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Should have to work to get Job Seeker Allowance?

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by alan g a, Sep 10, 2013.


  1. alan g a

    alan g a Hello ev'ry body peeps. Stavross 'ere init.

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    I am unsure about this. On one hand it's a good idea because it gives those who have been out of work for a while a chance to get back into the routine of going to work. On the other hand If you force someone to work who doesn't want to work ( and I have no time for them ) they will not work well if they work if at all.
    The real reason I ask this, is as follows:-
    My OH was asked to go on a work experience scheme. She was happy to do so. She turned for a 1 Hour induction to the scheme. NO-ONE TURNED UP. The induction had been cancelled but nobody bothered to tell her. The letter she received had no signature and no name. All said was:-
    Business Support Services
    (on behalf of the secretary of state )
    Blimey, if the boot was on the other foot and we made a mistake like this, we would be sanctioned for it and have to go without money for a least a fortnight.
    They get it wrong and nobody seems to care, but if anyone else gets it wrong, they are punished for it.
    Opinions please.
     
  2. cazbah

    cazbah PetForums Member

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    I don't believe people should have to work to get their JSA.

    There aren't enough paid jobs to go around and like the Workfare program it's open to exploitation, where fat cat retailers and businesses can fill posts with free workers so I don't think the model works.

    I am all for people on JSA making a commitment to training in return for the fortnightly allowance. I would like to see good quality colleges specifically set up for people on JSA, training should be individually tailored to meet the aspirations for unemployed people. Basic literacy and numeracy and IT skills and access to other educational initiatives.

    Payment of JSA would be dependant on attendance, if you don't go you don't get paid.

    I know there is a great deal of apathy in this area from the organisations who are meant to be helping people and we do need to do something to improve outcomes for those who genuinely want to work.
     
  3. alan g a

    alan g a Hello ev'ry body peeps. Stavross 'ere init.

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    Some of you might remember the YTS ( Youth Training Scheme ) ( There was an adult equivalent scheme. Sorry but I have forgotten what it was called )
    It was scrapped because those who went on these schemes were asked to sweep up or make the tea. The government should study the history of the country that they have been put in charge of. That way they won't make the same stupid mistakes.
     
  4. Waterlily

    Waterlily Amused

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    then they should get fired and go without any income at all imo.
     
  5. Donut76

    Donut76 PetForums VIP

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    I both AGREE & DISAGREE

    AGREE

    For an older person who has been out of work a long time (i was out of work due to children for 6yrs i think) It can be SO hard to take the step to go to an interview - i was so so scared & worried & franky feeling ummmm "out the loop"
    I think that should i have been out of work due to reasons other than childcare then doing some form of voluntery work in the line of work they were qualified for COULD have been benificial in keeping them motivated & less stressed

    I have done voluntery work since i was 14 in youth work/playschemes & even tried to set up a community cafe where people could bring their children - this failed because of the area it was it in never got off the ground as again it was in a very poor work ethic area & an area where children are routinly out playing from a very young age unsupervised so it just didnt "suit" to actually bring them out & socialise :(

    I feel that if SOME of these people could be encouraged to actually make an effort to go out socialise & DO something then people will feel better about themselves & work would naturally follow (NOT that there are enough jobs but that is another issue all together)

    The reason my Voluntery work didnt help with my JOB is because they are in 2 seperate sectors - Playwork/youthwork wont pay the bills OR fit in with Children (funny that isnt it) SO i had to do something else which is what made getting a job so much harder


    (really hope i dont sound condesending in my post at all as it isnt meant to be)

    AGAINST

    my sister who is 10yrs younger than me was forced to do Charity shop work as part of her "job search" she was nothing more than an unpaid skivvy - she was having to open up the shop & close she was standing up for extremely long periods of time tho she has a medical condition (not one that stops her working its one that just needs a bit of concideration on sitting or standing long periods) She wasnt allowed a Saturday off because it was the "busiest day" tho she often turned up for work opened up & was told to go home as it was a "slow day" THEN to top it off the days that she was sent home wasnt counted as "work" & she was reprimanded by the Job centre for not doing enough hours

    THIS isnt even her chosen or trained job - she qualified in Childcare but that didnt count she HAD to do the shop

    THIS is where it falls down

    IF ... she had been placed in a nursery on placement for a set time before being given a job (or similar) then fair enough but she wasnt & it lasted a couple of YEARS !! because once in the loop of doing Full time "voluntery" work for JSA that left next to NO time to search for a REAL job she didnt even have time to actually attend a Job interview as she couldt take time off from the JSA charity work



    THEN there are the places that have been mentioned in the paper as taking on many many JSA people just so they get extra money from the GOV & then lay off FT workers as its cheeper to have JSA people (if that makes sence)

    MY GOSH thats a bit of a waffle LOL
     
  6. alan g a

    alan g a Hello ev'ry body peeps. Stavross 'ere init.

