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Discussion in 'Cat Health and Nutrition' started by carmelauk, Apr 5, 2011.


  1. carmelauk

    carmelauk PetForums Junior

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    My oldest cat of 15 has had a thyroid problem and kidney problem since the age of 9 and has took tablets daily for this and she i fine and doing fine. My problem is she has started to show signs of rheumatism/arthritis.

    First time was a month ago and the vet put her on a small dose of metacam (I wasn't sure if she had banged her leg or it was rheumatism/arthritis) and I was told to keep her in for a week which I did and she became completely better again.

    Until a few days ago and she has started walking to the side again and seems stiff always after napping. I decided to look for supplements on the net and then was alarmed when I kept seeing that metcam was harmful, though she has had it several times in her life and has always been perfectly fine. I asked my vet about it and she said any medication with my cat is a risk because of her kidney problems but metacam in a small dose 2.5ml is fine and will take her pain away. She said there is no other alternative.

    So here are my questions:

    Are there alternative medication I can give her?

    How many types of rheumatism/arthritis are there and how would they go about diagnosing that?

    Is there any natural supplemnets which would help her?
    Thanks in advance. :)
     
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  2. Pippinpie

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    Hi there

    I understand that there isn't a safe pain relief for cats, especially ones with kidney problems, but there are supplements you can give. My own cat was on Metacam for 3 months and it gave him sickness and a problem with his pancreas. He was on it to manage his arthritis. He has now been taken off of the metacam and I use Denes green mussel and glucosamine powder added to his wet food and he has a small amount of Royal canin feline mobility dry food each day. He also has 1 salmon oil capsule a week. The supplements take a little while to take affect but he is still able to jump and doesn't appear to be in any pain. He stretches quite a lot as his joints get stiff when he has been asleep for a while but over all I'm very pleased with the supplements. My vet has said he can't have metacam and that this is the best way to manage his condition. I'd definately give this a try or talk to your vet about it. My vet spoke to a feline specialist and she recommended the royal canin, I picked up the other supplements from other people on this site.
     
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    Yes I agree with the above. I use Vitamin c as sodium ascorbate, fish oil and glucosamine for my Nellie. She also loves her Flectabed. The GLM made her barf, but that is probably just her!
     
  4. carmelauk

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    Thanks ever so much! Can you get Denes green mussel and glucosamine in liquid form, as she has a dry specific diet because of her kidneys and it would be helpful just to put a drop into her mouth perhaps or onto her dry food?
     
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    How are her kidney values now? Not sure exactly what the problem was ( normal CRF ) or something more acute. She had bloodwork run before being prescribed the metacam?

    Considering the kidney problem I'm surprised your vet has endorsed the metacam-most don't in these circumstances. I realise the dose is small but nevertheless I think you're wise to look to alternatives-personally I wouldn't take the risk. In fact I don't permt allow it for any of my cats at all none of whom ( touch wood! ) have any renal problems at all!

    Some people have had good results with homeopathic remedies and also acupuncture though it largely depends on the cat.

    Good luck with finding a good medication.
     
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    Flectabed Thermal Bedding - now with 20% off-Hyperdrug
    I really would recommend Flectabed, especially as you say she looks stiff after snoozes. I have 2 and the cats fight over them, may have to invest in a couple more in fact!
    I do think it is a balancing act.....after reading about Metacam I do not feel that it is something I want Nellie to be on...but if she had not improved substantially on her supplemements then I would have re-considered as I believe quality of life is important and I would not want her to be in constant pain.
    Someone else did post here once about an injectable form of glucosamine which they gave a good report of...
     
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    Sorry hadn't seen your last response when I replied earlier!

    Which renal diet is she on? In view of kidney problems with the consequent need to keep the them well hydrated it would be better if she were on a wet diet. In fact in some instances dry diets can exascerbate the problem and in others have been implicated in causing it. There are wet versions of renal available but perhaps you've tried these already and she didn't like them.

    You could even switch her back on the normal food she likes and add phosphorous binders if necessary.
     
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    I'm not aware that they do a liquid formula of the Denes but you could google it and check. Or you could mix the powder with a small amount of wet food just to get the dose into her - either a wet renal food or a little bit of tuna, sardine, moist chicken or something she likes. Sometimes mixing with the spring water from a tin of tuna works too.
     
  9. carmelauk

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    Her bloods are fine we have her checked every few weeks. :) I will look into the homeopathic treatments.

    She has been on the prescription diet of K/D feline cat biscuits for the past 6 years. I will give her some wet food if need be to administer the powder.
     
