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Sprocker AMS advice

Discussion in 'Dog Breeding' started by Sprockersteve, Oct 22, 2020.


  1. Sprockersteve

    Sprockersteve PetForums Newbie

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    I have a sprocker bitch, and had planned to have a litter with her.

    We just got her health test results and she's and AMS carrier (devasted at first but after some quick research it's not a big deal really for her health)

    We had picked a stud who is a kc pedigree cocker who is fully health tested and all clear.

    So our dilema now is shall we still breed, we know that from the litter there's a 25% a pup could be a carrier. But in our mind being just a carrier isn't so bad as they won't ever suffer from ams as just a carrier.

    We'd love the experience of having a litter, and with wording from home etc now is a perfect time as we have all the time we need to care for her through pregnancy and for the pups when they are born.

    Just a bit torn as to whether to breed, with a 25% chance a pup could be a carrier.

    If dogs only had 1 pup I wouldn't think twice as we will keep one pup for ourselves anyway, just worried the prospect of a possible carrier would put potential owners off.
     
  2. Linda Weasel

    Linda Weasel PetForums VIP

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    I would say not. Why breed dogs whose progeny could have health problems?

    And because they won’t be pedigree you won’t even be able to put a ‘not to be bred‘ endorsement on the pups.

    The only reason to breed from a bitch (other than to try to make money) is if it’s to improve the breed, and this certainly isn’t the case here; you will be breeding mongrels.
     
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    I guess the risk would be if the puppies owners then decided to breed, but didnt bother to health test first. You potentially could end up with dogs affected not far down the line.

    Its not like you can place endorsements as they are crosses.
     
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    It's really good that you've been responsible & health tested before breeding & looked for a suitable stud, so many people don't.

    However breeding so that you can have the experience of having a litter really isn't a good enough reason- it may be a great experience for you but it isn't necessary or fulfilling for the dog & if there are complications then it's not nice for them at all.

    Breeding well involves breeding the best dogs, proven in health, temperament & functionality, rather than just because we personally feel our dog is lovely.

    With KC registered purebreds you can place endorsements on the puppies that discourage puppy buyers from breeding your dog's progeny, but with crossbreeds you won't be able to protect them from this at all so you will have no control over future dogs suffering from the condition.
     
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    Sprockersteve PetForums Newbie

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    And thats why we are so torn, our girl is a cracking dog, very intelligent, fantastic tempremant, everything you'd want from a pet, and to have one of her offspring for ourselves would be amazing....

    I think ultimately we know the answer... Its the head over heart thing...
     
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    Sprockersteve PetForums Newbie

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    Yes I had seen this previously..... If we had 4 pups in theory 2 healthy and then a 50/50 Chance the other 2 would be carriers....

    We arent letting our hearts rule our heads.....
     
  8. Linda Weasel

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    It’s not really something you’d want to perpetuate, hopefully.
     
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    If you're being picky about how probability actually works, the percentages are per foetus/ pup, and not across the whole litter (or per half litter as your example). So even if you ended up with 4 puppies, there's no guarantee that you'd have 2 clear. Genetics Gods (as breeders jokingly refer to the probability stakes!) don't usually fall either perfectly in such a tiny data set, or the way you want.
     
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