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Royal cannin or james wellbeloved?

Discussion in 'Dog Health and Nutrition' started by catellkai, Aug 1, 2009.


  1. catellkai

    catellkai PetForums Junior

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    I am currently after some advice on these foods.My puppy is being fed the royal canin, and has been on this since we brought her home.I have been given some leaflets on the sister company james wellbeloved, i was shocked at the weight to grams per day differnce in the foodsAt the moment she is getting just short of 290 grams per day, she is always hungry and i personally feel that it may be effecting her behavior.Is this possible?
    Does any have any opinons on these foods as i am thinkng of changing?
     
  2. karen09

    karen09 PetForums Member

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    i feed my dog on james wellbeloved and wouldnt change it as his mam hasnt had any problems on it and she is a westie too. they are prone to skin infections.
     
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    pommum PetForums Senior

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    I feed RC and also work for them, my dogs love the stuff and none h=of them have either put to much weight on or dropped weight. James Welbeloved is also a great quality food so I guess a hard decision to make. What breed of dog have you got? and how old is she?

    take care
    Sarah
     
  4. catellkai

    catellkai PetForums Junior

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    Hi thanks for your replies.My pup jess is 13 weeks old, she is very big solid puppy, she is an english bull terrier. When i read the difference in amount of grams per day it was a big differnce nearly 300 grams.I am trying to find out if the difference will effect her growth at all?
    Thanks
     
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    I've recently changed Cheeko onto JWB and seen a huge change in him. The only thing now is he is begining to look for more food at night time. My puppy that I'm getting on Friday is on Royal Cannin but once the bag of that runs out he'll be going into JWB aswell. I hope he likes it because I've got a huge bag of it :D
     
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    what breed is she? Both are good foods but I think 290g is quite a lot, she seems quite small in your pic but I cant make her out :)
    My spaniel fully grown has only ever been on a max of 220g id say.... and he holds his weight at 21/22kg ;)
     
  7. catellkai

    catellkai PetForums Junior

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    she is an english bull terrier, she is larger than most pups her age. She only havin three meals a day as she just wouldnt entertain the last meal.If you look at the 290g split in three there is not much there.The jwb recommends 480g per day.When i first put her on the rc her growth was amazing she put on 2.3kg in two weeks.I was just concerned that for her continue growth she should have a high food intake to assist with this.What had your other dog been eating before?
    I have noticed the jwb do a good choose in flavours as the rc is just one type.
    My gallery pics may be bigger,it was hard getting her to stand for a good pic.
     
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    james1 PetForums VIP

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    How much are they supposed to weigh as adults? I wouldnt say shes a large breed but feeding her 400g + is large breed territory. There are Bull owners on here that will be able to tell you more.
    Ive only ever used JWB out of the two feeding just shy of 200g a day fully grown and he was healthy and full of energy:)
     
  9. catellkai

    catellkai PetForums Junior

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    the correct weigh to feed them is by guessing the adult doge weight, my male english weights just over 30kg, i only know this cause he has recently been to the vets for his boosters.so then you look for you age then follow across till you will get to the correct weight then i will tell you how many grams per day it should be eating. its so hard years ok we weighed it out now your calculating the dogs adult weight.What puppy are you getting this week?
     
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    My springer is on 200gms a day of burns and he weighs a very healthy 21.7 is slim, no ribs showing but can easily be felt. He is 9 years old.
     
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    My pup has been on royal canin but she had some James Wellbeloved before that and I have just given her more. I am afraid I have never looked at suggested amounts, I go by eye. There is a limit to what will eat and she is holding a slim weight so I would feed her more if she would eat it. Funnily enough I decided to measure it out and what I give her is exactly the recommended amount! If the dog is porky cut it down and if slim and hungry then up it.
     
  12. catellkai

    catellkai PetForums Junior

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    i think when trying to follow instructions on how to feed i think every dog will be different.My male dog weight fluctuates, i noticed the other day is ribs were very visible, we had changed him from the rc and it was doing nothing at all for him.i hate my male dog looking like this, but i am monitering him and adjusting to suite needs.
    rc is not suitable for him,he is too picky, gets bored after 3 nights of the same taste, and was a food even though is supposed to be good for you cause its expensive,means nothing to your dog.My mum breed spaniels when we were growing up,they were wonderful dogs, but i found they were extreamley fussy at eating.My mum dog got so fussy just before she died she would only eat fresh chicken,and she always got it no mattr what.
     
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    catellkai PetForums Junior

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    Years ok you would feed the dog by sight, it was feed the same everynight.Now everything has got to be correct it seems silly to me, what if the dog is not abig eater then what do they do.
     
