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Should I not own a dog then??

Discussion in 'Dog Chat' started by deb53, Jul 14, 2009.


  1. deb53

    deb53 PetForums VIP

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    I have recently spent two weeks in hospital and have been slowly reading through all the threads I have missed.

    As a newbie to the forum I find it quite hurtful and upsetting to keep reading that if someone cannot afford to lay out £500+++ for a puppy then they should not have one as how are they going to afford to keep it!!

    I myself would love to have a new puppy, the time is right, but as I live on my own and had to give up work because of a disability earlier in the year I most definatly cannot afford to pay out the extortiate prices that some people are asking.

    To say that just because someone does not have the initial cash to lay out for a pup cannot afford to keep a dog is utter ludicrous.

    My little bitch has the best of everything

    She is fully vaccinated and boostered every year ( I put a little by each week in the vaccine jar, vaccines have to be done as so does the car tax,( you will always get people who avoid this wether they have money or not as they would also avoid paying the car tax if they were not going to get nicked). Its a question of right or wrong.
    She is wormed and de-flead regually, (I order these on line to save a few pennies)
    She is fed on Arden Grange yes I suppose I could turn to Bakers and put the saved pennies into a new pup jar!.
    To cover any huge vet fees she is insured just in case of any hiccups
    She is exercised 3 times a day, twice through fields and orchards and the other road work to keep her in hard condition.
    And finally she is dearly loved and my constant companion.

    You see I think I look after my all my animals so that they are healthy and happy but no I do not have a huge wad under my mattress to pay these crazy prices.

    I would dearly love a very small puppy but it seems the smaller they are the higher the price breeders are putting on them because of the small dog trend at the moment. Just because a potential buyer comes, flashes a wad of cash does most definatly not ensure that your puppies are going to better homes.

    I can understand if the pup is of show quality ( or shoud I say show potential) to pay that little bit more, I've been there, done that, got the t.shirt or should I say rosette but when there are genuine dog lovers who don't mind whether their beloved pet has a level bite instead of a scissor, has shoulders a little too steep or even far too long in the back then surely the price should reflect in this.

    Of course the cost of pregnancy,whelping and rearing is going to be covered, and if an unfortunate problem arises and a vet bill occurs then obviously you will want to recover this in selling the pups but the luckily the majority of pregnacies not the minority go smoothly


    Goodness I have just read this back and I have really waffled on but it's not often I get a bee in my bonnet but please do not catagorise people who do not have large amounts of cash into the catagory of not being able to look after their dogs.

    O and just one more thing but this is another sore subject, wow what justification is there where people are charging crazy crazy prices for cross breeds? Or an extrs £100 for a pup if you want him or her registered?

    Off to bed now, glad thats off my chest

    night night
     
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  2. zeon85

    zeon85 PetForums Junior

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    Hiya Deb,
    Dont get down about peoples comments.. As humans we are able to crtitise others without critising ourselves.. Everyone has the ability to be a good dog owner regardless of living conditions and disabilities.. I have been on this site five minutes and had some back lash and to be honest i dont think your a bad dog owner by what you have placed.. Chin up hunni and dont get down about mindless comments lifes too short end of the day as long as ya got ya little girl by your side and you love and look after her as she does with you whos business is it anyhow??

    Sleep well and dont take any remarks personal people can be shallow minded and their comments are only bits of text on the internet nothing more nothing less

    Kindest regards

    Zeon x
     
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  3. Guinevere13

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    I have seen people living on the streets with the most loved and cared for dogs, I doubt they paid a fortune for them. I think if the dog is looked after well it doesn't matter what is paid for it as price doesn't equal care.
    As for crossbreeds, I didn't pay a huge amount for mine, I couldn't afford that much anyway but, like you said, it doesn't mean it isn't looked after. I suppose if people want to pay huge amounts for a dog it's up to them. I would prefer to pay less (obviously) and spend more on bits/vets/insurance for the dog. :D I couldn't tell you why they add that much to register, apart from the obvious, (I believe it costs £12) as I have never had any dogs that were registered - couldn't be bothered!
    You dog sounds well loved and looked after so I wouldn't worry.:D
     
  4. zeon85

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    Hello,
    Hope your feeling a little better today debs as havent heard from your post this morning... With regards to the tramps looking after dogs... They do a good job on looking after the animal but i tend to wonder whether they care about the safety of the dog as alot here in Brighton dont allow their dogs to remain on the lead nor clear up behind after the dog

    Kindest regards

    zeon
     
  5. sallyanne

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    Hi there,
    Can you not save any money towards the cost of a puppy ?
    Obviously breeders are concerned about the welfare of their pups, and any unforseen vet bills.
    Breeders who charge extra for registration,different colours,bitches etc I would avoid.
     