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    I fully agree, but those who want to work but , for one reason or another, can't find a job, then , according to the the government, you won't work. This could not be more wrong. The government I making it harder for people to find work. I will give you an example.
    I was turned down for a job that I have done for twenty years because I didn't have a licence. The person that got the job because they did a 3 week course and passed. NO PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE. I could have taught the tutor, but that wasn't good enough.
    For the record, I was the person that taught the tutor.
    I can (if you like give you more info about this PM me and I will be happy to oblige.)
    The job involved medical gasses. I asked him
    "What comes in orange cylinders and only in sizes 'AA' and 'A'?"
    He didn't have a clue.
    The answer for your benefit is Cyclopropane (C3 H6). Used as a pain killer.
     
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  7. Calvine

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    I hope your OH got an apology...that is extremely discourteous, but prospective employers also can be very rude. When my son was oow, he applied for hundreds of jobs. As often as not ...ie in half the cases...the prospective employers didn't even send an email to acknowledge his application. In several instances he actually attended a second interview for the same firm and got no email even saying thank you, but we have now filled the post. It's very discouraging. Also, he said his 'job advisor' or whatever his title was did not suggest one single job which might be appropriate, he had to do everything himself online. He did do a course at their expense, but only because he himself found it online and asked them about it.
     
  8. tillysdream

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    Fantastic post! Agree 100%... No point me typing a post. I would have said exactly the same things. :)
     
  9. Waterlily

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    I dont mean ones that want to work, just the ones that will do a crap job of it, cos they dont want to be there, the real world, is you dont do your job to standards you get fired.

    and your bolded bit makes zero sense to me.
     
  10. suewhite

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    I know nothing about JSA so how much is it?what sort of work would people be asked to do?:confused:
     
  11. Grace_Lily

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    Nope, absolutely not. If there are jobs which can be filled by people on JSA then they should be paid the same wage as anyone else in that company. Why should tax payers have to fund a corporations access to free labour?

    Ideally I'd like to see a situation where if someone is out of work for 6 months then they are guaranteed a job. If they subsequently lose that job due to themselves/ their conduct then fine, start talking about sanctions.
     
  12. CavalierOwner

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    I don't see why people shouldn't work at charity shops or whatever in order to get JSA, it's hardly slave labour to work for your money. I don't mean work 40hours per week to get £70 (not exactly sure what JSA amount is) but say if minimum wage is like £6 you should work 11-12 hours to earn £70 JSA. It's also easing you back into work.

    Why not do this? We should work for our money, if I don't work I don't get paid.
     
  13. Colliebarmy

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    If they are fit why not? too many sit about on the dole for years because the jobs on offer equate to only a few extra pounds a day above benefits (or maybe less) so why they should work is beyond them..

    BUT, we should also stop sending millions of pounds abroad in aid (sometimes to countries better off than us) and giving handouts in money and housing to immigrants (legal and illegal) lets sort it ALL out maybe

    We have a strange setup in the UK, we are forcing adults to work till 70 and want kids to stay on at school and uni till they are 30... that doesnt add up

    Then there are health tourists - getting off a plane at Gatwick and taking a taxi to the nearest hospital for treatment having never paid UK taxes, and we have a neighbour who lived 40 years in Spain but came back cos he was getting older...for the free medical care....

    Lets get back to having N.I. stamps in a card, buy stamps, stick in a book and present the book when you nned car, help or a pension...no book/stamps, no help
     
  14. redroses2106

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    I completely agree with this, no they shouldn't take a job that normally people would be paid to do, but they should be made to either attend a college course, or go and do some volunteer work, most people on jsa will also be getting housing benefit so they should have to volunteer the amount of hours it would take for them to get their benefits in total, it's a fab idea, would soon stop people being on benefits cause it's easy, and if they missed a day off work then they would get that amount of money docked from their "wages" so to speak.
     
  15. alan g a

    alan g a Hello ev'ry body peeps. Stavross 'ere init.

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    JSA is around £90 pw + housing benifit. As for the kind of work? I am not sure. They just suggest Community Services. What ever that is.
     
  16. redroses2106

    redroses2106 PetForums VIP

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    when I was on it I only received £49 pw
     
  17. suewhite

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    Blimey! did'nt know it was £90 well maybe I would say yes as long as they were'nt expected to pay out travelling expenses.I think Community Service would mean working within your own community but cant think what they would be doing without taking work from someone else.:)
     
  18. alan g a

    alan g a Hello ev'ry body peeps. Stavross 'ere init.

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    Having reread my own post, I don't either LOL!. but pease read it again. I have put it right.
     
  19. tillysdream

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    You are wrong there, people on the DOLE/unemployed and able mind/bodied, proper name JSA is only £71 per week for over 25's or £53 per week for under 25's.

    Thus people who are on JSA (used to be called unemployment benefit, for you oldies) are ALWAYS better off in work. :(

    Now people with disabilities, children etc THEY are the ones that get the multiple benefits and extra payments(ESA, INCOME SUPPORT, DLA, CHILD TAX CREDITS, INCAPCITY BENEFIT etc etc. They are the ones very often who find working will not make them very much better off. ;)
     
  20. alan g a

    alan g a Hello ev'ry body peeps. Stavross 'ere init.

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    My figure is for a joint claim. Sorry for the confusion.
     
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