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    We too have a puppy (he is now 4 and a half months old Bouvier Des Flandres (a large dog when he's older) and I have tried both Royal Canin AND James Well Beloved. Both were good foods, and sold around the same price, but after putting our pup back on Royal Canin once we had tried James Well Beloved, here's my review:

    Royal Canin:
    Good points -
    They have life stage and dog size specific foods (e.g. small, regular, large (which they call Maxi) and Giant size dogs - each having it's own stage such as Giant Baby, Giant Puppy, Giant Junior and Giant Adult) as well as breed specific foods in some instances, e.g. German Sheperd, BullDog, King Charles Spaniel etc. I think this is good because it (presumably) means that the nutritional needs of your specific dog are being met and looked after.
    Different kibble sizes depending on your dog's needs - ours is quite a large kibble so it is easily picked up and cleaned when dropped on the floor.
    A much stronger smell than James Well Beloved, which our puppy finds more alluring.
    We don't need to feed as much - this is good because our dog doesn't like to eat very much in one sitting. 450g daily of RC vs. 650g daily of JWB.
    Poos are more solid on RC.

    Bad points
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    Only one flavour available for each specific need. This means that (at least with our dog) we tend to give him other stuff too to vary the taste, e.g. raw mince, grated cheese, sardines etc. alongside the kibble. However, I suppose (whilst writing this) that you could always use another food such as JWB and make different blends half and half for mealtimes (e.g. half JWB Ocean Fish and half RC) if you want to maintain a completely dry diet.

    James Well Beloved

    Good Points
    3 different flavours for variation - Ocean Fish, Turkey and Rice, and Lamb and Rice. This means you can alter the food flavours daily (although our pup detested the lamb flavour).
    Bad points
    Only one generic puppy size (when most other brands such as Purina and RC cater for puppy regular and puppy large)
    Much smaller kibble size - if your puppy has a habit of picking it out of the bowl, you will find pieces of it everywhere
    Softer, runnier poos - Our pup's poos were very soft whilst on JWB and smelled terribly; not easy to poop scoop in the park.


    As a side note, the whole large breed puppy thing etc. could also be simply a marketing gimmick. I gave it a lot of thought - the fact that well before JWB and RC even existed, the breeds of dogs we own still grew to their full size and were happy, healthy animals.
    But then again, here in the UK, just 30 years ago we used to eat an evening meal consisting of chips fried in lard or dripping and seasoned with lots of salt and vinegar, which we then placed into slices of white bread smothered in butter and finished off with a few fried fishcakes or sausages on the side for variation from day to day. Eating healthily meant your mum opening a tin of mixed veg and serving it with your Sunday dinner, or adding a tin of red kidney beans to a frying pan of mince along with some powder from a packet to produce chilli-con-carne!
    Would we say that we should now abandon our organic fruits, salads, ciabattas, olive oils and free range meats based on the 'fact' they were not needed 30 years ago? I'm not so sure.
     
  15. catellkai

    catellkai PetForums Junior

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    Thank you for your reply, the jwb is i think very healthy ie plenty of veg,they are good for dogs that are hypo allergenic, which is what my male is, i think it either the gluten or wheat gluten that his body cant handle,hence the worst case ever.Which cant be nice for him but certaintley is the last thing you needed, with him being a dog who gets bored very easily the wider range is good, saves me wasting food.The royal canin is a good food,when we changed our puppy onto it the growth we saw in her was just unbelievable,i am finding it doesnt fill her and and by giving her more might not seeming that we could be harming them but when she gets older and is obese it will be too late to change anything.
    Rc i believe have researched there dog food well beyond any other manufacturers and there range is complicating to begin with but they do caterer for all dogs.Years ago dog owners feed there dog to there own needs,so not having to think about the amount and weights is peace of mind,but i am finding the amount of grams mine is allowed is really bordering on neglect.They want her to eat 290grams per day when split this portion into three there is nothing there at all,this under feeding is just what we dont need, they will more than likely start stealing food from the kids or even off you, and there is the unessary aggression, that always ruins homes.
    Any way thanks for your input i have found it very useful and will now decide whats best,no point discussing it with the vets as they will just say follow mauufacturers instructions.But thanks it nice for someone to be thinking the same as me.
     
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    i got hold of a dog food grading tool and james well beloved came in very high, more than royal canin but not as high as arden grange
     
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    catellkai PetForums Junior

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    i was just thinking also do they dont certain breeds need differently amounts of produce rather than ever dogs dna being the same.I can imagine the jwb being better as there is a very good selection of food plus they are catering for the hypo algenic too which is quite a large selection.
     
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    Beams 11 now and having some real probs - specialists cant figure it out so hes gone down to about 140 over 2 meals, still holding his weight though... literally 4 mins and then hes had enough
     
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    When my Labrador Bailey was younger we fed him on Royal Canin, you should see him now, he's so fit and healthy for a labrador, especially as a lot of Labradors can become overweight.
    x
     
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