been said, you need to separate them when they're alone if one is getting injured. You also need to keep a close eye on play and separate them when they are getting OTT. How have you introduced alone time? How did you train them to be left alone? sounds like they might be anxious being left (or at least one of them) with the chewing and the toileting when you're gone. Do you leave them with a kong and something to entertain themselves with when you're gone? This will now be easier as you're separating them as you don't have to worry about arguments over a chew. This is probably especially important for your BC, they are very intelligent and need lots of mental stimulation, even at that age. You need to train them and play games with them and give them some brain games to tire them out. Bedlingtons are also clever little dogs and will need mental stimulation too, though they are not as intense as a Border collie. Both breeds are quite different to train.

    I also agree to look up littermate syndrome, it is hard having two dogs of the same age. You'll need to walk and train separately at first.

    Even though Eli hasn't had all jabs you could walk him with you in a sling or carry, so long as he's not on the ground he'll be fine and that will provide some mental stimulation for him. I agree that Digbie sounds anxious too so need to be aware of that and not overwhelm her.

    I'm sure you love both your dogs, and with some hard work from you you could all live in harmony. But, if the stress is getting too much and you're not sure, I'd think about getting in contact with Eli's breeder and possibly look at sending him back. He's still young so should be easy enough for the breeder to rehome. I only say this as border collies really are a lot of work and so many end up in rescue because people think they will be easy to train (and in some ways they are) and don't realise the extent of stimulation they need. IMO as well, I don't think BC's make good apartment dogs (though I'm sure some people do do this successfully).
     
  6. ShibaPup

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    Only to add to what others have said.

    Management is key here - if play gets seemingly too rough, separate them until they calm down. Stair gates can be amazing for this. They are both puppies so won't know when to stop. Telling them off is often meaningless - they don't understand you, a shout or loud voice may serve as an interrupter at best.

    Crating each of them, on their own, might be another option for over night and when you go out - it's something you'd have to gradually increase the time and build positive associations with so they are happy to use the crate and settled alone. If you go this route, ensure the crates/cages are large enough for them individually to stand up, turn around and lay full stretched out on their side.
    Kongs stuffed with dog food and frozen might help - they're cool for teething and help keep dogs occupied for a little while, natural chews such as various dried animal parts from places like Zooplus is something else to look into but you might have to separate your dogs when you give them, if they resource guard.

    Crying when you go out sounds like separation anxiety - this can lead to destructive behaviour and accidents from stress, so again might be best to go back to basics with getting them both feeling comfortable being left alone. Some good information here - it's a long process but very much worth it https://www.petforums.co.uk/threads/how-to-help-a-dog-with-separation-anxiety.112552/

    When you take them out - don't allow other dogs to scare or pester yours, it's not helpful or nice for your dog. A walk should be about you and your dog, they don't need to meet or play with every dog they see - if you do allow that, you'll often end up with an adult dog crying and barking at the end of their lead wanting to say hello to every dog and that isn't fun. Not every dog can meet other dogs, some might be elderly, ill, frail or not like other dogs invading their space so it's important to have good solid recall or keep your dog on lead.

    Look into positive reinforcement based training - your dogs will benefit from it, it'll help provide them both with mental stimulation and it'll help your bond with them. Stay away from anything alpha or pack leader based.
    Some good videos to learn from and follow
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLF26FD559887E7EA4
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXtcKXk-QWoidToG7ThILxjH7wAg0Lvph

    Finally be honest with yourself - taking on two young puppies, very different breeds and needs. Nothing stopping you doing well if you are committed but it'll take A LOT of time, work and patience.
     
  7. AmyRedd

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    You’ve had some great advice so not much to add there!

    I have a Bedlington terrier as well and they are extremely sensitive little dogs. Mine will put up with other dogs tormenting him but will be very scared and anxious afterwards. He had a few negative experiences as a puppy and now will categorically refuse to walk past any dog he gets the wrong vibes off. You don’t want her to become anxious around other dogs due to being bullied at home. If you need any beddie help feel free to pm me or join I love Bedlington terriers on Facebook which is full of useful info.

    Digbie (and Eli obviously) is stunning btw here is my Ted
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  8. MissSpitzMum

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    Honestly, are you willing to rehome one? Puppies at that age (especially the BC) will not find it hard to find a loving home. If it is causing you so much stress then you really need to think about yourself, as teenagehood might bring about a whole lot more stress.
     
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    I'd consider taking the Collie back to the breeder if they were mine. He's 11 weeks and will have no issue adapting to a new home. It's almost always a mistake to take on two puppies for the reasons you are experiencing. It CAN work with a hell of a lot of effort, but I always think at what cost to your own sanity and the development of both dogs?

    I'm not going to add much to the points already made, but one thing I didn't see mentioned was that you have a dog and bitch. While the male won't be able to mate her yet, he will able to in 3 or so months time, which is around the age your bitch will likely come into season. You will need to keep them apart entirely for 3 weeks, maybe even 4 just to be safe - not exactly easy with two dogs that are highly bonded and dependant on each other.
     
  10. Megan1612

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    What is littermate syndrome??
     
  11. Charlingo

    Charlingo PetForums Newbie

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    Thank you all for all your comments, I have looked up littermate syndrome and for what I've read they don't show any signs of having it. They can do apart all the commands I've taught them. They love seeing other people and other dogs and they only cry or seem stressed when we leave not when the other puppy leaves.

    Me and my husband have sat down and we think we may re-home him as Digbies energy and personality has seemed to just do down hill and she's not the puppy we fell in love with. But thank you all I'll try to keep you updated on what we have decided to do.
     
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    Can you make sure you contact the breeder first before you consider rehoming him yourself? Hopefully the breeder will take him back. If not can I suggest you contact a good Collie rescue who will match him to the right home.
     
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    Charlingo PetForums Newbie

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    Have already messaged them but I do know someone who takes in rescues who has a lot of contacts so if the breeder wouldn't be able to take him then she would be able to help me find him a great home.
     
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    It is in very basic terms the fact that two puppies together will look to each other and form an overly strong bond and ignore their human, it can be done (bringing up two puppies together) but you have to spend a lot of time training and walking the puppies separately, lots of info if you google.
     
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  15. Megan1612

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    Thanks, will look into it as I have two dogs from same litter.
     
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    I absolutely think you are sensible to admit your mistake and rehome the border collie pup before life becomes intolerable. It does not sound as though you have the sort of home to rear a border collie in anyway let alone with another pup. Mistakes happen and we all learn from them so do not beat yourself up over it, do the right thing for the pup and accept what has happened.
     
  17. Teddy-dog

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    I think you've made the right choice. As he's young he'll find a home fast, and you can then focus on Digbie :)
     
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