  6. Guinevere13

    Guinevere13 PetForums VIP

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    Hi
    I suppose they have a different outlook as they live on the streets, the dog would probably be streetwise too. I remember in the "old days" when dogs wandered all over on their own, seeing a dog sitting waiting at a crossing waiting for the green man to cross the road!
    They should clean up after them though!
     
  7. rona

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    I'm not sure what threads you are referring to, I haven't noticed this attitude too often on the dog section but have on the breeding section toward those choosing to have a litter.
    I'm not saying that it doesn't happen and you have obviously noticed it more than most because it is something close to your heart.
    I agree that often people with little income can and often do make far better owners than those who are financially well off, often because they cannot afford the luxuries in life that others take for granted, making their dog the main joy in their lives, rather than just a part of a hectic lifestyle.
    You also though, have to see things from the other side. Anyone breeding a pup would want the best for that pup, and although it is somewhat of a blanket assumption, when push comes to shove a lot of people do dump the dog when they have financial difficulties, as is shown by the amount of dogs in rescue at the moment.
    Now this is probably the people who have never struggled before, and therefore have a throw away attitude, but the breeders of puppies have to have some kind of criteria in place for the homing of their pups, much like rescues do.
    This can and does sometimes mean that good caring owners such as yourself get penalized.
    I hope that you manage to find yourself that puppy, but I do think that it will be up to you and your determination to convince someone of your dedication to that pup.
    I had a similar experience with a rescue but convinced them that they would be making a mistake by not allowing a dog to come to me
     
  8. Blitz

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    I seem to have noticed the other side of the coin on here - criticising people who dare to research a breed and spend money on a puppy rather than go and get any old rescue dog with health and behavourial problems!
    But if you want a pup and are not fussy about breed or health status I am sure you could find one from a rescue. Jack Russel pups tend to be much cheaper too as do collies, and you sound like your lifestyle might suit either of these breeds.
     
  9. Nicci

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    Have you ever thought of going through breed rescue? (I don't know what breed you have in mind?) they do sometimes have puppies and younger dogs in, you would have to pay a donation and at least you would have the back up of breed rescue should you need to call on them. Some breeders (BYB, puppy farmers) don't offer this kind of guarantee should you ever need their help.

    I understand what you are saying I really do, the only other alternative is save towards the breed you would like as Sallyanne said in a previous post.

    FTG home adverts smack of many things to me (Its not all to do with that people can't afford the upkeep of the dog involved etc, etc) there are other reasons why I don't like these kind of things it is more to do with the folk giving the dogs away and not the folk interested in them.
     
  10. Burrowzig

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    Although street people feed and nurture their dogs, they probably are less likely to vaccinate or neuter, leading to more unwanted dogs for the rescues to deal with. There was a woman living on the streets round here a few years back (she was very well liked and when she died from an overdose the front page of the local paper was a memorial to her) her dog was pregnant, in difficulties with the birth on christmas day, got a vet to come out, £600 bill that was of course never paid, and six pups to find homes for. She had 4 or 5 dogs to start with.
     
  11. Camsie84

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    There is absolutely no need to spend hundreds of pounds on a puppy. There are so many dogs in rescue homes that desperately need a good, loving home. I paid £150 as a donation to the shelter when I adopted Ted, which covered the bill for his neutering etc.

    People are so often under the misconception that the only dogs that are rescues are staffs etc.... but in this financial climate especially, there are all sorts of breeds that have been abandoned. A friend of mine recently rescued a Yorkie-poo puppy and a Cocker-poo puppy
     
  12. princessx87

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    Great Post...........!

    I feel the same when it comes to the prices of small dogs.
    Like you, my mum has got long-term illness, that isn't going to get any better soon.

    So for extra help, she asked me to look for a pug / chi pup.
    She needs something small, So bigger dogs out of the question.

    I can understand what you are saying totally, and its great what you are doing to keep your animals and they sound very much loved and cared for..
    After speaking to a few people on PF, they told me it might be easier for me, if i called breeders / rescues / fosters.
    To which i did, only one person out of 8 said that they would put us on the waiting list.
    Others refused, saying " how will you be able to afford to vet treat, spay, injections" ect..ect..
     
