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Discussion in 'Dog Training and Behaviour' started by Deb, May 13, 2010.


  1. Deb

    Deb PetForums Senior

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    Hi has anyone used a spray collar? A colleague of mine uses one for her dog that has issues's with running after other animals. Cassie doesnt do that but we have problems with recall coz if she is not ready she will not come back (although she is always close - just not close enough to touch!! which is why she is usually on a training lead (not held)). My colleguse says that if her dog looks ready for flight she sprays and her dog doesnt run off. Apparently you can use it as a beeping sound as well. Any thoughts??:confused:
     
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    I doubt the dog would make the connection of Spray = go back to owner, and there really are better and kinder ways of achieving recall. Rather than using collars have something really smelly like liver cake, cheese or garlic sausage and practice loads in all different situations. Also try running away or hiding from her... you will be so much fun to chase. I have change the recall word a few times as Harvey practiced ignoring it. We are also still using a long line but hopefully we will get there soon.
    Good luck :)
     
  3. Deb

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    Tried it all :D If she is not ready - she is not ready (even after 2-3hrs!!) I just want her to stand still so that i can get hold of her - she is usually very near, just not enought to touch her,
     
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    Ahh sorry, :eek: How long is the training lead? Harvey isn't interested in noisy toys ect so he is on a 10 meter long line (me attached to the other end at the mo).
    Hopefully someone else with more experience will come along soon, but I would be concerned that the dog may bolt with a sudden noise or spray.
     
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    I imagine if you call and then spray if she doesn't react, the unpleasantness gets connected to the recall command.. I can't imagine that helping, really.
     
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    Im trying to imagine how I would like to be sprayed in the face everytime I wanted to run off to something interesting instead of staying put and doing the right thing, like a chocolate cake vs staying sat with my celery stick ...

    I can only asume, I would stop running towards the cake... but only intil I got used to being sprayed in the face, then I would ignore the spray and keep running, intil a massive hose was used on me and I couldnt physically run through the spray of water :lol:


    good look with your dogs recall, Im sure there is a method that will work, you just have to keep trying til you find it
     
  7. lucysnewmum

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    the problem with spray collars is that if your timing is even the slightest bit off you are going to cause more problems than you already have. for example, if you call "come", the dog ignores you, you spray - eventually the dog will associate being called back with something unpleasant.

    far better idea would be to go back almost to basic puppy training to reinforce the recall.

    try to think of something that really gets your dog excited! maybe a favourite toy, maybe liver, maybe chopped chicken, maybe a whistle????
    once you have worked out what your dog will interact with, put him on a normal lead. ask him to come and show him his prize. only let him have his prize when he is really close to you. the idea being that you make yourself more interesting than anything and everybody else around him. once you have given your recall command under no circumstances should you approach the dog. he must learn to come to you when asked.

    if you really struggle enrol in some basic obedience classes or get a trainer to do a couple of one to one sessions with you at home to point you in the right direction of showing this dog that you mean business. dont give up. it is disheartening when faced with a much loved pet who seems to be ignoring you. most of the time this can be fixed. its just a case of finding a method that works for you! good luck
     
  8. Deb

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    training lead is about 10ft long but we have used a shorter one which still works. she seems to know the minute she is not on one (has 100% recall with lead even though we do not hold it):)
     
  9. Deb

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    food does not work outside of home - have tried tuna biccies and hot dogs!! Have had 1-2-1 trainers x2 and been back to basics more times then i can remember. she is fantastic when we go back to basic - 100% as said above but the minute we take the lead off she plays up:)
     
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    So, too big a step from on to offleash? Perhaps you could break it down into being offleash in really really undistracting places and veeery slowly inch up to the more difficult places, keeping her on the long line at all other places so that she cannot fail?
     
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    reading through all the posts again....
    i am now thinking that she wont come back because she has learnt that coming back means the fun is over and its time to go home! ???

    try this....
    attach a training line (10 mtr) to her collar AS WELL AS her normal lead.
    let her off the normal lead but leave the training line intact for security so that you know you still have her under your control
    practise the recall but DONT put her normal lead back on every time.
    praise and fuss her highly for coming back each time.
    alternate between LEAD ON and GO PLAY commands after she successfully
    comes back to you.

    the thinking behind this is that she will unlearn that the lead means play stops.

    (still thinking!):thumbup:
     
  12. Deb

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    she doesnt get distracted - has no interest in other dogs/people - just her ball. she will constantly be hovering for me to throw her ball. As I say she does not go very far and will just sit/lie just out of reach!!:D
     
  13. Deb

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    dont want to sound negative but have done that as well :eek: Also we can take her out with training lead and she comes back every time. Can take her out without lead on and after the first couple of times she will not come back
    :eek:
     
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    I used a spray collar to stop one of my dogs belting off to join in other people's football games. It worked really well. I'd press the spray control while she was running towards the football, and she'd stop and come back. However, using one to stop a dog doing something wrong is a lot different from using one when the dog isn't doing something it should do. For recall in your situation, I would NOT use a spray collar. As others have said, the dog is more likely to assosciate the recall command with something unpleasant.
     
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    Reading through your posts again it seems you have the answer already. If she is waiting close by for you to throw the ball then you make the ball the reward for coming to you.

    Show her the ball, wave it around, toss it from one hand to the other, bounce it on the floor, basically make it the most exciting thing in the world. But if she wants you to throw it she is going to have to get a little bit closer (which she will do if she wants to see what it is your going crazy about), as soon as she makes the slightest movement toward you, throw the ball. Next time wait until she moves a little closer before you throw and so on. Build up gradually until you can touch her collar and make that the cue for the throw, slowly work up until you are putting the lead on, then take it off again and hurl that ball as far as you can.

    Recall is an expensive behaviour, meaning that if the dog is going to do it, then you have to make it worth their while and it is usually just a case of finding the right motivation and creating the association.

    If all else fails and the dog is staying close but out of reach, you could always try a different approach and concentrate on training a really solid down/stay. That would at least allow you to get her back on the lead.
     
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    A sparay collar should only be used in aggression cases that are bad i would never us one for recall or if the dog was running away, i have used one when
    socialising a dog that is aggressive for the protection of our working dogs and they do work in the right hands, they are filled with citrenella which they do not like but before using any training tool you should see a behaviourist use it wrong and you a f***d up dog :)
     
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    reading over every post, it seems to me the simplest solution is to KEEP the dog on a drag -
    if need be, for their remaining lifetime! - when off-leash. Why Not?
    its not aversive, it allows the dog off-leash time, and its safety-insurance. :thumbup: all good things!
    --- terry
     
  18. Deb

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    i must admit this is what we are doing - much less pressure on me!!
     
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    if training simply does not hold, or there is a safety-issue, then management is perfectly fine, IMO.
    certainly managing for safety + success is far-preferable to having the dog lost, hurt, or even at risk of loss or injury.

    i;m a belt-AND-suspenders trainer, :lol: safety first, last + always... :thumbup:
    some call it cowardice :D thats OK, they;re the ones putting flyers up that say, LOST - DOG, Reward... :lol:
     
  20. Burrowzig

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    Not all spray collars use citronella, the one I used was unscented, so the dog just got a cold wet whoosh under her chin. You can choose to buy scented or unscented spray.
    I would not use one for aggression, if the dog associates it with dogs or people, it could easily make matters worse and trigger further aggressive behaviour.
     
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