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    ooh 20% off too! thanks. :)

    Thanks I will probably have to give her a small treat like you suggested to give her the powder.
     
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    The injections are called Cartrophen I think....have mainly seen them mentioned in the dog forums but don't see why they would not suit a cat also.
     
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    Oh yes, I forgot that my cat has cartrophen injections too. For cats it's a cause of 4 injections over 4 weeks, and then a booster every now and again. He had his course in October I think and had a booster at one of his checks in February. I think the booster may be every 3 to 6 months depending on how the cats getting on. I did see an improvement after the course.
     
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    Thanks for the advice everyone! :)

    I'm kind of worried about her, she has been totally fine allday walking around and running, she went to sleep on the bed, I go upstaires an hour later and she can hardly walk on her back legs. It's weird, she goes from being fine then being nearly completely lame.

    Does this happen with you cats who have arthritis?
     
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    You mention she was fine on the metacam but was this always the case?

    The reason I ask is that back leg weakness is also a symptom of others things such as anaemia ( she does appear to have very frequent bloodwork which can make some cats anaemic ) high phosphorous and low potassium which CRF cats can suffer from.

    Were all these within normal ranges last time? Also since she's CRF how high were urea and creatinine?

    It would be advisable to rule out these as well!
     
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    There could also be some spinal/nerve compression issues going on as this does not sound like simple arthritis to me.
     
  16. carmelauk

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    It seems you may have been right, lastnight her back right leg went completely lame, it came out of the blue, she has had a slight limp the past few months but just thought it was the rheumatism. It's my fault I should of been paying better attention to her and I will never forgive myself. But most of my attention has been going on Jess (some of you will know my 6 year old cat Jess has cancer and has not got to long.)

    So I took her to the vets today and they said it could be a few things - a stroke, which we ruled out, a possible abscess on her spine, or just nerve damage. They gave her a strong pain killer injection and said to give her complete rest for 48 hrs and see how she is after that, if no better than probably have to be put to sleep. She can barely stand, she soiled herself lastnight, when she manages to get up upon the leg her front bit of the foot is bent under and she has to re-adjust it, there is hardly any response in her leg at all. :(

    My heart is breaking, it is like being told your child is going to die, I have loved and protected her for 15 years, we are so close, it is killing me.

    I was wondering if any of you have heard of cases similar to this before and any ideas if maybe something else is causing it. She is insured so we can do some tests but I am not going to put her through silly surgical operations if all it is going to do is make her suffer anyway.
     
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    Hi Carmelauk!

    How is she now? I realise she's supposed to be resting but has there been any improvement since yesterday?

    Without any X-Rays or other diagnostic (not necessarily invasive) tests, I think PTS is a bit excessive considering the symptoms and the lack of any definitive diagnosis. So please put that to the back of your mind for now! It could well turn out to be something very treatable but you'll only know if you have an X-ray for instance. That would be my next step.

    Yes, it was Jess I was enquiring about in my other post!
     
  18. carmelauk

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    Well it was late lastnight, only took her to the vets around 10am this morning around 5hrs ago. She has manged to go to the litter try and use it, I just went to feed her but I had to hold the water and food bowl for her because she can not sit up right. The back right leg is just dead, sticks out flat and long, no strength in it at all. I enquired about an x-ray but they said they would not really be able to tell much from it. You think I should insist on one anyway?

    As for Jess, she is ok, she is sick a couple of times a day now everyday, quite often she seems a little low and her tail wags prior to the couple of hrs before she is sick. Then seems right as rain for another few hrs after she is sick. That is pretty much how it goes every day. Sleeps a lot more than she used too, but still a very good weight, her coat is very shiney still.
     
  19. Ianthi

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    When you phrase it like this it makes me think of a possible blood clot ie saddle thrombosis. Is it cold when touched? If it is cold I would get straight back to the vets and tell them. Then can prescribe blood thinners if necessary.
    Sorry don't wish to alarm you but just alert you to this as this is treatable if acted on fairly promptly.

    Yes, I would request an X-ray. No never know what it might reveal and no harm done if nothing shows up.
     
  20. carmelauk

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    Ok I have felt her leg and it feels no colder than her front two legs so I think maybe it's ok on the thrombosis front. I am going to see how she goes tonight and then think about taking her tomorrow for the x-ray, is there any other tests we should be doing? Any specific blood tests I should be asking for?

    I just tried to get a picture of her leg but didn't want to stress her out trying to make her sit up, you can see in the 2nd photo how it is flat and longated when she trys and stands up. She can not move it at all.
    Excuse my messy floor. :eek:
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