  13. Jazzy

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    I agree with everything you have put - it doesn't mean cos you spend £700 on a puppy that you are going to make the best owner ever and you seem like the ideal dog owner to me. :thumbsup: I was talking to a lady this morning that had a 5 month old puppy from the RSPCA and for £100 she was spayed, microchippped, vaccinated and de-flead. I thought that was fantastic for £100.
     
  14. zeon85

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    My landlord recently got a rescue dog and his a SBT and coimpletely boistrous.. He got the dog from battersea dogs home and apparently his previous dog was from there.. That i dont know but his last dog was nice as pie and castrated however this SBT is really boistorious and alot of the apparent work they done i think has been undone... I know with me i wouldnt get a rescue dog unless i know 100% on the back ground of the dog.. I feel sorry though for them in the pens as it must be like being in prison...
     
  15. deb53

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    Hi Everyone

    mmm.. so many replies to comment on, firstly thankyou Zeon for your kind words last evening.

    Regarding myself buying a pup yes I have got my puppy jar up and running I must emphasise that I am not crying out for a puppy it just makes me furious to read comments about people who cannot afford the ludicrous amounts asked cannot afford to to look after them. I would rather eat air pie for a month than have my pets go without!!

    And Blitz I am most definatly not critisizing people who research breeds to find a suitable breed for their family lifestyle,(if only more people did this then we would not see the breeds we see in rescue centres), but just because they have done this and fork out an huge amount of money does not make them a better owner. And I am not going to "get any old rescue dog with health and behavior problems" Maybe and just maybe some of these dogs with behavior problems stem from the owners who can afford a lavish busy lifestyle not spending enough time with their pet to ensure proper socialisation and proper training.

    As I have said I am not desperate for a pup, I believe in fate and the right puppy at the right price will come along and share a long, happy and healthy life with me. I have visited local rescue centres and sad for me but thank god there are no small puppies available. O yes there are plenty of larger "pedigree" dogs as well as the usual staffs and large crosses which hopefully will find homes soon as well as older small dogs but I myself will wait until the right small pup comes along ( I have 2 Grandchildre the youngest being 18 months and would not want to risk an older dog)

    But going but to the reason I started this thread was at the anger and frustration of reading from various people that if you cannot afford the initial outlay how can afford to keep. What a load of trollop. Please do not just assume.
     
  16. lauren001

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    If you cannot afford to pay £500, what do you do if your pup breaks its leg or gets run over and needs intensive care or ends up with some medical illness requiring scans and expensive medicine for life?
    What happens then, insurance will not cover everything and many dogs are not insured past their "puppy" insurance.
    Take it back to the breeder? PDSA? Rescue? Give away? Free ads? PTS?
    I think that is why many breeders will not trust their pups to anyone who cannot afford them, it is their prerogative, they can decide who they will and who they will not give their pups to.
    It is often difficult to judge as to who can provide the best home and no matter how unjustified it seems then not being able to afford the initial outlay, is a filter some use.
    It is not a load of trollop, just common sense.
     
  17. Guinevere13

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    Perhaps if the dog wasn't so expensive they could afford the vets! Not a load of trollop - just common sense!
     
  18. Nicci

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    I wasn't talking about Battersea dogs home :confused:

    I was talking about specific breed rescue, which is entirely different than walking around Battersea and any other dogs home like them.
     
  19. Nina

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    You would only need to spend that kind of money if you were purchasing a pedigree dog. I always encourage people to rescue, and if you particularly wanted a pedigree, try contacting the breed rescue.

    If you can afford annual boosters, food, insurance and time, then I see no problem with anyone wanting to bring a dog into their home. I do however, feel it extremely sad when dogs are left alone all day while the owners are at work :(

    I have seen all the behaviour problems associated with separation anxiety and would never advocate leaving a dog for any longer than 3 - 4 hours a day.
     
  20. deb53

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    Of course not. Please do not insult my intelligence or my ability to look after my dog. If for some unfortunate instance that this would happen I ( and i say I as you have implied me) would do anything to ensure that she receives and would continue to receive what care and treatment she would need. Yes many dogs I agree are not insured past their "puppy insurace" which i feel is totally irresponsible.

    And yes it is the breeders perogative to decide who to let their puppies go to, all I am saying is that please do not judge a persons ability just because of their finacial position.
     
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