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Discussion in 'Dog Breeding' started by Charleigh91, Jan 12, 2021.


  1. Charleigh91

    Charleigh91 PetForums Newbie

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    Hi there,

    I wondered if there was anyone that could help me,

    I went view a pup and paid a deposit which I got a written receipt for signed and dated by the breeder stating legal ownership of the puppy on the 7th Feb 2021.

    the day after I went to view the pup I text her over a name that me and my family had decided to call the pup as she advised we needed to do this so she could let the vet know for when the pup has it’s vaccinations etc, the reply I got was that if I wanted to take the dog early I could however I would need to transfer her an extra £150 so she could go and get the vaccinations done that day for the dog and I could collect in 2 days after as she had already started weaning the dog onto puppy food, My reply back to that was my concerns in regards to the pup leaving it’s mum at only four weeks of age but she insisted that the vet consented and this would be okay. Two days later I headed down to pick the puppy up and I was refused the pup and told that it would not be ready until the 7th of February the date stated on the receipt, confused and upset feeling like I’ve been scammed I headed home. A week later I received a text message from the breeder stating that she had gone ahead with another buyer for the pup because she needed instant money to fix her conservatory roof, I was also told that I would not be receiving the £300 deposit as that was non-refundable even though it wasn’t me that decided not to go ahead with the sale it was her and the extra money that I transferred for the vaccinations she was also not gonna refund. I’ve tried contacting citizens advice but they didn’t really have much to say on the matter as of yet what I wanted to know is there anyone that knows what would be my legal rights as from the 7th of February? would that then be classed as theft as I have already bought the dog and what could happen with my money that she’s refusing to refund if she doesn’t handover the dog, if I was to turn up on the 7th of February and was refused the pup Is there anything that the police could do in terms of removing the pup and handing it over would this be classed as theft as I legally own pup in because I have already bought it I really need some help
     
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    Lurcherlad PetForums VIP

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    Threaten her with the Small Claims Court or contact Trevor Cooper at Dog Law for advice.

    If you have texts showing what was agreed and paid etc. she doesn’t have a leg to stand on I would have thought.

    Once it’s sorted, I’d also report her to the local Trading Standards and the Tax Man.

    By the way puppies should never leave their mums until 8 weeks minimum.
     
  3. Rafa

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    Well, it sounds as though you have had a lucky escape, in that any breeder who will sell an unweaned, four week old pup is highly irresponsible and unscrupulous. I certainly would not trust her an inch.

    So far as the money you've already paid, I believe you should be refunded. Take professional advice.
     
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    Are you sure the person you are texting is the same person?

    When you turned up, did the breeder have any idea what you were on about?
     
  5. Charleigh91

    Charleigh91 PetForums Newbie

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    Hi, thanks for your reply’s, she did know that I was coming because we had agreed on a day and a time and then when i turn’t up she refused to hand over the pup, I expressed my concerns to her before hand about the pup being away from his mum to soon but she was definite in her decision about the pup leaving that day, I have since spoken to her through text message and told her that I will be taking her to court regarding this however I just wanted to know if anyone knew if the police could help me and would this then become theft on the 7th February as stated on the receipt that I take legal ownership as of that date x
     
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    I wouldn't think you have legal ownership if you have only paid a deposit? Sorry can't help with this but that stood out to me.
     
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  7. Charleigh91

    Charleigh91 PetForums Newbie

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    In total I have now paid for the pup, the deposit plus the extra I had transferred her 2 days prior to driving 2 hours to pick the pup up
     
  8. Rafa

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    You do not legally own this pup. The Breeder does.

    The issue really is whether she is entitled to retain the money you have paid and I don't believe she is.

    Unfortunately, she can sell the pup to whom she likes.
     
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    I would focus on getting your deposit back and forget the idea of having this pup as the breeder is unethical and you could find yourself losing far more money on vets bills for this pup, as well as a lot of heartache.

    I would think you would be best going through a small claims court for the money and then find a decent, ethical breeder. What breed is the puppy?
     
  10. Charleigh91

    Charleigh91 PetForums Newbie

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    Thank you all, the breed of the pup is a Yorkshire terrier, the pup was for my son his 4 and is autistic, I had a Yorkshire terrier for 14 years but she sadly passed away at the beginning of last year from cancer and my son absolutely loved her, they never left each others side, she even slept with him every night, me and husband had finally decided to get another one and this is what we’ve had to go through which is why it’s so upsetting, we took my son with us to view the pups and we let the pup come to him and the pup did, you could the instant connection between the 2 it was so lovely to see.

    we have paid for the pup in full, the deposit plus the additional transaction.

    I will look into taking the breeder to a small claims court, I should of known to trust my gut instinct when I 1st met her as she looked like a crackhead and the house was disgusting and dirty but seeing my son with the pup took over my emotions and I thought it would be unfair for me to judge based on my thoughts of her and her house.

    I can’t afford to buy another pup, it’s just really sad
     
  11. Sairy

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    I am sorry to hear this. It really isn't advisable to take children along when you first go to see a litter of puppies for this very reason. It is hard enough as an adult to walk away from a litter of puppies where the breeding isn't right, but adding children into the equation makes it a lot tougher.

    If I were you I would explain what has happened to your son in the most appropriate way you can given his age, and start saving for another pup. You may need to reconsider your finances though as the price of the purchase of the pup is usually a drop in the ocean compared to the expenses once you have it.

    The other thing you should consider is that it is really important that you find a pup with the right temperament for your family. Just because your son got on well with your previous Yorkshire terrier does not mean that the next one will be the same. It is so important that you go to a breeder who has really taken the time to breed dogs with a good temperament, and taken the time to socialise the puppies properly.

    I wish you luck and please stick around and keep us updated on what happens.
     
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    Charleigh91 PetForums Newbie

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    Thank you, I know I just thought at the time it was the right thing to do, now I know it was the complete opposite.

    thank you for all your advise and taking the time out to reply to my post, I will keep you all updated x
     
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    The link below is to the Champdogs website which is one of the better places to look for a puppy as they are more particular that the parents of the puppies have the relevant health tests for the breed. If you look at the bottom of the page you will see the average price of a puppy for each year. Mostly prices rise due to inflation, but this last year with the pandemic have seem prices rocket as people try to make money by breeding their pets without a care as to whether they are healthy and have good temperaments.
    On the link you will be able to click on ‘puppies’ to see if there are any available now or if you see yourself being able to afford a puppy in the future, contact breeders you like the sound of, explain about yourself and circumstances and ask whether they will be planning to have a litter of puppies in the future and could you be added to the waiting list

    https://www.champdogs.co.uk/breeds/yorkshire-terrier

    Good luck
     
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  14. Nonnie

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    Isnt it illegal to sell under age puppies and pups not microchipped?
     
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    I believe it is, yes.
     
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    You could go to the small claims court the police will I'm sure say it is a civil matter. The only thing I would say though is at the moment the courts are way behind on cases a friend of mine has been waiting for a case to go through the small claims court since May last year and still has no court date. Saying that the paperwork didn't take long to be sent through and in your case just the threat of the courts could make her settle out of court and return your money. I believe the reason my friends case is taking so long is because it is actually going to court and because of the restrictions at the moment we are still waiting.
     
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  17. Charleigh91

    Charleigh91 PetForums Newbie

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    Thank you everyone, the pup vacationed and microchip to my acknowledgment but who knows it could just be another lie and yes it is illegal to sell under aged pups.

    I will have a browse at that link, thank you for posting that.

    I have already threatened her with court and trading standards and everything else I possibly could but have had no response.

    thank you everyone
     
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